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Shame that a film with him and Eastwood never happend.


I read that Sergio Leone considered Bronson for the Lee Van Cleef roles in both For a Few Dollars More and The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly but Charlie turned them down. And of course Leone thought of Bronson even before Clint for A Fistful of Dollars. I think Bronson turned it down because he didn't think the script was any good.

I could be wrong but I do remember reading that Charles and Clint did share a few scenes together on an episode of Rawhide.

Bronson and Eastwood were easily the biggest action stars of the 70s, you would think that someone would've tried to get them in a film together. I could've pictured them either as enemies in a Western or playing allies in a cop film. Maybe it didn't happen due to ego.

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Bronson was huge world wide over everyone from the 70s until all these big films like Jaws came out. Problem with Bronson is he wouldnt trust good directors, I love His films because of him but Winner wasnt the best. Books ive read and directors he turned down and films made me gulp. Charlie did try showing he can change with St Ive and From noon til 3 but all people wanted from him was him holding a gun so he did what he got paid millions for and this is why he stayed at cannon studios in.the 80s... Same thing is happening to Stallone and Arnold with lionsgate only Bronson was still loved in the 80s. He turned alot down in the 80s with major studios and Oliver stone said a few times he wrote any given sunday in 84 and asked charlie to.star but he was concerned over olivers cocaine habits...

Anyway to the point, It would of been nice seeing Clint and Charlie in a mid, late 70s early 80s Cop thriller. I always talked of this and Im sure if fans 40 years mention it that scripts was done.

What would you of liked ?

Personally Id like hybrid film of some kind, hitech conspiracy cop thriller.

Also Burt and a lively Bronson from Breakout 1975 would be a riot too.

Charlie was very funny and a great actor when he was allowed but he knew whatbhe had to do to get the big mill. You see him in 50s films, like Crimewave. He is Build like a damn monster, much like Stallones body but bigger. And he does really show up everyone on screen with his presence, body and acting.

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I still can't believe he turned down Sam Peckinpah.

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Agreed
Clint and Charlie would have been an interesting combination
The 60s and 70s movie experience would have been seriously lacking without those two

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Could have been a Dirty Harry/ Death Wish crossover. Harry is investigating a series of vigilante murders. In the future if their likenesses are sold, it could happen, with CG?

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It's not the same.

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He would have been great for the William Smith charater in Every Wich Way You Can. Now that would have been a figth to have seen.

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You are correct, jsl_99. Bronson and Eastwood were in the 1965 Rawhide episode Duel at Daybreak. They had only one brief scene together.

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Interesting...I read somewhere that when Sergio Leone was casting for "Once Upon A Time In The West", he approached Clint to do it, and Clint said no. So Leone cast Bronson.

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it worked out for the best, I think

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Pairing them off in the Western would have been a failure as Clint and Charles would probably squabble over their characters created by the writer/director and the end result would have been less than desirable. They were both too old to be united in a movie like DeNiro and Pacino in Heat, so even someone like Michael Mann wouldn't have had a shot.

I think the a crime movie where both are playing L.E. from different agencies tracking the same man would have been interesting. Like Bronson playing an FBI and Clint playing Callahan who doesn't have the blessing of his department so he goes rogue in pursuit of the same criminal.

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Good post, agreed

That would have been a hell of a movie

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I still can't believe he turned down Sam Peckinpah.

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Bronson's reason given was brutally simple: "I won't work with a drunk."

The offer seems to have been made to Bronson after Peckinpah was photographed as a joke being given whiskey through an IV on the set of "Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid" -- which Peckinpah DID direct in many scenes while drunk.

The drinking -- and eventually cocaine(as promoted to Peckinpah by star James Caan on the set of "The Killer Elite" in 1975) eventually DID make Peckinpah virtually unemployable . He managed to get a final movie in the 80's called "The Osterman Weekend" in 1983, and then died in 1984 at age 59 of heart failure. His final "work" was a Julian Lennon music video!

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I never associated Pekinpah with illicit drugs. He had a reputation for being a top tier alcoholic and quite difficult to deal with but I didn’t know about the coke bit.

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One of the biographies on Peckinpah notes that while he was a longtime alcoholic, once James Caan came on as the star of The Killer Elite, the weak-willed Peckinpah suddenly had an ample supply of cocaine available and being used on the set by Caan and his entire entourage.

The cocaine habit pretty much wrecked Caan's star career in the mid-eighties -- once he rehabbed, he told producers "I will pee in a cup for you" to get roles --- but at least Caan survived and turned things around (he got the lead in 1990's Misery after every hotter male star in Hollywood turned it down, and made his "pee cup" speech to director Rob Reiner.)

Evidently, Peckinpah did not survive and turn things around. Booze and drugs brought him down...a heart attack at age 59. Though that story has a frustrating angle: Peckinpah MIGHT have survived the attack, but got medical attention too late. The heart attack began in Mexico; he flew back to Los Angeles for hospitalization and died HOURS later.

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Yeah, 59 is far too young to jump off the planet.

A sad end to an OG moviemaker.

The booze and a bit of weed are enough fun for anybody but that heavy stuff is best avoided.

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The booze and a bit of weed are enough fun for anybody but that heavy stuff is best avoided.

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Yes, the issue here is not to "indict" anybody and everybody who have enjoyed booze, weed and perhaps other drugs(legality and addiction enter in, there) but to note that for a number of famous artists, these items were over-used to the point where 10 to 20 years of additional life were probably stolen away. Not to mention, somewhere around Straw Dogs, Peckinaph started directing his movies his movies drunk or drugged about half of each working day(He was hospitalized for booze on Straw Dogs and Dustin Hoffman threatened him with firing if he didn't sober up.).

I think you can literally see the results on screen in the choppy and disjointed look of films like "Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid," "Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia" and "The Killer Elite." And yet, the first two of those three are STILL highly regarded, because Sam couldn't drink the talent away, totally.

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I sort of get it when a guy goes totally crazy after working hours, I won’t judge those sorts harshly as I like a few cocktails every evening myself and I’m not up to anything particularly special.

But Peckinpah was special. He brought ultra violence and ‘wounded/macho’ characters to the big screen, I really liked that.

It’s a damn shame he couldn’t handle the liquor, the liquor handled him.

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I found a Roger Ebert interview with Clint Eastwood, from the 70's, in which Ebert notes that while other male movie stars were working in pairs (Newman/Redford, Newman/McQueen, McQueen/Hoffman)...Eastwood had not chosen to work with a star of equal magnitude since the late 60s.

Eastwood said he was interested. "I talked to McQueen," he noted. And he agreed that a movie with Charles Bronson would be interesting.

He noted that he wanted to make one with John Wayne.

Side-bar:

The movie that never got made with Eastwood and Wayne was from a script called "The Hostiles" by Larry Cohen.

Page 502 of the Scott Eyeman bio of Wayne:

"Shortly after Clint Eastwood made High Plains Drifter in 1973, he optioned ('The Hostiles"), which involved a gambler to be played by Eastwood who wins 50% of ranch owned by an older man(Wayne.) The two men have to become partners , which is complicated by the fact that they can't stand each other. There's a battle coming that will destroy the ranch, so Eastwood, who knows about the situation, sells his half of the ranch back to Wayne, who is innocent of the underlying situation. At the last minute, Eastwood returns to help the older man fight off the hostiles."

Sounds interesting. But Wayne kept turning Eastwood down -- finally throwing a copy of the script off his yacht and into the ocean.

Wayne evidently didn't much like High Plains Drifter and Eastwood's "R-rated" take on the West.

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Interesting: in that interview with Ebert, the one equal star whom Eastwood did NOT mention was: Burt Reynolds. And as it turned out, Eastwood ended up on the cover of Time in 1978 alongside Reynolds ("The Macho Men") and in a movie with him in 1984(City Heat.)

The problem was: by 1984, Eastwood was aging but still bankable(Dirty Harry IV aka Sudden Impact was a 1983 hit), but Reynolds was suddenly a bit of a joke -- the Cannonball Run movies and Stroker Ace had devalued him. And City Heat was neither a very good movie nor a very big hit.

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