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Why do "Karen"'s exist?


Where did we go wrong positing that women are untouchable, can't do wrong, are entitled to be jerks to whomever, when ever they want?
Is this an extension of bad parenting? Kids that grew up with trophies every month, and never doing any "wrong"?
Did it escalate after metoo was fired up? Where women are untouchable?
So, they go off on people like they are never wrong, annoying the rest of the normal world.

I'm aware guys are A Holes, we own up to that, we're dicks sometimes and we know it, sometimes we get our faces punched in because of it. But one would EVER punch a girl. Because of this they can get away with KARENing??

I firmly believe we should allow slapping the public, and not be a legal assault provided no one was injured. Maybe this would help people know when they are being stupid and crossing a line, if others put them in their place at the time instead of walking away.
Everyone records everything now, so the footage would show when someone deserved it.

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I’m of the opinion that physically attacking another person is usually not a good move. Self defense against a mugger is one thing but beating up an annoying woman is not in The Playbook.
Just walk away from the bitch…

As for ‘Karen’s’ and overly demanding Male sorts in general just lead them to the door and show them out, none of us deserve abuse and nonsense.

I’ve walked out of a few professional meetings where the opposite party was being unreasonable, no physical or verbal assaults were required.

Just walk away, Fuck ‘em. If they act demanding and rude I simply refuse to do business with them.

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this is funny because of your contentious way on mc

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I don’t get along with one poster here, almost nobody likes him, that is hardly ‘contentious.’

‘Vocal’ would be a better adjective for me, buy a thesaurus and study it.

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quite a few of the recordings I viewed were in businesses where the employee's can't simply walk away. they ask Karens to leave, but they don't and just get madder about it.
I'll admit, I rarely witness them live where I live, but I think if I did, I would step right in and say something to them.

Because people don't step up, is what allows people to get away with it. It's not always police situations, sometimes society needs to police itself.

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I’ve dealt with shitheads in a variety of jobs. Just walk away, let the ASSistant Manager deal with the nutjob.

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I think it has something to do with radical feminism. Maybe with the idea that women don't need men. “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle,” was the refrain. But women need men. Not every woman, of course, but the majority.

It is uncontroversial to say that men need women. Women civilize men. But apparently it is really bad to say the reverse: that women need men. Why shouldn't it be true? Women without men can become nutty. Karens. Again, not every one.

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oh, I fully agree with all of this. whether it is a popular truth or not. it's worked FINE for thousands of years - only now are we "Enlighted" enough to believe it could work better messing up roles.

And now, SOME women think it is justified to yell at poor fast food workers, or lay down their own laws around them. Because no one will touch them. WE KNOW men can be assholes... we don't need the "fairer sex" to join in on that level of stupid.
It just seems like kind of a new thing. I know it is not, but it is a growing thing that has turned into even having a name now: A Karen

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And yet, why do people think that accepting sub-standard service or a bad product without complaining is acceptable?

While there is no need to be abusive, I really resent the fact that I might have a "Karen" label attached to me unless I keep my mouth shut when something isn't right.

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there's a level of humanity that separates discussing an issue with something, verses losing your blooming mind and screaming like an insane person. most normal people can make a complaint about something without freaking out and losing all logic and reality.

A Karen will always be the one who CAN'T complain sensibly. if you can't discuss an issue in a clam, adult manner, then, yes, you would be a Karen, worthy of your own youtube video chastising.
Don't keep your mouth shut, just be adult about it. There's no reason to lose one's fricking mind just to make a point. Be rational, treat others how you want to be treated, use logic and common sense, and always be respectful. Those are everything Karens DON'T do.

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Sorry, but I will have to disagree with you about how some people perceive anyone who isn't complacent about anything sub-standard - regardless of how calmly they handle the situation.



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yeah, we can't control others perceptions and receptions... not something we really have to worry about. we just need to do what we should - in a rational, proper, adult, respectful manner that all humans deserve - and not worry if someone jumps to a conclusion that you are a karen.
YOU know if you did things the best you could. Their opinion never matters.

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DUDE...STOP SAYING KAREN OVER AND OVER...WE GET IT...YOU HAVE SOME DEEP DEATED SEXIST ISSUES...KAREN IS A MADE UP WORD...IT DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING...THERE ARE CRAZY ANGRY BITCHERS IN THE WORLD...BEING FEMALE CHANGES NOTHING...ASSHOLES COME IN ALL SHAPES AND SIZES...THIS KAREN BULLSHIT IS ASSHOLES LIKE YOU'S WAY OF KICKING DIRT ON WOMEN UNDER THE COVER OF A BUZZWORD.

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Entitlement.
Someone lied to the public and said "the customer is always right".
Pampered upbringing, tricking kids into thinking they are special with participation trophies and junk like that,
when they're at best just another idiot like the rest of us.
Also having a too simple life in general..eventually you start looking for, or create problems to distract yourself from your boring ass day-to-day.

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I'd like for someone come up with a serious outlay of what this "entitlement" label really all involves. It seems to be a socio-political buzzword that gets called out all too often. A bit like sociopath or psychopath but not with the clinical definition to go with it.

As another consideration, I think the "Karen" and "Kyle" types may also be desperate to be acknowledged as having some value as a human being. The lack of eternal validation could be a driving force for all kinds of negative emotions and degraded self-esteem. Maybe they're in a bad situation in life that brings on some of the worst natures of civil interaction. Maybe in a lot of cases the lack of positive self-image is well deserved and the types of people who can't see themselves in this light show this "entitlement" attitude. I really don't know.

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I knew this could become an interesting discussion, and I thank you for that. :)

ENTITLEMENT is kind of self explanatory mostly, but here's the definition for how we are using it:
the fact of having a right to something.
the amount to which a person has a right.
the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.

This exactly explains many of the various Karen videos where a women is telling others how to act in public (right or wrong it's not their place to mandate), or insanely blowing up at people because their coffee wasn't made correctly.
I've been given many wrong orders over the years, and going back and yelling at the has never once entered my mind an effective solution. I've politely and respectfully returned and almost always get a free replacement and apologies from management. Not looking to condemn anyway, I just want to get the order I paid for. :)

but these filmed karens (if real and I believe most are) lose their freaking minds and start screaming at the top of their lungs. like crazy people.

Maybe there is more mental illness out there than we want to acknoledge, and karen's are just part of it? Maybe when Karen's freak out, they need to be sumbitted somewhere like a dangerous crazy person would be. Perhaps that would calm down the future karens into acting more civil, if society starts refusing to allow it.

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is this a karen?

https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1573777822266499072

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Whatever she is, she is out of her frickin' mind. How about that scream at 0:44--0:50.

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I would have tazed her, tied her up as possible danger to herself or others, and had her committed. they will keep doing these things until they are held accountable for THEIR actions. which very few seem to be doing..... birthing MORE Karen problems.

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you bet.
she says she was raped, and cant stand being touched.
ok fine.
[taking as if to the lady in that video] take yourself out of public situations until you have gotten proper help with YOUR issue. Don't make YOUR issue everyone else's. that's not realistic no matter what YOUR FEELINGS are. The world doesn't revolve around you, and never will. learn to cope, seek help, whatever, but get out of public if public is causing YOU problems.
Why are people so dumb these days?? oh, because Karens are entitled to everything they want.

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is this a karen?


Yes definitely. She’s in the wrong here. She even admits it. But rather than make the situation right, she plays the victim, and uses it to attack someone else. This not ok. All sympathy goes out the window when you start taking your problems out on someone else.

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I don't think she's a Karen. I think she has mental problems that have nothing to do with what she is claiming. I think she needs help. Perhaps she shouldn't be in public. I think she needs help. That's not the behaviour of a Karen though to me. A Karen is someone who is entitled and "demands to speak to the manager", while belittling others. I don't see that here. I see some one who is mentally ill.

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i felt bad for the guy. he seemed very polite and didn't deserve being screamed at.

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I felt badly for the guy too. He didn't deserve it, although I don't know if videoing it and posting it online was the right thing to do either. The staff at the store was dealing with her. She admitted she cut him off, I think she may be on the spectrum, or pretty young. Her backpack didn't exactly say mature adult to me, but maybe. I don't know. I guess I think that some of these people need a comeuppance, and some really just need our pity.

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YOU FIRMLY BELIEVE YOU SHOULD LEGALLY BE ABLE TO SLAP A WOMAN IN THE FACE?


WHAT THE FUCK,BRO?😐

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Not all "Karens" are women...

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not talking about Kens or Chads (or whatevers) in this thread, just Karens because they get more videos

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YEAH...WHO WANTS TO BADMOUTH GUYS...TALKING SHIT ON WOMEN IS WAY MORE FUN.

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