ksp, we were always good. Just for clarity's sake, I wasn't calling you specifically a "right-wing dope." The "you" I was referring to was right-wing people in general. As I said before, I don't believe all right-wingers are blind neanderthals; you're a perfect example of one who definitely isn't. But it's the neanderthals among you who have the loudest voice and support el trumpo no matter what he does.
"You Dems. throw that word around like the easy off the tongue words such as RACIST, HOMOPHOBIC, FASCIST, if we happen to have a different ideology from yours."
Now who's painting everyone with the same brush? C'mon...be honest.
Your opinion of Obama is just that; opinion. I hardly believe he was perfect, but not the demon many seem to think he is. At least the man was far more intelligent and competent than his predecessor and follower.
Regarding HC, so far, she still hasn't been proven to be guilty of any crime. If she had, she would've been prosecuted by now. I repeat, I was never a fan of hers, and do believe she's likely crooked in some areas, and, should proof emerge, should be prosecuted.
Regarding trumpo's being impeached, he's "guilty" of many of the same things repubs say Obama should've been impeached for, but never was. And more. Do a quick Google search, disregarding the obviously biased sources. The man, currently at least, is Teflon for some reason.
Insofar as Obamacare goes, yes, I agree it is FAR, FAR, FAR from perfect, but it was at least a step in the right direction; the idea that all Americans deserve affordable healthcare, the key word being affordable. The reason it has hurt jobs, raised costs, killed some existing plans, etc isn't the concept's fault; it's a combination of what the bill looked like after it got through congress and, far more so, the still-unchecked outright greed of the insurance companies. Let's be real; before Obamacare, it was basically, "Can't afford healthcare? Sorry. Die."
That's a simplification, of course, but really what it came down to...the whole "I can afford mine, the hell with you" concept, which many seem to want to return to. Those who do pay are being asked to pay for those those who can't? That's nothing new. Prior to Obamacare, who do you think footed the bill when parents took kids with sniffles to the emergency room instead of a doctor? WE did. And if you break it down, it likely cost us even more then.
My own opinion is that the insurance companies need to be reigned in and, if necessary, have some controls instituted on them. Anti-capitalist? Tough. This is peoples' lives we're talking about. I've always believed this country has needed socialized medicine for a long time. Again, it's not perfect, but it's still managed to work in Europe and other countries for almost 50 years. Waiting lists? Sure, they exist. Still better than simply waiting to die because you can't afford to get medical attention at all, isn't it?
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kspkap (13570)
7 years ago
"Now who's painting everyone with the same brush? C'mon...be honest."
You're right I was painting all with a broad brush; I should have wrote most of them.
As far as the healthcare debate. Healthcare and health insurance are two different entities. Forgive me if I'm not correct, but you also use the term healthcare in place of health insurance. That was the vernacular used in order to pass the blasted lie. People may not be able to afford health insurance, but they can receive healthcare. It's the law. Hospitals can not turn away those seeking treatment. The ER's are still full and we have the great Obamacare!
"I can afford mine, the hell with you" concept, which many seem to want to return to. Those who do pay are being asked to pay for those those who can't?"
It's not right to take from me and give to others. My benefits through Medicare have been cut since Obamacare. This is the death tax put on us Medicare recipients. To use as an analogy, have an IRS agent accompany you to your neighbors for the sole purpose to demand they pay your medical bills. See how far you would get!
Next will come auto insurance. Some of your neighbors can not afford auto insurance so they are unable to drive to work. The government can't let this happen so they step in to force the insurance cos. to raise your premium in order to pay for the neighbor's lack of insurance. We had four hurricanes hit Florida in 2004. Our homeowner's insurance was active; but there were many who did not have coverage. Well you guessed it...our rates skyrocketed in order to pay for those who didn't have the insurance!
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7 years ago
Your home insurance likely also increased because of it being a high risk area surely?
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kspkap (13570)
7 years ago
Not at all. We lived in Central Florida and sustained no damage, except for a huge limb which snapped off the live oak tree. It was a known fact why the separate exclusion for coverage was enacted. They added a wind storm addendum. We had to go with a high deductible. The powers that be are requiring flood insurance for all who have mortgages. For places that never flooded! Without a doubt it's to pay for those who live in flood prone areas.
You know, I really am sick and tired of paying for everyone else. Able bodied working people are receiving Medicaid benefits! It was supposed to be a program for the poor and the elderly. One boondoggle after another....and on and on it goes.
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7 years ago
I get that,I accept it as a fact of life here.I think I have to otherwise I'd be driven insane!
We have the NHS and a benefit system.Both do get abused and we do see evidence that being on benefits is a career choice for some.The NHS is underfunded and overused...
However one never knows when hard times are going to hit.Illness,death and redundancy can happen to the best of us and I like that there is a safety net available to everyone.It could be me one day,I hope not of course.
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napsdufroid (2077)
7 years ago
"one never knows when hard times are going to hit.Illness,death and redundancy can happen to the best of us"
Exactly. Things can turn on a dime.
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7 years ago
I fervently hope that the UK never adopts a system like the US.
Yes the NHS gets abused.Doctors surgeries are clogged with people who catch a cold and can't wait it out, or who eat too much and disable themselves,people who eat too little..and so on.
Yet it works,everyone can have access to healthcare.Every single living person rich,poor,homeless can be taken care of,should they need it.That's a wonderful thing.Not something I'd give up readily.
It's natural,of course, to care first about you and yours.I totally understand that but if we stop caring about those less fortunate then we're not decent people.
Just my opinion.😊
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napsdufroid (2077)
7 years ago
"I really am sick and tired of paying for everyone else. Able bodied working people are receiving Medicaid benefits!"
True, and it's not right...but for the third time, this did not start with Obamacare. I remember people bitching about the same thing as far back as the early 80s. And yes, while there are indeed those who abuse the system and have been doing so for years, sometimes decades (and I think they should be dealt with by, at minimum, making them do some sort of work, even community service if necessary) not everyone who doesn't work doesn't want to, especially those over 50; many simply cannot find decent-paying jobs.
Let me ask you a serious question, ksp...God forbid, suppose for whatever reason you suddenly found yourself broke or close to it, absolutely unable to afford any medical insurance. And try as hard as you can, you cannot find any job where the pay can come even close to cover it. If someone told you they were sick of paying for people like you, an able-bodied person who isn't working, would you simply say, "You're right; I don't deserve insurance?"
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kspkap (13570)
7 years ago
"If someone told you they were sick of paying for people like you, an able-bodied person who isn't working, would you simply say, "You're right; I don't deserve insurance?"
There's always part-time jobs. I would take three if needed. Also, I would be treated either at the ER or the walk-in clinics. Many companies now have a PA with a mini clinic....such as Walmart.
"we were ALWAYS paying for others in one way or another." That maybe true, but it sure didn't hit me with the proverbial sledge hammer due to Obamacare! I now have four separate policies including Medicare...but no Part D which is drug coverage.
I don't believe I stated Dems. are dimwits, I was actually giving them a slap on the back for standing by their man/woman when they actually know their leaders are prevaricators. They don't give an inch. "You can keep your doctor." You can keep your insurance." "We have to pass the bill to know what's in the bill." "A video caused Benghazi" "We couldn't reach them in time." "Here's the Blackberrys, but hey the SIM cards are gone." "He served with honor and distinction" (knowing full well he was a deserter)
I repeat: My homeowner's premiums skyrocketed to pay the bill for those who didn't have insurance. I did not live in a high risk area. Florida leaders decided to get into the insurance business when Ins. Companies were planning to pull out of the state. To keep them we all were thrown in a high risk pool. We didn't need to be in that pool.
Reads exactly like Obamacare. The government getting into the Ins. business, forcing us to pay for services we will never use. Our retirement plan including Medicare went from $1100.00 to over $2000.00 due to the Obamacare mandates! So, yes, I'm sick and tired of paying for everyone else!
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napsdufroid (2077)
7 years ago
Well, paying for those who don't is never gonna stop. And not everyone can work 3 part-time jobs, even though it sounds noble. The rising costs are one of the big flaws of Obamacare. As I initially said, it's very flawed as is, but was a step in the right direction. And due to the outright greed of the ins. companies, I have no problem with the government putting low caps on what they can charge without limiting peoples' coverage. But of course it's doubtful that'll happen anytime soon. Certainly not under this administration. I dunno, I still believe socialized medicine is the solution. TRUE socialized medicine, not something the insurance companies can pervert for more profit.
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napsdufroid (2077)
7 years ago
"You're right I was painting all with a broad brush; I should have wrote most of them."
So if most Dems are dimwits, as you say, so are most repubs. Proven daily in the news.
"It's not right to take from me and give to others."
True, as a basic principle, it's not. But again, this is NOT something that started with Obamacare; we were ALWAYS paying for others in one way or another.
Your homeowners' rates were likely raised because it's a high-risk area. If you live in Tornado Alley in the Midwest, for example, your insurance is naturally going to be higher for that kind of damage.
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