Uganda
Jews were offered a Homeland in Uganda. It would have been preferable to their current situation of unceasing warfare with their neighbors.
shareJews were offered a Homeland in Uganda. It would have been preferable to their current situation of unceasing warfare with their neighbors.
shareWhen was that again?
Check out something called "Operation Thunderbolt" at the Ugandan airport of Entebbe in '76.
The Ugandan government of Idi Amin supported the PFLP at the time and sent troops to prevent the Israeli commandos from freeing the 106 hostages whose plane had been hijacked (spoiler: they didn't succeed, and most of the hostages were freed...)
Yes I know about that operation. This offer was long before Uganda even became a nation, in the 1920’s. They were offered a part of the country as a future Israel. I think they should have taken it and they Would have been better off for it today.
shareIsrael has the best cotton in the world. Uganda just has coffee.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=israel+cotton&docid=607986847448571401&mid=1492D50C40185F6F1FDB1492D50C40185F6F1FDB&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
But they’d be at peace now. Uganda has rich soil, Israel is dry and chalky.
shareOh, and can you imagine how well it would be going over when there is this successful, wealthy non-black country in the middle of Africa with poor black Africans all around? Yeah, Wouldn't fly. And there is a reason Jews congregated to Israel. It wasn't like it was a random location.
shareWhy would that be a problem? Are you suggesting that Africans can’t build a wealthy nation?
How do you explain this in the middle of Africa:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qVEcvdclrqo
If it's so wonderful, why don't the Palestinians go there?
shareThey were already in Palestine when Jews were in Europe and the British pitched the Uganda scenario to the latter.
shareThe Jews were there before the Palestinians. They were unwillingly exiled but even so, not all left.
shareThen a two state solution is the solution
shareI agree. Unfortunately most Jews AND Palestinians oppose it.
Then both sides deserve this perpetual hell
shareBy the looks of it, that's exactly what they'll get..
shareTrue, they made their beds
shareIt's not like the middle east has been at war for millennia, lol.
shareHence why Uganda would have been the more peaceful option
shareI agree. The Palestinians should have gone there.
shareIt was the Jews who were looking for a place to live after the pogroms became too much. Why would the Palestinians evict themselves?
shareThere are plenty of Arab nations where they could live in peace. The Jews have their own land where they have been for thousands of years.
Here's some interesting reading:
https://www.thebereancall.org/content/seven-reasons-jews-have-sole-claim-israel
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Scheme
Even Theodore Herzl the founder of modern day Zionism endorsed the idea.
Honestly, I wish the U.S. would have offered and the Jews would have accepted a few thousand square miles somewhere in the midwest back in the early 20th century. Middle East policy today would be just to turn the whole area into glass.
They wanted that specific land for very specific reasons.
We're just gonna have to sit back and watch them kill each other. Eventually, there'll be a winner (probably the Arabs at which point (ironically) the area will turn into a shit hole that they won't even want).
Idk Israel has nuclear weapons
shareOnly as strategic weapons if they ever use them they'll internationally trigger a "Let's Go ! Nuclear" global warfare situation which is still avoided since WWII.
That will completely backfire on them especially if global powers decide that Israel is a nuclear happy country and should be disarmed immediately in case they decide to make more enemies besides the Arabs in the future.
Hence why they’re deterrents.
shareTo understand this situation you really have to know something about biblical prophecy. The Jews are exactly where they're supposed to be.
shareSays who? Their own scripture? I don’t understand the American evangelical obsession with Jews and Israel. They rejected Christ. Why do American Christians simp so hard for a foreign religion that rejected their God and egged on the Romans to crucify their messiah?
shareAmerican Evangelicals are to Christianity as Fundamentalist Muslims are to Islam. Both abhor homosexuality, liberal and open-minded acceptance of non-religious people who don't share their faith and a society molded after their interpretation of biblical scripture.
Israel's government and supporters know this and play to it to secure their share of Foreign Aid every time a "loan" is needed.
We don't "abhor open-minded acceptance of non-religious people who don't share our faith." I can tell you that I was raised Christian but left the faith for 20 years to pursue agnosticism and New Age ideas. I eventually returned to Christianity.
I consider myself an evangelical. I get why people don't believe it though. I've seen it from both perspectives.
No one I know who is a Christian thinks that non-Christians should be persecuted in any way. It's just that we think that Christianity is true, and that it is in each person's best interest to follow Jesus, and we say so.
I have Born-Again cousins. They ex-communicated me because I never accepted Jesus Christ into my heart. They also believe that non-Jewish Arabs and even Christians in Israel should leave so that their god can set up the final days when Jesus returns and places his final judgment. They also say that I'm condemned to Hell because I'm okay with Gay marriage, open marriage, and sex outside of marriage.
Your brand of evangelical may not push this but there are many in the US who do and have influence AND support AIPAC.
It's possible that your cousins are just assholes.
As I told you I left Christianity for about 20 years. No one "ex-communicated me." Largely it wasn't discussed at all, but when it was, I was gently encouraged to move back toward Jesus. Eventually I did, but it took a very long time.
Hell's a tough topic, and it's one I've spent a long time thinking about. Ultimately it comes down to whether or not a person has chosen to align themselves with God or not. If one has, God will bring them into his kingdom. If that person has not made such a choice, and therefore aligned themselves against God, then he will respect that choice and allow them to remain outside the kingdom. It's just that those who find themselves outside the kingdom may find that it sucks.
It's ironic we're having this conversation because just the other day I ran into a quote from a theologian named J.I. Packer and it struck me with enough force that I wrote it down: "Scripture sees hell as self-chosen. Hell appears as God's gesture of respect for human choice. All receive what they actually choose, either being with God forever, worshipping Him, or without God forever, worshipping themselves."
So the question every person has to ask themselves is this: Do I want to be in union with God and his plan and purposes or do I want to ignore Him and do my own thing?
As for non-Jewish Arabs and Christians in Israel leaving the region so that God can kick off Armageddon, I'm not sure where they get the idea that they have any sort of power over that, or that anyone leaving or staying will influence God's timetable.
My sentiments exactly
shareI'm not sure I'd call it an obsession, but they're certainly is an interest. You say "their own scripture." But remember that Christians fully accept the Hebrew scriptures. It's just that we also accept the New Testament as well.
The question is this: Does God have a plan involving Israel?
Israel was sent into exile over 2,000 years ago, but it was written that one day they would brought back into their God-given homeland and reconstituted as a nation. Extant writings from over a thousand years ago predicted an event which finally happened in 1948.
You have to decide if this was a purely natural occurrence or if there was more to it than that. Christians believe there was more to it. If that's accurate, it doesn't matter how I feel about it or how you feel about it. It simply is what it is.
I'll go ahead and say this as well: Israel will never be overcome by any efforts to destroy them or eject them from the land that they now possess. You will not see this happen between now and the day that you die. It's just not an event that will occur.
Because of worldly reasons, namely nuclear weapons.
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