I think bisexual women like her, prefer the sex with men yet want the emotional relationship with women. I've known a lesbian, in an old circle of friends, that dated women the longest yet every breakup she would go out and sleep with several men to eventually go back to dating a woman again for years. That was my take on that situation.
Smith had that big speech and as my bestfriend told me ahead of time "stole the whole movie" so maybe the speech is the key to what he was trying to say? https://youtu.be/FlYZnd7dEPw
Dont let insecurity ruin your relationship, but if that does happen dont "Chase Amy" afterward. Move on. Thats my take on his speech
Thing is, I disagree with the some of what he tells Holden "shes your Amy, she was the right one for you and you blew it" (paraphrased some). I dont think they were perfect together. Holden can find another girlfriend given time, one without all the baggage who wants just a straight man.
In the real world people get so hung up on a failed relationship or missed chance. I think its over for a reason, move on!
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Mustang (5444)
2 years ago
I'll be watching Chasing Amy soon based on our discussions! lol
Sex with men would be simple as would relationships with men. I have known bi sexual women who complain more about dating women than they do about dating men. It is also the same kind of thing how emotional it all is and how women have an entitlement syndrome.
I read that Smith dated Joey Lauren Adams and split up with her because of her sexuality, so I wonder if his speech is based on something she really did?
Holden is definitely insecure but he also strikes me as someone who is middle class, a comic book nerd kind of old fashioned. Nothing wrong with that but it would be difficult for him to handle the idea of his girlfriend having had sex with two men at once. So I do get that to an extent, especially as this was 1997 and the world was very different to now where a woman can not only have sex with two dudes at once but she will film it and put it on the internet so other guys can pay to see it!
It just wasn't like that in '97.
So I disagree that Alyssa was the one for Holden. I don't think they were compatible. I can't see Alyssa becoming a mother and going to school functions and hosting birthday parties for a two year old etc.
Alyssa will go onto a string of short lived relationships and Holden will find a woman who will marry him and they will have kids etc. He still might fantasize about Alyssa but it will be a sex thing.
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scannerdarkly (1383)
2 years ago
Were women as entitled back in 1997 as they are now though? It may have been easier for Alyssa at that time. I can understand your friends thoughts on the dating differences. The lesbian (bisexual really) girl I knew seemed to enjoy the sex with men but never dated one for more than a few months. Yet she would date chicks for years. I can only speculate that they offer something more emotional than they guys provided. The simplicity of just dating a man as a woman is probably why many bisexual women end up married and with kids. the roles are defined, the sex is natural (no extra equipment required) you can actually create children together. (thats a big part im sure). But whatever they choose, at some point they do have to make some kind of choice.
I completely agree. There was some wisdom and advice in silent bobs speech, but when he said that Alyssa was "your Amy" I was like no she isnt xD Alyssa was not the one for Holden. I actually like when jay added at the very end that "theres plenty of women out there" his advice was actually better for Holden. Silent Bobs wisdom on the matter helped Holden recognize what he did wrong and perhaps not judge people so harshly. Jays advice was a vulgar "dude just move on, you will find a better woman".
Holden was pining and feeling down and in his mind he was still "Chasing Amy" so Silent Bob was correct, but at his speeches end he should've added "Dont Chase Amy (Move On)" but I think Smith wanted we the audience to figure out that last part. So it still works. Holden can been seen as a bit of a prick, but simultaneously Alyssa played wild most of her life and maybe was ready to settle down now. Holden just didnt want someone with baggage like that.
People put so much on past relationships, pining for what was lost they forget the negative that drove them apart in the first place.
I hope you enjoy the film! If you glean anymore insight you're welcome to come back. Or I'll just look on the Chasing Amy board sometime : )
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Mustang (5444)
2 years ago
So I just watched Chasing Amy again for the first time in years. An interesting point is Alyssa is the one who pursues Holden in my opinion. What I never noted before was after they spend the night at the lesbian bar, Alyssa shows up at Holden's place and they start hanging out. I am not sure how many times they hang out or how long that goes on for but she makes it obvious at times that she likes him.
He eventually breaks and declares his love for her which is what leads to her yelling at him and how she is a lesbian but then kisses him and so that is how they get together.
I had more sympathy for Alyssa this time around actually. She did some silly/crazy things but none of them were while she was involved with Holden or even when she knew him. It was also unfair of Holden to bring it all up at the hockey game.
At the end, you can still see a lot of affection that she has for him in her eyes but he still walks away.
Perhaps the story isn't quite over yet.
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scannerdarkly (1383)
2 years ago
Thats interesting, maybe she finally had to admit to herself she saw something more than friendship with Holden even from the beginning.
He was judging her very harshly from her past. People can change. Banky really should have kept his mouth shut. He knew it would cause some kind of strain, thats not your friend.
Maybe they could have worked out after all, if he never knew her past? Either way, he still can find someone new that he can bond with better. if knowing that bit of her past wouldve broke the relationship then maybe it still wasnt meant to be?
I doubt smith will create a sequel for Chasing Amy. He did do Clerks 3, but I heard the storyline and was disappointed how theres no happy ending. I think the ending of Clerks 2 was perfect.
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