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What is your opinion on tipping culture?


I think it's gotten out of hand and somewhat toxic at least in USA/Canada.

I think it's ridiculous with the current cost of living and inflation crisis that even places where you don't normally tip are now asking you for tips. Even their default options are 18% minimum. Hell, some places they add on a "mandatory gratuity" charge on top of the bill which is horrible.

Although I do tip, I don't necessarily agree with the culture in North America. I think it's up to the business to pay their servers fairly and let tipping be truly optional. That was what I noticed a big difference when I went to Iceland last summer was tipping isn't really a thing there or many other places in Europe.


--MDC

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You can scarcely buy a candy bar without someone spinning an iPad around.

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So I posed this Question awhile back. I order a to go order from a place by me called "Joey B's" which is an Italian Cuisine bar of sorts. I pay online and include a 5% tip. When I arrive, the bartender hands me my bag and I start to walk away and she says "Oh, it's going to be like that now is it??" thinking I was supposed to tip her because she handed me the bag when I already included a tip online!! Yes, it has gotten out of hand and look, I realize people have to earn a living and inflation from our out going Administration didn't help, so I tip generously, but this is too much

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That's crazy. Yeah, the entitlement is getting out of hand.

--MDC

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It's not such a big thing in the UK but one thing I've noticed is more and more coffee shops handing over the card payment machine on an "Add Tip" screen.

This is when I'm buying one coffee, to go!

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I haven't encountered this. Is it happening in a particular chain of coffee shops? Is it one of the US chains (I avoid those)? Or is this phenomenon more widely spread?

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No, that's the funny thing - I don't use the chains either if I can avoid them.

Just little local coffee shops. Usually with those little white machines (apple pay maybe?).

It's bad enough that a coffee seems to be creeping up nearer to £4 a cup without being asked to tip on top of that!

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Yeah. That's the thing. You seem to be of a similar mind to me on this topic. I don't mind paying a bit more for a coffee to support an independent coffee shop over a major corporation. I'm all about that. I do what I can.

But I'm not paying a tip as well. And not because I'm stingy. I'm not paying a tip for the exact same reason as I'm not going into Starbucks. This is not America.

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Actually, I wonder if what we're talking about - getting a takeaway coffee - would be considered a standard tipping thing in America... I'm guessing it probably still is.

Conversely though, if I'm sitting down a cafe with someone else having a coffee and a sandwich or cake say, I'll definitely leave a small tip if there's a jar at the til.

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Yup. I'm the same. I'd usually leave a tip in a tip jar if I'd sat down on their premises. That feels a little different. That feels like a courtesy.

But I'd stop doing that too if it became an expectation or if they attempted to tell me how much -- as a percentage -- I should put in that jar. That's just not our culture. That's too American. And Americans have their reasons for doing that stuff -- vastly underpaying service staff, basically -- but those reasons just don't apply here. So I'm not getting involved in that stuff in the UK.



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Yeah, that's ridiculous. I hate when they hand you over the payment machine, and it defaults to the "Add Tip" screen. It's like they're trying to play tricks to get me to pay a tip even though I'm picking up the order over the counter.

--MDC

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It's like they're trying to play tricks to get me to pay a tip...

Yeah, exactly that. It's weird because my brain always takes a second or two to shift into gear and grasp what's going on. It like... What... hang on a minute, they're asking for a tip for passing me the cup from the machine to where I'm standing about three feet away!

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Same policy for everybody, no tip. I've noticed some places here add the tip to the bill in order to make it easier to concede.

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Why is it socially acceptable that I pay a tip to a waiter/waitress at any restaurant, but not tip you as a dentist?

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Because of huge discrepancy between income levels.

--MDC

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We pay tips for people working at a window at McDonald's but wouldn't pay a tip for someone working cash at grocery store. None of it makes sense.

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People tip at the drive-throughs McDonalds? I've never done that.

McDonald workers and grocery store employees are paid minimum wage. I think servers/waiters get paid below minimum wage?

--MDC

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I don't think servers or waiters get paid below minimum wage.

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At restaurants I tip 20%. As far as food or grocery delivery it's usually about 10%, though I will tip more in bad weather. I recently saw a YouTube video of a pizza delivery guy spitting on someone's pizza because they only tipped 15% and he complained that he should have gotten 25%. I do think 25% sounds steep. That's 1/4 of what you're paying for whatever you ordered and a lot of people just can't afford that. I also agree that employers should pay their employees enough that they shouldn't have to rely so heavily on tips.

As far as tipping on to-go orders, I learned something about that a few years back when my son was a host at a restaurant. As host, he had to take all the to-go orders, after they were cooked he had to box them up and bag them up and then make sure they got to the customers. Customers rarely tip on to go orders because they're not being waited on by a waiter, and the few times he did get tips on to-go orders he really appreciated it because those tips went to him. Just some things to think about.

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"At restaurants I tip 20%."

Is there an upper limit on that?
If a waiter brings you a $1000 bottle of wine does he/she do it 200 times better than when they bring you a $5 bottle of wine?

(yes , I'm sure you'd never pay 1k for wine , its just an example)

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The operative sentence in your post is, "yes , I'm sure you'd never pay 1k for wine".

Our restaurant bills never come close to that, and never would, and where I live 20% is standard. Growing up it was 15% and so one day without really thinking about it, I tipped 15%, and was scolded (somewhat playfully) by the people with me for being a cheap wad. 🫤

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A tip is a tip, voluntary and not mandantory, if it becomes mandantory it's part of the price and if it's not included in the registered price but still mandantory, it's tax fraud.
Viewed from another angle, tipping getting out of hands just shows that customer initiatives to increase wages of service staff don't work, because employers will use increasing tips to lower wages further and in the end it becomes an ever increasing tax fraud.

Here in Italy this has long been solved.
Tips have long become part of the bill, in restaurants and bars it's listed as the price of the service.
Of course nobody minds if you give an extra tip, but that never exceeds 5%.

In Germany people who frequently receive tips are taxed as part of their income tax by an estimated average of tips they will get.

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The problem is that the price of food in restaurants would increase if Waiters/waitresses made minimum wage.

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What's the difference in price for the customer, if the food costs 20% more or they have to give 20% tip?

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Maybe you have a point. Frankly I don't eat out much since my favorite restaurants with waitresses/waiters in my town went out of business. I can't drive so I can't go to another town to eat.

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I live in Italy and I do eat out a lot.
When you get the bill there's always "copertura" (translated means "coverage") listed, which stands for the table service, it's charged per person and is usually around 5-10% of an average meal.
The advantage of that is, waiters/waitresses get this as part of their wages, it is taxed and counts for the pension they will receive when they retire, while tipping doesn't count for anything and will generate a whole generation of elders with a pension they can't live from.

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That is a valid point. Honestly with how I have often tipped as much as $10 for a waitress, I suppose it wouldn't be a big deal to just pay $10 more and not have to tip.

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