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Movie rape, bad. Movie violence just fine.

posted 2 years ago by 123Guy (7635)
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Again again, let me get this straight:

Depicting rape in a movie is triggering and bad, causes MENTAL reactions, according to studies I guess.
Depicting violent shootings, death etc does NOT cause MENTAL reactions?
Colombine killers playing shooter games and dressing like The Matrix was just coincidence? NOT caused by their media stimuli? Just one example.

How many quadruple standards are there? Is there a blog somewhere that lists them all?

[–] TheMan18 (13118) 2 years ago

123 Guy, I must admit, you seem to have quite a few strong nerves to even bring this subject up, I often tend to cover and whimper, lol.

What's interesting also is - even in HERE, yes at moviechat.org, I made loads of varieties of threads on the matter.

No, there wasn't one PERFECT and UNIVERSALLY SATISFYING answer to any of this.

Heck, I even did the subject, quite a bit actually, where it wasn't just male who were victims (yes I know I know I know I know) but also, err, someone else as perpetrators. And I wondered here too but didn't condone it either, it was an exercise in me remaining calm in the face of various strong oppositions, but what can we do, we humans are sexually sensitive creatures. And that means for stuff we see in movies too.

And some people DO find other forms of violence like the particularly WELL KNOWN examples like bloody killings to also be disturbing and, for those who are sensitive and not into movies overall, also bad and inappropriate. The sexual violation though just strikes a more, as I said already, responsive chord with some, and its just a fact of life.

And for those who at times found even my QUESTIONING of such things off-putting - exploration of stereotypes, wondering how things are like, being exposed to in typical examples revenge tropes and reading in reviews how people at least understood it and at most accepted it, but you get the picture.

[–] TexasJack (12516) 2 years ago

I think movie violence is framed favorably, even glorified at times, but movie rape is not.

[–] TheMan18 (13118) 2 years ago

Even so Texas Jack, does that mean that the former (violence) is necessarily better and more acceptable than the latter issue?

[–] Kimmie (353) 2 years ago

The issue is for people haVe been raped,

Seeing what is often a very porn like scene for male audiences, is triggeing and causes mental stess

A movie that glorified school shootings would have similar effects, it isn't generic law breaking that has the effect

[–] TheMan18 (13118) 2 years ago

But even some people who were NOT victimized in this way and issue still tend to have strong feelings about it.

[–] Kimmie (353) 2 years ago

But the core issue remains, that people who have been victimized have flashbacks because of scenes like that, trying to create slippery slopargument is a fallacy by the way, no one iscalling to deviolence movies in totality,

Why stop at rape? Because it is sensible to not fight thateverything in entertainment needs be removed

he rape scenes aren't adding to the story, other than pushing the women in refrigerators trope, wich should die seeing how lazy writing it is

[–] TheMan18 (13118) 2 years ago

Do other forms of violence also cause flashbacks in some audiences, or is sexual violence the only one?

[–] Kimmie (353) 2 years ago

It is the only one that merits attention, we could conclude that movies should not dxist because some one may be offended due to the insenstive portrayal of some things, but rape is a low hanging fruit that adds very littlle to a movie and audience members are unlikely to outcry about removing it

Yes, all forms of violence has a possibility of disturbing people, but trying to defend ,rape scences make people look ultra creepy

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

Yeah, I think it’s time you went back to defending Harvey Weinstein on his page. 👋

[–] DoctorThirteen (14440) 2 years ago

Sometimes violence is portrayed in a 'heroic' light, be it Rambo, Bruce Lee, or just some little guy who's finally pushed too far. It's the 'good guy', so that's okay. Difficult to put the same spin on rape.

[–] blue1981 (7951) 2 years ago

I had to think about this before posting and I think most movie violence you dont think about it much because it happens so quick. I think most depictions of rape is a prolonged amount of pain and suffering which can be hard to watch. The rape scene in the Last House on the Left remake I only saw it once in theaters. Every time I watch Showgirls the rape scene can be easily skipped.

[–] Wint3rFir3 (7251) 2 years ago

Violence is normalized as part of the human condition, whereas rape is considered outside the norm. As a result, we are desensitized to violence, which isn't to excuse for it - if anything, it's crazy that we're so well conditioned to accept violence as normal and rape as abnormal. And yet both things are common irl.

Sadly, film assists in this normalization: you can't exactly convey an almost 2 hour long film full of violence and gore while promoting that the message of the film is that violence is wrong and be taken seriously.

But I mean, who are you blaming for this? Who are you holding responsible for this? Are you just mad this is happening, or is there someone you're mad at?

[–] TheMan18 (13118) 2 years ago

And why is rape necessarily considered "outside the norm" and violence, including killings, "isn't"?

[–] Wint3rFir3 (7251) 2 years ago

Idk why it's considered outside the norm tbh. People are considered normal until they do something like this, and then suddenly they're considered "monsters", as if normal people aren't capable of monstrous things. Same as serial murders, and still we sensationalize and glorify killers - film lingers over monstrosity.

[–] 123Guy (7635) 2 years ago

Wint3rFir3....... you're alright. :)

Me, I'm not blaming anyone - it's everyone's fault - I also think it is sad what we are desensitized to. Still... movies are just fastastical versions of stuff... we is what we is.

My post was merely a balance check.

[–] TheMan18 (13118) 2 years ago

"I'm not blaming anyone - it's everyone's fault"

So you ARE blaming someone then, EVERYONE, why not just say I blame everyone or "I blame no one, its no one's fault"? Or do you believe that humanity overall is simply flawed here?

If I were you, I probably wouldn't for one WANT to cast "blame" here, for me however overall, its like a FRUSTRATING SITUATION.

Plus, are we REALLY desensitized here, on anything? Does desensitization here exist and is possible, or is it imagined?

[–] Wint3rFir3 (7251) 2 years ago

Thanks, man, I consider myself alright too. It's fair to be pissed over something like this. It's not a normal thing, it's just normalized. I guess I'm just wondering who pays the balance.

[–] 123Guy (7635) 2 years ago

I didn't mean to sound mad - although I get it - just confused trying to figure out the acceptance of it all.

What if...
The amount of movie violence makes us to be desensitized, causing us to do more violence in the really world, which causes us more desensitization in movies?

[–] Wint3rFir3 (7251) 2 years ago

You don't sound mad, I imagine you as sounding quietly pondering.

As for the cycle of violence perpetuated by media - yes, that's a thing, it's well known and documented.

[–] TheMan18 (13118) 2 years ago

Also, what about some audiences who DON'T have a "problem" with the depiction of EITHER, are they alright and can just be left to be?

I myself, film-wise, am actually quite a bit of a gore AND sleaze hound myself. And if you're THAT sensitive to movie rape than a vast majority of films I've seen and admired are not for you especially. Come to think of it, if you're not into gory horror, you wouldn't want to watch what I watch either.

Am I alright with all of this, myself?