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Nudity vs Gore in Horror Films


When I was younger, my mom and I would watch a lot of horror movies together. (Admittedly I was too young for that kind of content, but I think I turned out fine and I love horror now as a result.) It didn't seem to bother her that I was seeing anything really grotesque, but she'd always cover my eyes when it came to female nudity.

I don't believe I can be the only one that experienced this, so I'm curious if anyone knows why nudity was apparently a bigger concern than the gore.

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Because the nudity in film is real while the gore isn't. If you ask people down the street if they would rather take off their clothes for the camera or simulate their head getting blown off, I'm sure the majority would choose the latter.

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Nope, and video games are the best example of this.

Grand Theft Auto San Andreas -- It was an explicit murder simulator basically, including murdering cops, and it had hookers but there was nothing explicit about the hookers... Then the "hot coffee" code was found and exploited, causing the M rating to be raised to AO (the stupidest part of this is that the difference between M and AO is one year -- M is 17+ and AO is 18+) until the code was removed.

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Both violence and the sexual contents in GTA are simulated.

But nudity in movies are real, while the violence is simulated. If both are real, say in a decapitaton snuff video made by terrorists, I think the violence is more unacceptable for young viewers. I mean, I'd rather have my 5 yo kid see real nudity than real murder.

That said, I don't even let my son watch Thor: Ragnarok because it's too violent. However, Avengers: Age of Ultron, for example, is okay. So for me it depends on the type of the violence depicted rather than the fact that a movie contains any violence or not.

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Having "nudity" being the subject matter here is a false flag, though.

Simulated sex without nudity is still R-rated.

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The rating system is not an end all be all thing. I myself still pre-screen every movie my kid watches to make sure whether the violence is tame enough.

Laser pew pew is generally okay, impaling people with swords and spears are not. I don't even let him to watch Rango the animated movie because the way it depicted an armadillo getting crushed under car tires were too gross.

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"The rating system is not an end all be all thing."

Absolutely, and I want to explain why I referenced it; Being on a movie site is not the reason but it was a great opening for my example.

I refer to these rating systems because they come about through votes and committees and the influences of perhaps hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands of people.

These ratings show us a statistical average of the moral views from a pretty decently sized population sample.

That moral view shows us our society is more accepting of "public" violence than "public" sexuality. Just look at television, the cop shows now feature pretty blatant and disturbingly realistic gore, usually a corpse, and the only element that's tamed down seems to be the blood.

With televised sexuality, one of the only realistic options is simply to have the characters talk about it.

G.I. Joe was a popular cartoon when I was a kid, and it showed a watered-down form of "clean" violence but it was still violence and conflict. They tried to show Joes and Cobras always parachuting out of planes getting shot down, and no one ever died, but a child can't even fully comprehend what's going on and can't fully appreciate it without first understanding war and death... something which can happen early, especially if there's an actual war happening in the world.

Can you FATHOM a child's cartoon with watered-down, "clean" sex? I'm going to match G.I. Joe as close as I can -- This would require orgies, group sex, but nothing truly explicit being shown.

Can you FATHOM that? Probably not.

Voila, there you go. Violence is considered more acceptable than sexuality when it comes to entertainment for children.

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I think mouth to mouth sexual kissing is the cleanest depiction of sexual content in kids movies.

And yes, violence is considered more acceptable than sexuality when it comes to entertainment for children. I never said otherwise. Maybe you mistook me for the previous poster (samoanjoes)?

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No, I was just expanding on my point about why I referenced ratings, and when the GI Joe example hit my mind, I had to post it.

I actually wasn't completely sure what your stance was, but I was mostly just giving a more focused iteration of my argument.

I didn't mean to be redundant, but thanks for reading and responding!

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Yeah, it's a complex situation and a not very logical one. Parents usually decided these things in a whim and not put much thought about it.

Sex and violence in movies... hmm... I still have to decide in a one by one basis. Generally I'd rather have my kid see violence in movies than sexual content. However, I'd rather have my kid see a real uncensored sexual act in a video than a real uncensored decapitation video.

I was quite traumatized myself after I watched a decapitation video of soldiers and other victims in what looked like the Middle East.

Way, way less gory than any slasher movie. But it's real people and real blood. Can't sleep for a few nights after. Even now I'm shivering while typing this.

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On Saturday a friend was watching a video of a small deer-like African animal trapped between a pack of hyenas and a hippo.

It was traumatizing too... Especially to think of how it happens every day.

I'll never forget a video of zebras in Africa crossing a river, I saw it so long ago I can't even recall. Many died from alligators, but there was one zebra that I guess lost his/her only child. The zebra went back to the edge of the river waiting, hoping.

Another one came up and provided physical comfort, then compelled the first to give up waiting.

It still fucks me up. I'm crying right now.

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Also, nonsexual nudity is not considered R-rated.

A PG (more likely PG-13) movie can feature limited nonsexual nudity (like Titanic).

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The one that came immediately to my mind was A Room with A View. It had a scene with several nude men cavorting joyfully in a pond. It's rated R, but some reviewer reminded me it also had a pretty graphic and bloody violent scene of a man getting killed, so the R rating could have been for that.

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Then you have Titanic with female nudity and many on screen deaths with two F-words and it's only PG-13.

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But would gore not be more impressionable on a child than nudity?

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Our minds don't really work that. Historically we're built with double standards.

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Is that a claim that can be backed up?

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Not really. I guess you can say it's like nipples. It's okay to show a man's nipple, but a woman's isn't.

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Yeah. Which is really bizzare. Cause the main difference between a man's breast and a woman's is generally the bulge, the shape of the boobs.

However, all sides and angle of boobs are okay as long as the nipples are covered. But the nipples are the ones that are more similar to man's. But man's nipples are all fine and dandy.

This is confusing!

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Its senseless, which is why it got overturned in New York (City only iirc, but maybe State). Women can be topless the same as men. Equality.

But keep in mind this is the same society that considers a handful of words to be "bad" and will even fine people over them...

...Even though you can say the same things or convey the same negative or aggressive or sexual message with different words....

...so its not an idea or anything real being called "bad"...

...it's literally just the man-made word itself being called bad.

What the fudge?

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Actually you reminded me of another example. In some areas, calling a transgender person by the gender they don't identify as is illegal, but calling a straight person a "fag" isn't. It's also not illegal to call someone a "retard".

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"In some areas, calling a transgender person by the gender they don't identify as is illegal"

Weird... is that only in Europe? I can't see how that would fly in the U.S.

Does that mean it's also illegal to call a non-transgender guy "her," for example?

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I hear in the UK that some people are getting charged for it. I don't think it works in the example you gave, only if you are transgender.

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I didn't watch horror films with my mom but she was always fine with me watching excessive gore but not nudity. I think it's because parents are just more comfortable answering questions about violence than sex.

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It's because violence is considered slightly more socially acceptable than sexuality or the human body.

It's like Grand Theft Auto San Andreas -- It was an explicit murder simulator basically, including murdering cops, and it had hookers but there was nothing explicit about the hookers... Then the "hot coffee" code was found and exploited, causing the M rating to be raised to AO (the stupidest part of this is that the difference between M and AO is one year -- M is 17+ and AO is 18+) until the code was removed.

The point of view is slightly understandable: People want to engage in sexuality and don't necessarily want to engage in violence.... Except this view is wrong, because people DO in fact have a natural urge to engage in violence, which comes from the same instinct as sexuality.

So the end result is sending out an uneven, unrealistic message that violence is more acceptable than sexuality.

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I mean yeah it sort of makes sense, but I feel like if you're comfortable with kids seeing graphic violence, you should be comfortable with your kid seeing nudity.

I get it's probably because reproductive organs are constantly sexualized, but would covering a child's eyes not add to that stigma?

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Parents tend to screw up their kids' view of sexuality out of fear.

German culture is much healthier about this, but most Americans would be shocked (in a prudish way) if they read about how sexuality was handled over there.

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My parents were pretty lax with controlling what I watched. The only movie they ever tried to stop me from watching was Beverly Hills Cop, and that was because I quoted movies from the time I could talk. (not really, but close) and my mom didn't want me saying the F word everywhere I went, but we went to family friends and their kids had rented it for us to watch.

I didn't watch horror movies with my parents, so I don't even know if they knew about the nudity. They weren't really prudish. My older brother had rented Wild Orchid to watch with his friends and I ended up watching it with my parents the next night. They didn't shield me, and my mom was awesome answering a couple of my questions about some of the sex.

I do find it so odd that pubic hair is deemed more offensive than someone getting their head blown off.

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One of my dad's main concerns with rated R movies or rated M games was also just the bad language.

The thing is though, most cuss words are just synonyms of other words so I don't understand the stigma of those either. That's a different conversation though.

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I have seen this happen.

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I grew up going to the mom and pop video rental store and horror was my favorite section. The 80’s slasher that was my friends and my favorite genre was always full of gore and boobs. Even as a kid I always knew one was fake and two were real. :)

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My dad wasn't a fan of guns or violence or for that matter swearing so he wasn't pleased with a lot of stuff! But in terms of nudity I think it brings up the awkward topic of sex for parents not to mention watching nudity/sex with your family. Another factor could be what I would call "tick the box" parenting.

My dad did this to me in a cinema when we were watching a film about a gangster. There was a fairly brief topless scene so he covered by eyes. Little did he know that I saw the scene the night before in a film review late at night!

ie - I am being a good parent by not letting my kid see boobies right now. Oh look son/daughter, watch their head being ripped off!

Not saying it makes sense..

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So sort of a means of trying to balance the good and the bad parenting? It doesn't make any sense at all to me but I guess I'm not a parent so I don't know. 😂

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Neither am I but that is what I understood from his motivations. Both my parents were crap in many ways but they would try and teach life lessons or so they thought when it suited them.

I grew up in the late 70's and 80's though, back in primary (grade) school the teachers would sometimes just put a video on, often one that was too mature for us and let us watch movies!

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>but she'd always cover my eyes when it came to female nudity
For me it was the other way around. But I grew up in Western Europe and people here mostly don't think nudity is evil. Gore on the other hand was a big scary thing here in the 90s. Media painted it as the biggest danger to society.

I personally love gore and nudity in horror movies since it symbolizes the most basic principles: Eros & Thanatos / Life & Death.

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Hell, you can't say they're wrong, though.

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Who? The scare mongers in the US or the scare mongers in Europe?

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The ones in Europe.

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