So unfair and really a sign of our times for her to lose business for tweeting out something that is pure fact (scientific or otherwise). Trans-women are women in their mind and soul - BUT - they are not biologically women, nor will they ever be (even post-op). But that doesn't mean they cannot live their lives as women.
shareAnd she perfectly stated her reasoning. I think she should be commended.
shareRegardless of your viewpoint on this subject, i.e. JK Rowling saying trans-women are not women, don't forget she also said this re Scottish identity:-
"...when people try to make this debate about the purity of your lineage, things start getting a little Death Eaterish for my taste."
Let's also remember:-
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They're not really women either. Studies done on brains indicate that there are differences between brains of XX and XY humans, regardless of identity. I'm sure there are some who can transition and live relatively normal lives as a different gender than their physiology dictates, but considering the abnormally high percentage of suicides of transgenders, I'd say this is far from ideal.
Rowling raised several good points worthy of discussion, not cancellation. The intolerance of the alphabet genders is astounding.
Then I'm curious what you must think of intersex people? I have a friend who was born intersex - At times she referred to her medical condition as Swyer syndrome, then other times AIS (androgen insensitivity syndrome), maybe they're the same thing... I dunno. She is a female and has always lived as a female despite having XY male chromosomes, she can't get pregnant and has always taken female hormones.
One thing is I'm always surprised she has been as open about herself on Facebook and elsewhere because she did have a 'Christian' lady who blocked and unfriended her on Facebook, once she learned her history, and this lady said she was really gay (my friend was married 3 times to men, so I'm guessing that's where that comes from) and she hated gays. As my friend replied: "Maybe this woman was simply jealous knowing she had no chance, sexually, with her." Wouldn't surprise me, LOL
Okay, and you did say there is only male and female XX and XY, because usually people like yourself start to back peddle when intersex people are thrown into the mix. And I don't care if there are only 10 people on the planet that are intersex, they do exist, everything isn't exactly XX and XY male or female, so you can't say they are such a small number that they don't count: I'm fairly certain that would be your next move, so I beat you to the punch.
Then I'm curious what you must think of intersex people?
And I don't care if there are only 10 people on the planet that are intersex, they do exist, everything isn't exactly XX and XY male or female, so you can't say they are such a small number that they don't count: I'm fairly certain that would be your next move, so I beat you to the punch.
Disagree, even if there were ten people in the world who were intersex - it is worthy of discussion and intellectual curiosity; scientific research and papers ought to be dedicated to the matter as... as cliche as it sounds, to understand them is to understand ourselves.
They are statistically insignificant to warrent policy changes in our society, though. For example, I work at a leisure/sports centre, and recently the company made structural changes to the building to accomodate for a "gender neutral" changing room. Before the trannies (we only have one or two patrons who are trannies) had to use the disabled changing room. The company made a policy change that it was unacceptable for the trannies to use the diabled change, so they built this "gender neutral" changing room. It hardly ever gets used. It's a waste of space. We don't get enough trannie patrons to warrent its existance. Waste of time and money, really.
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But can’t anyone use the gender neutral changing rooms?
I thought the point was equality, so everyone can use them....or did you mean that only people identifying as gender neutral could use them, which would be a different thing entirely?
This year I went somewhere new and it was the first time I’d experienced a toilet advertised as gender neutral which was a facility anyone could use, so it could have women, men, non-binary or trans-people in it at the same time.
In situations where a restroom gets a relatively small amount of usage, a single occupancy bathroom with a lock is fine. It's when there is a lot of traffic where things get problematic.
I guess in the future, they will have to build three restrooms for public facilities, as wasteful as that is.
My idea is two restrooms: the first for actual women, and the second for anyone else. As a guy, I don't mind using a restroom that some gender undefined/neutral wants to use, but I don't like the idea of a man (genetically) deciding he's a woman or something else that day and using the restroom that my mother, wife, or daughter might be in.
My wife hasn't been to a Target for several years now. I don't know if they changed their policy but Target isn't the only department store near us. My wife will shop where there is a true ladies room.
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The toilet facilities I was talking about were split into two separate rooms but could be used by anyone, one just happened to have urinals included I think I remember from the sign on the door, for anyone wishing to use one (maybe space was limited?); I don’t know if they were in cubical/stalls or not, but I automatically didn’t choose that one because of having an aversion to distinctly male toilets due to the overpowering smell of male urine lol which turns my stomach. Personally I dislike using toilets that males use often, for that reason.
The toilets were not one locked cubicle/facility it was toilets - you went in and there were sinks, hand dryers, standing/waiting/grooming/chatting room and a few cubicles/stalls.
So like I said, anyone and everyone can be in there, altogether.....not a single occupancy room.
You know, I love camping. Tent camping. I love the campfires, reading by lantern, sleeping in a tent, cooking over an open fire, hiking,... What I hate about tent camping is the facilities. I don't understand why men can't avoid hosing down the general area. I tried timing my usage to when the campground did the daily cleaning, but unless you are the first or second one in, the place is disgusting again. When I told my (then) girlfriend (now my wife) that I was thinking about sneaking into the women's bathroom at the campground, she laughed. She told me that women are worse than men! Forgetting how she might know how dirty men's rooms are, that surprised me. I thought a woman's restroom would always be spotless and smell like lavender or spring rain or something. She insists otherwise.
The last time I went camping was like 35 plus years ago. If I ever go camping again, I'll rent a hotel room down the road from the campground so I can s**t, shower, and shave in a clean bathroom.
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Oh! Thank you for making me laugh....
I like camping too....and depending on the site facilities showering and toileting can be a curse or a blessing.
My OH and I have travelled around and sometimes if out rurally but there’s a toilet (like at a beauty spot) he has said for me to use the male toilets if the female one has been locked or out of order (it’s often out of season or something) but I’d rather just go out under the cover of a bush or something (I’m well used to wild camping and going out in nature). He has it easier though in that respect (for number one’s at least) as a man lol.
Even he doesn’t like most male toilets because of the smell, the splashes and sticky floors lol
You know, some females and their toilets are disgusting! The state some cubicles are left in - paper on the floor, tampons packets on the floor, the sanitary waste bin overflowing....yuck.
But I think litter is a world-wide, gender-neutral phenomenon....people can be very lazy and inconsiderate....and sometimes I wonder if children have made the toilet paper mess and potentially the mother hasn’t cleared it up. There’s always the ‘someone else will do it’ attitude or maybe they don’t want to grab le around on the floor of a public toilet to clean up after themselves. It’s a real shame.
Yes, female toilets are disgusting mostly.
I know a lot of women who are grossed out sitting on the toilet in public restrooms so they squat over it and lot of times urine goes on the toilet seats or even floor but they rarely clean after themselves. 🤮
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Ewww yes!
I was told by my mother to squat and never to sit on the seat of a public toilet, I assume due to germ dangers or filth issues etc....but I don’t do that now. I sometimes take ages to find a clean enough cubicle when I’m out and in need, then I may wipe the seat down if needed and sit down properly! I hate it when there’s no loo paper too, and if that’s obvious (or the cubicle that becomes free is in a state) I have been known to wait whilst someone behind me in the queue goes into that cubicle; I often don’t have tissues in my pocket which obviously is a good thing to have in such situations. I can wait! I want to be in a modicum of comfort lol
When I was young I worked as a janitor at three different jobs: in a school, a marine laboratory, and a large grocery store. The women's restrooms in all three facilities were always much more of a mess than the men's restrooms, and took longer to clean.
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Yes, anyone can use them, but that's not the point. They are not needed, and the space could be used for other purposes.
Is your friend 100% female passing? Is there any hint, in her apperance or voice that she's intersex? Was she born with a penis or a vaginal?
What's her Facebook account? I want to see how female passing she is.
Dr House had an episode on Swyer. The testes don't develop, and testosterone makes you male, not the Y chromosome.
Intersex is a bunch of unrelated conditions. The Wikipedia article has percentages. Common ones are small balls and females with body hair.
Very rare: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis
That's the "tolerant" left, for you.
shareThey're just mad because she was telling the truth.
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And even if she wasn't being truthful (I think she's right on this issue), it is at least debatable if nothing else. But the alphabet Mafia doesn't allow any dissenting opinion. Anyone who doesn't go along gets harangued and cancelled if at all possible.
You know, before the internet came about, nobody even knew these groups existed; or if they did nobody paid attention to them at all. I honestly think social media has given them power they should have never had to start with, and now they have morphed into a terrible monster that attacks all dissenters and critics.
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As wonderful as the information age is, it has opened a whole Pandora's Box of crap. Social media is the toilet paper.
I'm afraid you're right :(. Wonderful as it is to be able to communicate with people around the world, and access information easily, the internet has the same hazard all great inventions do: it's a double-edged sword that has improved life for a lot of people, but at the same time has caused unforeseen negative consequences too.
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or do we need dna tests? heh
I think her point is that there is a trans-fascist group that tries to force people into hormones, operations, etc. Even though otherwise they would not consider it. It reminds me of Iran. You may not know this, but homosexuality is a capital offense there, however instead of execution they allow you to have a sex change because for some reason Ayatollah Khomeini believed in it. Therefore many people who are simply gay are forced to have sex changes (see link). Cannot get much sicker than Iran insanity.
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29832690
That's the problem with the "tolerant" left they are completely intolerant of any opinion except their own and will do everything in their power to destroy anyone that dares say anything they don't agree with.
shareThe left are so obsessed with being on the right side of history that they didn't stop to ask... wait, is claiming biology reality doesn't exist the right side of history?
It isn't.
The left will end itself due to this issue.
They're already eating each other. I've heard of in-fighting happening between the different letters of the LGBT's, and it would be very devastating if word got out about it.
shareThey're already eating each other.
It's figurative. I'm saying, the various groups that were originally standing together for one cause, at one point changed their opinions and started attacking each other. I've heard of several types of infighting that happened within the rainbow community, as well as with their allies. I'll list some of the fights I've heard of:
G's vs. L's (I think that's due to jealousy over who gets more attention)
Trans women vs. feminists (they have been labeled TERF's)
white gays vs. brown/black gays (that debate over the flag)
Trans vs. all the others in the Alphabet group
"The left will end itself due to this issue."
I so, so hope that you're right. And the sooner the better.
This will have to be on a person to person basis and will require me being intimate with the “Woman”. If I don’t question my sexuality after busting a nut or three, congratulations, I deem thee a Lady!
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