You will never understand until you stop listening and believing to lies and deceptions. Learn the full unfiltered truth about socialism, its origins, branches, and how it is a complete deceptive lie.
Your twisted perspective of what democracy is has blinded you to the true meaning of “individual liberty” and “freedom” which are based on the Constitution.
If you really understood about socialism and everything that comes from the left you would know that 99% of a leftist-democratic government ends up in a dictatorship, tyranny, and oppression. The so called “socialist-democrats” want nothing more than to destroy the “constitutional republic” which apparently you know nothing about.
-In theory, Russia is a federal, democratic state.
-In practice, it is believed that virtually all power in Russia is in the hands of its president, Vladimir Putin.
-Putin has ruled Russia since the year 2000.
-Since Putin took power in Russia, he has been accused of eroding human rights and democratic freedoms in the country.
On paper, Russia is a federal democratic state. In practice, however, many regard it as a dictatorship built around one man, President Vladimir Putin, who has been the leader of the Russian Federation since the year 2000. Russia has all the working parts of a democratic state, but since Putin took power, experts believe these working parts have been made to serve him and those close to him. Today, many believe that Putin now controls all levers of power in the country.
"Democracy is the road to socialism." -Karl Marx
“The goal of Socialism is Communism.” -Vladimir Lenin
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-type-of-government-does-russia-have.html
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The USA is a constitutional Republic, NOT a democracy.
The United States is not a democracy and it wasn't meant to be one.
Our “Constitution”, “Declaration of Independence”, or “Bill of Rights/Amendments” does not use or mention the word "democracy".
What we have is a "representative democracy" also known as an "indirect democracy" which is also used by several other countries that have already descended into a monarchy or some form of dictatorship; or headed into one.
The term “liberty” appears in the due process clauses of both the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments of the Constitution. As used in the Constitution, liberty means freedom from arbitrary and unreasonable restraint upon an “individual”.
Individual Liberty: The liberty of those persons who are free from external restraint in the exercise of those rights which are considered to be outside the province of a government to control compare civil liberty, political liberty.
Real Individual liberty vs. a socialist-democracy eg.(a percentage of people that take away the rights of the others).
What makes the US constitution different and unique to all other countries and their constitutions is this:
-Rather than govern by the rule of a sovereign, the United States Constitution dictated rule by popular consent with laws drafted by the people's representatives.
-The power of the idea was in the recognition that people's rights are granted directly by the Creator - not by the state - and that the people, then, and only then, grant rights to government.
-“Real liberty is not found in the extremes of democracy, but in moderate governments,” Alexander Hamilton wrote. “If we incline too much to democracy we shall soon shoot into a monarchy, or some other form of a dictatorship.”
-Thomas Jefferson lamented that “a democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51 percent of the people may take away the rights of the other 49.”
-James Madison argued that democracies “have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”
-John Adams concluded that democracy “never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.”
https://pacificlegal.org/the-united-states-is-not-a-democracy-and-it-wasnt-meant-to-be-one/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIq-z9xdqt_QIVkNqGCh3esABHEAAYASAAEgJpZfD_BwE
https://nccs.net/blogs/our-ageless-constitution/the-unique-idea-of-the-american-constitution#:~:text=Tweet,then%2C%20grant%20rights%20to%20government.
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
None of the above here is backed up by any sort of evidence. I await evidence the "socialist-democrats" in the US want to "destroy" the "constitutional republic".
I also await the explanation for how my country, the Uk, Scandinavian countries which are certainly more 'socialist' than the USA have not devolved into a "dictatorship, tyranny, and oppression".
I know Russia is autocratic. Some of the posters on here are pretty hostile to democracy in practice, so I am not sure of the relevance.
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
Once again, you have proven that you don't give a shit about facts or proof.
Since you are clearly another brainwashed leftist, you will not understand or see it any other way.
It would be the same as asking a brainwashed chinese communist civilian and they would also deny that they are living in an oppressive and authoritarian socialist government.
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
You haven't given any evidence for your claims. What you insist without evidence I can dismiss without evidence.
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
Why don't you try searching for the actual unbiased truth...but that would be impossible for a brainwashed leftist.
I provided a link and you immediately deflected with your own biased opinion as you have done with me and everyone else.
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
You provided me a link to the Russian government being autocratic. I already know this. These were the claims I asked you to back up:
I await evidence the "socialist-democrats" in the US want to "destroy" the "constitutional republic".
I also await the explanation for how my country, the Uk, Scandinavian countries which are certainly more 'socialist' than the USA have not devolved into a "dictatorship, tyranny, and oppression".
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
Why do you continue asking questions when you will simply deny and deflect them? and then continue to play coy.
You are too brainwashed to be reasoned with or you are actually a woke-bot.
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
I am "denying" or "deflecting" nothing. You make claims, I ask you to back them up.
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
I presented a statement and link that relates to that statement, but you immediately deflected. You must be the beta version of chatGPT-2.0.
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
You gave me a link on Russia. I already know Russia is an authoritarian state. I asked you about your other claims.
I also await the explanation for how my country, the Uk, Scandinavian countries which are certainly more 'socialist' than the USA have not devolved into a "dictatorship, tyranny, and oppression".
I know Russia is autocratic. Some of the posters on here are pretty hostile to democracy in practice, so I am not sure of the relevance.
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
I don't care about your country because my response was not about the UK. It was about the USA, democratic-socialism, and Russia in regards to your conversation between you and chilone.
I'm not going to answer questions to which you already know the answers to but you continue to play coy. You are already biased to whatever answers of "facts" and "truth" are provided.
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
You specifically claimed: "you would know that 99% of a leftist-democratic government ends up in a dictatorship, tyranny, and oppression."
Why are we not seeing this in European countries?
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
The fact that you don't recognize it confirms that you are brainwashed to it.
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
So essentially you're going "I have no evidence, people should just take me at my word".
How is the UK, Sweden, France etc a dictatorship?
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
You mean like when you said, hey, these communists say that China is not communist and that is my evidence so I can tell others that very same lie and because they should "just take my word for it". LOL
Once again, I'm not discussing those other countries and I never mentioned them except you. If they are then you would be too brainwashed to recognize it and no evidence will change that. If they are not, give it some time.
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
Except that I actually provided multiple sources of analysts observing China no longer, in practice, functioning like a Communist state. Only one of them included an interview with a Chinese economist. And are you assuming that every single Chinese economist is a liar?
Once again, I'm not discussing those other countries and I never mentioned them except you. If they are then you would be too brainwashed to recognize it and no evidence will change that. If they are not, give it some time.
So what are all these examples of leftism leading to dictatorship and oppression then? Do you not consider much of Europe relatively leftist?
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
You provided lies.
China is one of the five "Official" communist countries. That is a historical fact that it still in practice today. You went out of your way to find lying sources to back up your biased opinionated narrative.
Once again, you are still playing coy with more questions.
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
China is one of the five "Official" communist countries. That is a historical fact that it still in practice today. You went out of your way to find lying sources to back up your biased opinionated narrative.
I'm not going down this boring road again. I've made my position clear. China does not function, in practice, as a Communist state. I've given you multiple sources that analyse how the modern Chinese state functions economically. That it maintains the skin of Communism is not relevant. Clearly they still wish to present that way, but it is very much a state capitalism system now.
You never once ever addressed any of the sources I provided.
Once again, you are still playing coy with more questions.
You made the specific claim that leftism inevitably, "99%" of the time leads to dictatorship and oppression. Since most of Europe is socially and economically generally more progressive and leftist than the USA, I'm asking you to explain why most of Europe is still comprised of secular democratic states?
In fact the only countries backsliding democratically in Europe are right-wing reactionary countries like Hungary.
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
Your position is still the same that you searched and found lies that support "your opinion".....so why do you continue to play coy by asking more questions when you are just going to find more lies to refute them in order to support your opinionated narrative?!
As long as you are biased against the facts and truth in favor of your opinion, you will never get it.
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
Your position is still the same that you searched and found lies that support "your opinion".....so why do you continue to play coy by asking more questions when you are just going to find more lies to refute them in order to support your opinionated narrative?!
What makes them lies? You haven't even looked at the articles. I had to explain to you what they were.
What "facts" am I biased against?
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
Playing coy again.
You are the Coy-Bot. 🤖
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
If you are unwilling to actually debate with me in any sense, why do you even reply to me? It's just rude.
I'm happy to talk with whoever, be honestly if you have nothing to actually say to me, then why are you even responding?
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
I responded to both of you in reference to Russia and how it was associated to my statement.
You did not have to reply back since I did not ask any questions or make any inquiries to you.
While others debate; you deflect, than play coy, than deflect again, ...over and over.
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
If you make accusations against me, I will reply. It's that simple.
It's obnoxious to interact with people when you have no desire to actually engage.
I kindly ask you that if you have no desire to engage with me, to just not do so.
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
If you are afraid of accusations, than you are on the wrong website.
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
I have no problem with accusations. I purely dislike it when people hurl accusations and claims my way and refuse to back them up when challenged. It's childish.
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
Than you should not have replied to me to begin with. Now you are contradicting yourself.
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
I am willing to engage with whoever engages with me, so there is no hypocrisy at all.
If you do not wish to engage with me, then you are free to stop replying.
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
But that is just it. You don't engage. While others debate, you deflect and play coy over and over.
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
I never said that the US was not a representative democracy. Every country that uses democracy is a representative, or indirect democracy. When I use the term "democracy" I am not suggesting "direct democracy". Your very explanation about my usage here is based on a strawman of something I did not mean.
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
And I never said that you did.
Than say what you mean, not what you are trying to suggest. Be clear and direct.
It was a clarification to the 1st part of my statement. Do you comprehend English; apparently not.
You literally deflect more than anyone else on this site.
Oh, BTW:
The CCP maintains that despite the co-existence of private capitalists and entrepreneurs with public and collective
enterprise, China is not a capitalist country because the party retains control over the direction of the country,
maintaining its course of socialist development.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_market_economy#:~:text=The%20CCP%20maintains%20that%20despite,its
%20course%20of%20socialist%20development.
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinese-communist-party
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
The CCP maintains that despite the co-existence of private capitalists and entrepreneurs with public and collective
enterprise, China is not a capitalist country because the party retains control over the direction of the country,
maintaining its course of socialist development.
This is otherwise called "state capitalism".
https://www.csis.org/analysis/chinese-state-capitalism
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
Also called "Communism".
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
I disagree. It makes no sense to call it that. China isn't going to drop the aesthetic because they've always done it.
Do you also think that North Korea is "democratic" because they claim to be?
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
You are deflecting again and playing coy. This is not about NK.
Read both links above.
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
I've read them. I disagree with the conclusions. On the Wiki it also says:
"Du and Xu concluded that China is not a market socialist economy, but an unstable form of capitalism"
In fact most of that paragraph concludes that China is not really a communist economy anymore. Note socialism =/= communism.
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
Of course you disagree, I expected no less from you.
You are mixing economy with the ruling government.
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
Communism is chiefly a system that proposes a way to run the economy. The Wiki article linked mostly agrees with me on the point of how China functions now. It's just the CCP denies it (because of course they do).
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
LOL, now you conveniently admit that they are liars and deniers.....just like you and the other leftists.
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
When have I ever given you the impression that I think the Chinese government are honest?
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
The entire time that you were denying that they were Communists.
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
I denied that they function as a Communist state. I did not deny that they present to the world as one. They are otherwise, and more importantly, an authoritarian totalitarian one-party state.
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
.....aka "Communist".
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
No. There are plenty of totalitarian one-party states that are not communist, past and present.
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
But China is Communist.
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
I disagree. We're going round in circles. You suggested that being an authoritarian one-party state is basically just a synonym for Communism, but this is not true.
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tvfan (13756)
2 years ago
So you are back to lying and denying.
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Skavau (15993)
2 years ago
Disagreeing with you is not lying. If you refuse to actually engage with me and just throw insults at me, kindly fuck off. It's rude and childish.
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