Stricter gun laws will mean only the criminals will get guns and crime will increase - Politics Discussion

[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

If you want to be a slave, I invite you to move there.

Your screen name is an oxymoron.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

wanting to change things makes me unpatriotic and I need to move? when you disagree with Biden or did with Obama you should have "moved there". wanting changes in your country is a bad thing? how did anything ever progress since the founding fathers? Where is "there" by the way?

also they aren't slaves

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/freedom-index-by-country

they are freer than us.

thank you for your insight into my screen name but so far you have not given me anything logical and in fact quite the opposite. I hope your second reply is better thought out and possesses this logic you are such an expert on.

my comment was nothing but pure logic. "if criminals and mass murderers are easily able to get guns, they will continue to use them. making it harder for them to get guns will reduce gun crimes and mass shootings." works everywhere else! why do facts not apply to your United States of America?

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

Change for the sake of change, yes. Wanting to fundamentally change the foundation of our country, abso-fucking-lutely! The fact that you think you can "progress" things since the Founding Fathers is proof of your narcissism and arrogance. The Constitution is not dated and no, you're not smart enough to change it. Intellectually stunted individuals like yourself (liberals) never take into consideration anything even remotely resembling the concept of unintended consequences.

Your comment about "moving there" makes no sense whatsoever and if you possessed any logic, you'd know that.

"Freer than us" my ass.

Your comment is completely devoid of logic. We already have tens of thousands of gun laws in our country. Murder is already illegal. Yet morons like yourself think that disarming everyone who didn't commit the crime, will somehow prevent it. Yes, very logical. Proof that the "logical leftist" is not only an oxymoron but that the person who thinks his/herself as such, is the biggest moron of all. Probably a sock anyway.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

No not change for the sake of change. Change for the sake of proven reality addressing a massive issue.

its not about "progress for progress sake".

its about :hey we have this massive problem and seeing what best worked to address it in other places. whether its looking at other US states or countries. There's no shame in it. that's how it works. it's like one country say Germany starts using dogs to sniff out drugs in the 1950s and you saying "No!!! we will continue to use manual human searches for drugs! using dogs is just progress for progress sake!". it just happens the issue in the US is with crime and school and mass shootings. Other countries have found more comprehensive background checks as one example helps weed out even more mentally unstable people getting guns. it'll never

if you already think everything is perfect and nothing needs to change then you are hopeless. even the founding fathers thought things would have to change with the time.

yes they are freer. if you measure freedom solely in "I can buy all the guns" then sure. if you measure freedom in my ability to economically climb the ladder then America doesn't even rank top 15. if you measure it in a free press, the democratic press corporate whores vs the republican press corporate whores are good? how about the two party system? your politicians represent you and you actually think your political system works and is the best? it gives you amazing political freedom to have your politicians owned by the rich?

Yes murders illegal and? murder is also illegal in Canada and Germany. so they shouldn't have any gun laws?

you questioning my logic while saying "murder is already illegal" is one of the silliest things I've ever read. Terrorism is also illegal, I guess airports and border control shouldn't do anything to stop terrorism. drugs are also illegal, I guess we shouldn't empower border control and have other preventative measures.

you gave me nothing. nothing logical anyways.

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[–] kspkap (13570) 2 years ago

” Change for the sake of proven reality addressing a massive issue.”

Damn our forefathers for adding a 2nd Amendment! How dare they!

With that said in jest, there’s a huge difference between the U.S. vs Europe, Japan, etc.
It consists of 4-6 pages. What is the difference?

THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES which includes the 2nd Amendment!! This Amendment has been adjudicated several times by the SCOTUS’s rulings…the 2nd Amendment stands as written!

Killers gota kill! Murderers gota murder!

”Toronto is the most recent of many deliberate attacks involving vehicles”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/23/list-fatal-vehicle-attacks/544603002/

I would wager my last dollar you blamed the drivers of the trucks! But, on the other hand you blame the guns, not the murderers who pulled the triggers!

”A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for either good or evil, being neither in itself, but DEPENDENT UPON THOSE WHO POSSESS IT."

ERGO pressure cookers, machetes, baseball bats, knives, etc.

”SCHOOL AXE BLOODBATH Russia school attack – Girl axed in head as maniac teen injures five and launches Molotov cocktail”

” As the terrified pupils aged 12-13 fled the flames they were hacked down by the assailant, who was waiting by the door with a hatchet.”

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2067875/masked-teen-launches-molotov-cocktail-and-axe-attack-in-classroom-chopping-pupils-finger-off/

This occurred in Russia, but major assaults and murders are happening all over Europe…and not with GUNS.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

you are truly one unstable person. yes the forefathers could not have predicted in a time where guns took 30 seconds to load, that automatic weapons and handguns would exist.

the forefathers also knew the constitution would change and that rights were not 100% inalienable. everything has restrictions.

is that why armies use trucks to ram and knifes instead of firearms? yes anything can be used to help or hurt. that's why things that are more dangerous and capable of hurting or causing mass damage are regulated on a scale

-a knife anyone can buy but not kids
-a car requires licences and insurance
-a gun requires licensing and training and a background check in certain countries
-a more dangerous restricted firearm requires a more thorough background check
-grenades and RPGs highly illegal and strongly regulated.
-a nuke unattanable

KSP could you say something logical please.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2067875/masked-teen-launches-molotov-cocktail-and-axe-attack-in-classroom-chopping-pupils-finger-off/

your own link disproves you! not one person died in the axe attack, while constantly at least ten, and up to 21 in Uvalde died when the weapon is a gun.

you prove my point better than I ever could. If you were an axe we would say you are sorely in need of sharpening.

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[–] kspkap (13570) 2 years ago

”your own link disproves you! not one person died in the axe attack”

Only because he was caught. I’m sure the student in a coma appreciated the axe being sunk into her head! It was one Molotov cocktail. He could have pitched three or more. Of course you would have blamed the attempted murderer and not the weapon.

You are most definitely adept at skirting and dancing around the horrendous attacks which have murdered and lamed for life far more people than the 21 in Uvalde. You dismiss those attacks because it weakens your leftist hogwash.

”that's why things that are more dangerous and capable of hurting or causing mass damage are regulated on a scale”

So, trucks are regulated on a scale. I wasn’t aware of that info. Did that come to be after over 84 people were murdered? I suppose the truck by itself murdered those poor souls.

How many were murdered by Sarin gas in Japan in 1995? If you recall did you blame the gas or the terrorists. I wager again you blamed the terrorists and not the Serin.

Of course you blamed the fertilizer bomb which murdered 168 poor souls in Oklahoma City instead of Timothy McVeigh. And you call me illogical?

In 1990 87 people were murdered by arson. Again, I’m sure you blamed the fire and not the arsonist.

Finally, your kind would blame the 4 planes for murdering over 3,000 on 9/11 & not the terrorists.

”FBI data shows nearly 3x as many people were killed by knives than rifles of any kind in 2020”

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/fbi-data-shows-over-2-5x-people-were-killed-by-knives-than-rifles-in-2020/

You are the illogical one. You blame inanimate objects for murders & suicides. I’ve yet to see or hear about a gun firing itself! Have you?

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

can you name one mass school shooter who wasn't caught?? or turned then on themself?

they all either get caught or commit suicide. and why was he easier to apprehend? because he had a GUN. your link proves my point. guns are more dangerous than knives and axes and need to be regulated.

thank you for your support!

So, trucks are regulated on a scale. I wasn’t aware of that info. Did that come to be after over 84 people were murdered? I suppose the truck by itself murdered those poor souls.

who said a truck did it by themselves? im saying some things have more capacity for damage/death than others. this is only the most obvious thing in the world you are denying because your broken brain can't admit facts.are you really disputing that a truck can be used to cause more damage than a butter knife? or a gun more than an axe?

where did I dismiss Uvalde? uvalde proves my point too. there's at least 5 ways that insane kid would have been stopped if the US had stricter gun laws like Canada.. which I listed for someone else.

is that why the US army is armed with not guns, but knives instead? lethality is apparently a new concept to you.

and a plane as we saw on 9/11 can be an extremely deadly tool. hence why we use a high level of security. but by your logic we shouldn't have regulation and checkpoints and border security because "fire is just as dangerous!!! you wouldn't blame the fire would you?"

im not even addressing the rest of your nonsense. you are mentally slower than a snail and possibly ill.

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[–] kspkap (13570) 2 years ago

I repeat:
”You are the illogical one. You blame inanimate objects for murders & suicides. I’ve yet to see or hear about a gun firing itself! Have you?”

”FBI data shows nearly 3x as many people were killed by knives than rifles of any kind in 2020”

You continue to miss my point. The point being guns don’t fire themselves. It’s not the weapon to blame, be it a gun, knife, airplane, truck, baseball bat, etc. It’s the evil doer using the instrument of murder. You skirt the facts. Read the sentence above again. More people were murdered by knives than rifles of ANY KIND in 2020 as per the FBI.

Why aren’t you calling for more knife control? You can’t because it doesn’t fit your narrative. You are fixated on guns as being the only weapons of murder. Instead your replies to me are insults and lobbing ad hominem attacks at me. I’m fully aware firearms can take out more people in one incident, but even if all guns were confiscated murderers would devise other means to fulfill their agenda.

As I wrote prior murderers have to murder. The psyche of these killers has
changed. Why? What has occurred in society which creates mass murderers? We had gun clubs in high school. I walked to school with members of these clubs. They had their rifles on their shoulders, but no one feared them. Fighting was done with fisticuffs…not with guns.

Again: ”A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for either good or evil, being neither in itself, but DEPENDENT UPON THOSE WHO POSSESS IT."

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

who said guns fire themselves? grenades also don't pull their own pins and RPGS Don't fire themselves. should we make these easy to get?

yes and as I said before we have a scale of how easy it is to get things the more dangerous they become.

ummm because anyone can go and get a knife at any store and anyone can make one. vs a gun. also when was the last mass schools tabbing that resulted in 20 dead kids?

your own axe example proved my point.

but even if all guns were confiscated murderers would devise other means to fulfill their agenda.

that's why they literally never do. not the sharpest knife in the drawer I see

none of your arguments proved your points. more nonsense republican garbage spewing.

so why doesn't the rest of the west have this issue?

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[–] kspkap (13570) 2 years ago

Tsk! Tsk! Nothing but insults and illogical reasoning from you.

”… because anyone can go and get a knife at any store and anyone can make one. vs a gun.”

And you continue to dismiss:

”FBI data shows nearly 3x as many people were killed by knives than rifles of any kind in 2020”

BTW, you are aware handguns can be made from a 3D printer. Surely you knew that and those doing so have become quite proficient.

”A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for either good or evil, being neither in itself, but DEPENDENT UPON THOSE WHO POSSESS IT."

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

yes its so illogical to say that more dangerous objects are more regulate and harder to get. again tis why they sell nukes on every street corner right?

meanwhile you just keep saying "the guns can't hurt someone its an object" like a broken NRA record. I've already shown is nonsense.

yes and how many school stabbings happened? nope they always use guns. so lets use a common sense plan to address that which every country uses.

HAHA have you seen the 3d printed guns? they certainly haven't become quite proficient. proficient ones are rare, and even those don't work or last. there's a reason guns aren't made of plastic . also they going to manufacture their own ammo too? you are woefully uninformed and are spouting nonsense. its easier to buy a gun than print one. so you've enabled mental cases to get them already and saying "nahhh we can't and its not do anything to stop them". ou have dead kids blood on your hands

”A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for either good or evil, being neither in itself, but DEPENDENT UPON THOSE WHO POSSESS IT."

yes so lets implement common gun legislation all other developed countries have that stop bad people possessing them. Which has shown to be unquestionably effective and work in preventing them getting guns.

It seems you struggle to read KSP. and instead chose to regurgitate the same junk over and over again despite what I write.

maybe take a breather and learn how to read.

I've exposed your lack of logic and utter nonsense multiple times now. just just regurgitate it again and show everyone here you do not posses a brain :)

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[–] kspkap (13570) 2 years ago

”The good thing about 3D printing is its ability to adapt, overcome and make more efficient, so compared to the original models of these guns, there will be developments that make them better.

There have been many developments with 3D printed guns and they are becoming a lot more durable than before.”

”You might be surprised at just how well 3D printed bullets can perform!”

https://3dprinterly.com/do-3d-printed-guns-actually-work/

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

great so finally your argument has the slightest relevance after doing nothing for decades you could wait til 2022 and say "see look they can make them".

but still changes nothing about the fact you keep enabling crazy people and gang members to easily attain far better durable legal guns.

so you still have no argument ksp. congrats. thank you for supporting gun control

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[–] kspkap (13570) 2 years ago

OK 🤷🏼‍♀️👋🏻

No use beating a dead horse! Sorry, your stall has been taken since your demise. Or was it the village?

A final word, I just had a red laser installed on my firearm. Others are doing so also. If you ever notice a red dot on your chest…run like a bat out of hell! That is sound advice. I know if I noticed one on me I would drop to the ground and head for cover!

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

it is berating a dead horse when you won't actually address what I say and instead say "a gun is a tool it can't hurt anyone" strawmannirg gun controls advocates entire argument. because you now you can't address the real one.

what are you even saying? this is the reason you gun nuts get made fun of and are a joke globally. you prob use a cane and no one is scared of you.

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[–] kspkap (13570) 2 years ago

”Your screen name is an oxymoron.”

LOL! 👏🏻👏🏻 He’s a damn narcissistic Troll 🧌 stirring his cauldron of 💩! He knows all…he sees all…🔮

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[–] B1cKsurN (17484) 2 years ago

He also literally cannot think for himself, and needs other people to do it for him. Peer reviewed of course lol.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

yes science uses peer review. you sure showed me...

dodging my post though.

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[–] snepts (11123) 2 years ago

And you're just a plain and simple moron, you fuck!

YOU MOVE TO WHATEVER HELL HOLE YOU CARE TO CREATE. THE GOOD PEOPLE HERE ARE TRYING TO UNDO ALL THE SHIT YOU AND YOUR SHIT HEAD PALS HAVE MADE OUT OF WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN A BEAUTIFUL WORLD.

KEEP DANCING EVERY TIME WE HAVE A MASS SHOOTING. YOU OBVIOUSLY LOVE EVERY DROP OF INNOCENT BLOOD SPILLED. FUCK !!

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

Me "can we please do this obvious thing and actually reduce deaths and crimes"

You "KEEP DANCING EVERY TIME WE HAVE A MASS SHOOTING. YOU OBVIOUSLY LOVE EVERY DROP OF INNOCENT BLOOD SPILLED. FUCK !!"

you appear to have some sort of mental instability.Have you spoken to someone?

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[–] AmeriGirl26 (14484) 2 years ago

Nice job chewing him up and spitting him out. I rather enjoyed it. Thanks for the show :)

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[–] Information-Police (4890) 2 years ago

Do you think that people in countries that have serious gun restrictions consider themselves to be slaves? Just about every study puts the US low on the freedom scale.

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

I really don't care what people in other countries think.

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[–] Information-Police (4890) 2 years ago

Lol.

Ok, then, how are people in this country who don't own guns less free than you?

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

Because some asshole can break into their home with ill intent and they're powerless to do anything about it. If their government decides to overstep its authority, they're powerless to do anything about it. You're literally depending on the benevolence of your fellow man.

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[–] Information-Police (4890) 2 years ago

Ok, well I know many people who have been shot to death by an acquaintance who thought they were an intruder, or accidental discharge of a gun or suicide by gun than people who have used a gun to thwart a home invasion.

When was the last time you used a gun to stop ac government from overstepping its authority?

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

You know many people??? You know a lot of gun owners? You know a lot of them that had accidental or negligent discharges that resulted in a person's death? You either have a lot of unlucky friends or you're a hell of a poor liar.

It's a funny thing, I've been an ardent shooter since childhood. I don't mean a passing interest either, it's what I do. I've never known anyone that happened to. I do know people who have used a firearm in self defense. One was a thwarted home invasion. It's comical how you dummies go on and on about mass shootings in one breath and then in the next talk like we don't live in a world where bad things happen to good people, even though you can never turn on the news and not see a story about just such an occurrence. Some kind of selective stupidity or something.

Here's what I think. You shirk your personal responsibility for your own safety, even though the police are not accountable for your personal safety. You live without guns and somehow convinced yourself you don't need them. It's not a freedom you place any value on whatsoever and by extension, you don't think anyone else needs them either. In short, you are cowards at heart.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

overcompensating for your small D I see. amazing how no other developed nation has this problem. your dystopian idea of totally unarmed populace living at the mercy of criminals armed to the teeth.

why is it americas criminals have more guns than these other countries with strict gun control?

your entire narrative was just destroyed.

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

Why do liberals constantly try to connect guns to dicks? Is your insecurity that debilitating? Are you really that allergic to masculine behavior, objects and symbols?

Other countries are irrelevant. Not only is our situation unique but we really don't care. We didn't care in the 1770's and we don't care now. Why do you think we should care?

I have no "narrative". I have facts. We have a Constitutional right to firearms. There are millions of them. There's no getting around that. You're not going to negotiate us out of our liberty, nor are you going to forcibly disarm us. You're a fucking Canadian anyway. What kind of loser sits on a forum and throws up 30,000 posts on the politics of another country?

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

you seem to be overcompensating soo much.
hahahah you shooting a gun is "masculine"/ who is insecure again? you literally need a gun to feel like a "Man"

other countries are relevant. because it demonstrates reality. reality you hate.

you don't have facts, you have a narrative that you constantly push.

so Craig when are you advocating for RPG and artillery ownership?

aww Craig you have nothing. you are whining again and pushing right wing conspiracies. you should talk about Benghazi next

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

More projection. I don't need an inanimate object to feel like a man. I am one.

Other countries are not relevant. We lead, we don't follow but you're a beta male so you don't understand that. Hence your need to connect manhood to inanimate objects. People like me make you uncomfortable.

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[–] Information-Police (4890) 2 years ago

I've knowm a lot of people in my life,
But not an exceptional number. I funny think I'm uncommon.

These people who have thwarted crimes - I've grilled many who claim that and I haven't found any incident where the gun was essential to thwarting the crime. Other than maybe emboldening someone to intervene when there is trouble.

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

Typical liberal detachment from reality.

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[–] AmeriGirl26 (14484) 2 years ago

Easy. In Europe, they simply murder with different weapons than guns. Favorite weapons include knives, sharpened shovels, poison, anything that can serve as a club, and trucks. Terrorists, on the other hand, never seem to be short on guns compared to the European pansy police, if the Charlie Hebdo Massascre is any indicator.

In Japan, their justice system is very swift and harsh. I read two different horror stories about American women that were wrongfully imprisoned because one happened to be in the same room as her dishonest travel companion, who had smuggled drugs without her knowledge; while the other was imprisoned simply because the guard at the mall store she was visiting had a quota to make, and used his people's racism of white foreigners to accuse her of shoplifting, even though camera footage later proved that she had never taken anything from the store. You don't want to know how much worse the Yakuza are when they enact their form of "justice."

Keep in mind that the lamestream media is trained to sell a story to the American people, an erroneous one that says nobody outside the govt. and the elite should be allowed to have guns. They keep pumping out stories of crazy people opening fire for no discernible reason, but then ignore stories about people responsibly using guns to stop many more mass shooters than what makes it to the news. Some of those mass shootings are even staged by the CIA when the news about them gets slow, if the Broward County false flag operation was any indicator.

This is done to try wearing the public down to the one day the Uniparty prays to Satan for (I'm not talking about you, Mr. 2016) when the Second Amendment can be destroyed, and the govt. can take over America in the totalitarian way that makes them salivate every night.

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[–] Keelai (34972) 2 years ago

Guns are much more lethal than a knife or club. Gun nuts continue to arm criminals, crazies and kiddies with guns which explains the reason gun deaths are extremely high in the U.S.. Guns are now the #1 cause of death for children in the U.S..

Gun owners rarely stop mass shooters. It would make more sense not to arm a mass shooter with military-style weapons.

Second Amendment was referring to only state militias - not individuals.

Gun nuts are sick!

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

Then maybe your media should stop glorifying murderers, eh? Maybe your legislators should stop being soft on criminals? In fact, YOU and people like you are the ones that create these monsters in the first place. Then you want to disarm the rest of us to save yourself from your monster.

For example, mass shootings almost always happen in "gun free" zones. So how the hell is a law-abiding gun owner going to stop it? Seems to me, that's a problem YOU created.

We already know your reading comprehension is terrible, so it's no surprise you don't understand the 2nd Amendment.

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[–] Keelai (34972) 2 years ago

"We have a murder problem in America — especially in red states

In 2020, homicide rates were a stunning 40 percent higher in the 25 states that former President Donald Trump won compared to the 25 won by current President Joe Biden. Of the 10 states with the highest 2020 per capita murder rates in America, eight of them not only voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020, they voted Republican in every presidential election this century.

Mississippi — a state that neither conjures up weak on crime images nor Democratic officeholders — topped the charts with a 2020 murder rate twice that of blue Illinois, thrice that of bluer California, and four times that of bluest New York. The red states of Louisiana, Kentucky, Alabama and Missouri rounded out the top five and each had murder rates at least six times Massachusetts, four times New Jersey and just shy of twice that of Michigan.

Media coverage is essentially mum about Lexington, Kentucky, which has set back-to-back murder records, has a homicide rate twice that of New York City and has a Republican mayor. Tulsa and Oklahoma City have Republican mayors, a Republican governor and murder rates that dwarf that of Los Angeles. Jacksonville was the murder capital of Florida in 2020 with its Republican mayor, governor and a stratospheric homicide rate that if it were matched in New York City would’ve added more than 1,000 murders that year.

And to top it off, the homicide rate in Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-Calif.) San Francisco was half that of House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy’s (R-Calif.) Bakersfield, the largest city in Kern County and one with a Republican mayor — with overwhelming Trump support and not a whiff of flirtation with defund the police movements. In fact, the murder capital of California for six years running is sleepy Kern County."
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/3274797-we-have-a-murder-problem-in-america-especially-in-red-states/

Gun nuts = Republicans
Gun Violence = Republican states and municipalities

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[–] Keelai (34972) 2 years ago

Unlike you, I read the entire Constitution and know American history.

It's clear the amendment is in reference to state-run militias being protected from the federal government. In those days, some states feared the federal government could gain too much power and attempt to dominate them like they had been under the the British monarchy.

Neither did they trust the Federal government to have a standing army! So they limited the power to create and maintain an army with Congress and no longer than for 2 years to meet an emergency situation:

Article I, Section 8, Clause 12:
[The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

You have to read the entire Constitution - not just one sentence taken out of context, you dolt!

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

Where does it reference "state run militias"?

No, people like you have been trying to twist the 2nd Amendment into something it is not for years.

Again, you're quoting manipulated bullshit numbers. In other words, leftist propaganda.

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[–] Keelai (34972) 2 years ago

You wouldn't need to ask if you had read the entire Constitution.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

yes and how often to mass stabbing happen in a school where 10-25 kids die? Guns are more deadly and regulation correlates to the danger of said weapon. its why guns re harder than knives to get, and grenades way harder if not impossible.

the fact you had to reference the Charlie Hebdo Massacre, an event that happened 7 years ago as proof the terrorists are armed to the teeth and France also has a problem with shootings, proves my point. also 11 died in that attack, vs 22 kids alone at Uvalde. meanwhile should I name the shooting that happened in the US a month ago? or the one a month before that? or the one a month before that? or the month before that?

you really thought saying "hey look at Frances shooting 7 years ago is equal to the US's monthly shootings". you proved my point for me.

Japans justice system is broken. which has absolutely nothing to do with their ban on guns working. Japan is an extreme example but the fact gun regulation works is born out in every single western country. so what are you even ranting on about?

its not about any delusional MSM conspiracy you have in your head. its about the cold hard facts. who said you can't have guns? do you even know what gun control is? ahhhhh yes they are CIA false flags.

you are clearly mentally unstable

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

You idiots that are so easily duped by mainstream media propaganda think a mass shooting is the worst thing that can happen. It's a funny thing, we didn't have them 50yrs ago. We also had kids taking guns to school for shooting and hunting afterwards. What changed? Access to guns? Nope. The way we raise our children due to liberal activism? Yep. Liberals NEVER own their failures.

"Works"? For whom? Like I said, if America is such a terrible place and Europe is such a paradise, move. You're not going to disarm and enslave me to make you feel better based on false pretenses. Maybe you cowards should try taking responsibility for your own lives and personal safety first?

We know full well what "gun control" is. I've been in this fight for over 30yrs. It's about control and you're not going to get it.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

yes imagine thinking 20 dead kids alone in Uvalde because conservatives are fighting gun control is a really bad thing.

liberal activism led to mass shooting? you are a crazy person :s yes mass shootings is about personal safety... just like getting robbed or raped is you the victims fault too. the idea we need to arm the citizenry to the teeth and its their responsibility to stop mass shooters, rather than having common sense laws that have been shown time and time again to work, and allow responsible people to own guns while lessening mass shootings. is one of the craziest things I've ever heard. you maybe need to look at yourself in the mirror.

you've bought into the propaganda so badly you are blaming dead kids on them not being responsible. you've been on too many of your conspiracy sites.

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

Again, more proof about your screen name being an oxymoron. You have no logic whatsoever.

Your first sentence is a 100% false equivalence. Those kids are dead because a lunatic shot them. Now, you can blame the inanimate object and people who did not commit the crime all you want but it does nothing to address the underlying cause.

Liberal activism has had a profound effect on the way children are raised and educated. It has had a profound effect on the way criminals are treated. It has had a profound effect on the way the justice system works, or doesn't work. No, I don't expect you to admit it because you're part of the problem.

All citizens are responsible for their own personal safety. Even the courts ruled that the police are not. The fact that many people don't take that responsibility seriously is part of the problem.

Please outline what "common sense gun laws" wouldn't prevented the Uvalde shooting. Particularly those you think are "proven to work".

No, I'm blaming dumbasses like you for creating "gun free" zones, which are a veritable killing field for the innocent. Do those laws work? No.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

its illogical to think a strategy that worked 100% in other western countries, is a failure and the US with its mass shootings is a success? welcome to upside down conservative land.

Yes I will blame the ease to which crazy people can get the inanimate object without a doubt. just as if grenades were deregulated and nut jobs were buying them and throwing them in packed rooms id also blame the ease to which granades are accessible. this is only logic 101.

the underlying issue is mental illness, an the ease those people can get guns. what have republicans proposed to address mental illness?

yes liberal judges are why people have a mental illness and do mass shooting because they can go get a rifle and ammo in 24 hours.

don't you scream and cry about the lefties in other countries? why if other European countries ands Canada are also infected with these poorly raised kids and weak liberal judges, where are their shootings??

again blaming me and dead kids for getting shot. classy.

So answer if you dare. why do these horrible liberal countries with liberal judges not have mass shootings every month? if raising and judges and a weak justice system are the problem?

you want the common sense gun laws? Lets take Canada for example.

-it takes at least 3 months to get a gun and gun licence in Canada

-there is a mandatory training seminar (where the trainer can disqualify them if they feel this person is dangerous)

-there is a mandatory thorough police back ground check.

- for "restricted weapons" an even more thorough background check is done, which may include interviews.

- restricted weapons require more training, and on top of interviews may require a third party to vouch

-magazine sizes are highly regulated and smaller

-transportation of guns is regulated and the gun must not be loaded

-storage of guns at homes must be done in a responsible manner and locked. for "restricted firearms" guns must be in a special gun cabinet.

-no motifications like bump stocks are permitted.

There's no single answer.
how would it have stopped the Uvalde shooter? likely in multiple ways.

1. he would have needed a special restricted licence
2. he would need proof of the proper storage which he didn't have
3. the mental health and police checks of him would have likely picked up something wrong
4. his grandmother likely wouldn't have vouched for him.
5. she likely would have been interviewed.
6. the waiting period and extensive training course likely would have made it out of reach for him. that's if the instructor didn't sense anything wrong with this clearly unstable kid

just as for illegal drugs there is no one single thing cops do. like gun regulation its a myriad of things that help ensure responsible owners get guns and ill people don't.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/in-fighting-gun-crime-canada-has-an-american-problem-1.6004198 Canadas domestic gun laws work so well in fact. That it has to be undermined by your broken, unregulated backwards gun law system. infecting them as like a sickness.

Now before you say "ahh ha see proof the guns laws don't work!". well yes they do, it's just our broken system is ruining theirs. it's like Mexico deregulated grenades and they start coming over the border en mass. it doesn't mean America isn't regulating grenades, it means another countries domestic policy is affecting our own.

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

Those countries passed laws that conflict directly with our Constitution. If you want to live under those laws, move there. Because you're not going to enslave me to find out how dumb you are.

There is no logic in your rhetoric but tons of ignorance.

Referring to anything related to guns in the US as "unregulated" is proof of your colossal ignorance.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

they really do not at all. the forefathers wrote it at a time when guns took 30 seconds to load. How could you possibly say "yes it applies to ar15's but not automatic sub machine guns". have your right to bear arms. it doesn't mean we do not need some regulation to ensure crazies don't shoot up a school.

Haha anyone who disagrees want to "enslave you". I do not know you but I have to assume you are on medication.

you seemingly could not address my arguments and ran away from them. You do not have the intellectual prowess for adult debate

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

The laws that keep crazies from getting guns are already in place. You want to expand the list of potential victims.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

they objectively aren't. how many times do I need to educate the village clown on this?

its why every single other western country has similar rules, that stop crazies getting guns. and the one exception, the US doesn't have these rules, and they get guns.

try logic for once village clown. I know it is hard for you but you can be better. stop being so dumb.

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[–] Keelai (34972) 2 years ago

"All citizens are responsible for their own personal safety. Even the courts ruled that the police are not"

Link?

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

They want some sort of dystopian hellhole where everyone is living in fear and armed to the teeth

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[–] Keelai (34972) 2 years ago

That's true. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

No, we just live in the real world where bad shit happens to good people. You live in fantasyland.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

yes which happens a hell of a lot more including school kids getting shot up. you act like this is the normal and there's nothing you can do about it. I've given many suggestions proven to work in 20 other countries.

and yet you still repeat "ohh well that's just life". no it isn't. not to the extent the US experiences it. but you won't do anything to address it. its why I educated you and you still remain ignorant

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

There you go, putting words in my mouth. You couldn't educate a housefly. No idea how dumb you are. The Dunning-Kruger Effect in full swing.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

which words did I put in your mouth? get specific village clown.

this also wouldn't be the dunning-kruger effect... you don't see to know what anything means

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

Your whole post, idiot. I never said or implied those things.

Your entire ideology is predicated on lies.

It's absolutely the Dunning-Kruger Effect. You know actually very little but after five minutes of Googling, think you have it all figured out. This is the liberal way, find just enough to support your pre-determined position and ignore the rest. Objectivity does not live in the liberal mind.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

sooo you have no argument. you also don't understand the dunning-kruger effect. you just use buzzword/terms you hear.

get educated. stop being dumb

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

One more time, I never said those things. Now you're deflecting.

I'm well aware of what the Dunning-Kruger Effect is all about and it applies to you. You're a typical low information liberal. You 'think' you're enlightened but you are not. I'm educated, you are not.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

that's not deflecting either. holy cow learn what terms mean.

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

You're ignoring the fact that I never said those things you accused me of and focusing on the Dunning-Kruger Effect comment, which you clearly do not understand. That's deflection, stoopy, I mean Keeliar.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

how could I be on ignore if you are replying.....

dunning Kruger now deflection. is there a term you use right? next up say its a "slippery slope"

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

Another deflection.

Dunning-Kruger Effect running wild, Keeliar.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

that is not what the dunning-kruger effect is....... how dumb are you?

why are you replying if im on ignore. Craig needs attention because his real life is unfulfilling. im off to bed. maybe by tomorrow you can figure out how to click an ignore button. apparently even that is to mentally strenuous for you.

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[–] Keelai (34972) 2 years ago

Link? I'm still waiting.

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/do-the-police-have-an-obligation-to-protect-you

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[–] Keelai (34972) 2 years ago

Worldwide as well as national statistics show much fewer gun deaths with stricter gun laws and less guns.

You clearly don't understand your own link:
rif.org

If you believe police are useless, then you must believe they should be defunded and all police departments closed.

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

You asked for a link, I provided one.

No, stupid. I said police are not legally obligated to protect individuals. They are not your personal security force. They are 'law enforcement', they enforce laws after they are broken. The answer is in the question. Which is a statement of fact.

I also said YOU are responsible for your own personal safety. Also a statement of fact. I see you have nothing to navigate around those facts.

Worldwide statistics are irrelevant. Why don't you get that?

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[–] Keelai (34972) 2 years ago

You don't understand the way law works. It's to protect police from lawsuits if they fail to protect, but their job is still to protect.

"they enforce laws after they are broken"
Not true. They have many duties including patrols which is meant for protection and prevention.

Uvalde Polcie website:
"The City of Uvalde Police Department serves the community by protecting citizens and property, preventing crime, enforcing laws, and maintaining order. The Uvalde Police Department is committed to provide superior police service to the public in order to protect life, property and the freedoms provided by the Constitution.

The Uvalde Police Department welcomes and encourages citizen involvement to help us make your neighborhood safe. If you have reason to believe that someone is involved in criminal activity, please contact us to report suspicious activity. Your report will remain confidential."

The Uvalde police did not do their job:
"Texas House investigative committee released its 77-page report in July, cataloguing a series of failures and “egregious poor decision making” by the almost 400 responding officers and people who should have been in command. The report concludes that bad judgment permeated every level of law enforcement on the scene, from the school-district police force (under Arredondo’s leadership) to the Department of Public Safety even to Border Patrol, which ultimately assumed control over the situation."

"Three months after the shooting, the Uvalde school board voted to fire Pete Arredondo"

"In late October, the DPS fired Sergeant Juan Maldonado over the shooting without clarifying his role in law enforcement’s response. Though the DPS put seven of its troopers under internal investigation over the summer, Maldonado was the first to lose his job."

"Survivors of the shooting are suing for $27 billion" The police, school, government, etc.. Also two other lawsuits include gun store, manufacturer, etc along with criminal charges:
https://www.thecut.com/2022/12/what-did-police-actually-do-in-the-uvalde-shooting.html

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

You don't "understand" a damned thing.

They can say "serve and protect" all they want. Legally, they are not responsible for YOUR protection. If someone breaks into your house with evil intent and the police do not show up in time to stop it, they are not liable. It's YOUR responsibility, not theirs.

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[–] Keelai (34972) 2 years ago

Your repeating your ignorant comment doesn't change the fact that the cops are being held accountable for not protecting those children.

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

My ignorant comment is based on a ruling by SCOTUS. Idiot.

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[–] Keelai (34972) 2 years ago

You lost this debate since the cops are being held accountable for not protecting those children.

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[–] CraigC (8276) 2 years ago

No response to my link, liar?

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[–] AmeriGirl26 (14484) 2 years ago

Didn't it bother you that the cops weren't allowed into the UNLOCKED BACK DOOR of the Uvalde school in question? They could have gotten in there and stopped him, but their CO told them to hold back first. Who the hell tells the cops not to save kids? Or were you paying too much attention to the mentally ill shooter, who was completely ignored by the FBI just like the Broward County shooter was, despite all the red flags? I actually read a story about a mom who broke into the school easily and got her two kids out before the shooter got to their classroom. She was arrested, but took the arrest in stride, because her kids are still alive today.

I bring up the Charlie Hebdo Massacre because it illustrates that France (along with other countries in Europe) were so anti-gun, that even their cops weren't armed, and they got their asses kicked. The terrorists who shot up the magazine's HQ would have never gotten as far as they did if the French cops had been armed. But they weren't, and more people died than should have. And for someone who thinks things that happened a long time ago don't matter, "Logical" types like you seem to love making a big deal about slavery and "white supremacy," which also happened some time ago.

Monthly? Seriously? As far as I can tell, we only get 2-3 major shootings that make national news every year. Or are you listening to local news from Chicago, or should I say, Shitcongo? People get shot there every few minutes, and it has very strict gun control laws. Detroit, on the other hand, had muggings and other crimes go down the moment Concealed Carry became legal. I mean, if you're a criminal, are you more likely to attack people you know are unarmed, or people you don't know are armed or not?

Gun violence does happen in Japan, it's just not reported on unless it was so big the people couldn't ignore it, similar to what happens in Europe, where they don't report on non-gun-related violence unless too many people witnessed it. Remember, European press have a similar anti-gun agenda to our American press. Also keep in mind that in Japan, the police are allowed to do their job, no matter what color people are involved. There's a reason foreigners can often find their lost possessions still sitting there if they leave them by mistake in a public area: nobody wants to go to jail in Japan over theft.

Do you truly think the CIA exists to help America? They have been responsible for some of the worst mass murders in America. They don't spy around to help our country. They do it to stay in power in the shadows. If you knew even half of what they did behind the scenes, you wouldn't like them much either.

Do you wan to know the difference between a Republican "conspiracy theory" and publicly accepted truth? 6 months

And for someone who loves projecting, you only proved my point in the fact that the mentally unstable one is the guy claiming to be "Logical," and yet illustrates the joke the rest of us call "liberal logic." You think you're all such big heroes, trying to fight for every cause, but all you are are either idiots or villains trying to wear masks to fool us into think you're heroes. Please remember that the next time you see one of your beloved politicians walking around with armed bodyguards while dumping on guns verbally.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

what does anything you wrote in that first paragraph have anything to do with anything?

pardon???? the shooting which happened immediately and within 10 minutes. it never would have happened if average French police were armed? it was a sudden freak attack. and not as if the terroists were roaming the streets gunning down people for hours and the weak unarmed French police could no nothing. French police are armed you liar. have you ever been to France?

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/4cddaf8afc606b888abeeed6fcdc1a111cd63476/0_0_2975_1984/master/2975.jpg?width=620&quality=45&dpr=2&s=none

there are gendarmes with automatic weapons dressed in military outfits in airports and near the Eiffel Tower. This must be news to French police! who all at least carry a 9mm Ruger Mini-14. You are making up lies now.

I am no longer addressing anything more of what you wrote. you are lying and making up figments of your imagination on topics you don't know a thing about

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[–] AmeriGirl26 (14484) 2 years ago

Aww, running out of material to attack me with? Getting tired? I just got warmed up and can do this all day, and yet you sputtered out within just two rounds. Poor thing. You're no smarter than Keeliar or Korwalski, and apparently don't have the backbone for it either. Just proves you're a coward and a fool, just like every other leftist in America. Good day darling. It was fun annihilating you.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

I don't need more material. What do facts matter? just make up that French police are unarmed. All you did was prove you are a liar and are manufacturing delusional alternative realities to score points. I proved it with my link. a quick google search tells the exact model of gun.

yes you sure annihilated me.When arguably in public French police are more armed in public than US police. are there US police with automatic weapons standing around US monuments?

you've only exposed yourself as a imbecile and liar. can you please admit you lied and manufactured those things? have some sort of backbone and dignity.

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[–] Keelai (34972) 2 years ago

Why do you support giving military-style weapons to a mentally ill 18-year-old? Those cops with guns were afraid to enter.

600+ mass shootings in the U.S. for a third year in a row.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3749222-us-passes-600-mass-shootings-for-third-straight-year/
Frequent U.S. gun violence is in INTERNATIONAL news every few days.

"The terrorists who shot up the magazine's HQ would have never gotten as far as they did..."
Of course, they would! They killed the employees before any police were called.

"France (along with other countries in Europe) were so anti-gun, that even their cops weren't armed"
You're very ignorant. French cops are armed. The cop in the building was shot before he had a chance to pull out his weapon. The cop who was called while they were fleeing shot at them, but he was shot and killed. There was a woman cop who was killed a few days later, also.

There are different types of police in France. Gendarmes, national police and municipal police. Some municipal police may not carry guns because they're in rural areas and small towns with duties that don't require them.

You're comparing an extremely rare terrorism act done by militarily-trained, radicalized terrorists in France vs everyday American citizens armed for fun with military-weapons killing each other in epidemic proportions every day.

"not reported"

You're being silly! Americans are gun nuts with a "gun culture" and the rest of the world knows this. American 6-year-olds are shot to death in elementary school and Americans shrug. One mass shooting in Australia, and they strengthened their gun laws pronto which helped them to avoid becoming like violent Americans.

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[–] TrentnQuarantino (9218) 2 years ago

> Keep in mind that the lamestream media is trained to sell a story to the American people, an erroneous one that says nobody outside the govt. and the elite should be allowed to have guns.

Never have heard that anywhere. Do you mind pointiing to a "lamestream" media story where this is a proposed policy?

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[–] javie (2216) 2 years ago

Loads are free if you wanta grab one.

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[–] CowherPower4Ever (241) 2 years ago

This is such a naive viewpoint it isn't even funny.

First of all, how many other nations not only have a huge gang problem, but have one huge problem with it in a neighboring country(Mexico)? Gangs that operate on moving guns and drugs.

Secondly, maybe most important of all, what other nation has the gun culture that we do? I do believe the amount of hunters alone in the US far exceeds most or every nation.

Those two points alone should help you get the idea of why harsher laws on getting guns isn't always the best answer. Now, if our leaders would address the gang problem in the US, then maybe we could take step in the direction you are looking at, but we all know that won't happen.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

Plenty. you think the US is the only one with gangs? Neve heard of hells angels?

Yes the influx of American easy to get guns have made their way to Mexico. thank you for backing me up again! Mexican drugs come in, American guns go out. thank you for contributing to the gang problem in Mexico too.

same as Canada. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/in-fighting-gun-crime-canada-has-an-american-problem-1.6004198 .Illegal American guns are easier to get in Canada than Canadian ones.

plenty. they just have responsible gun culture.

you don't seem to know much on this topic. you mischaracterized the Mexico issue, ignoring the US's contribution to it. blaming Mexico somehow when its American guns going there.

and then said "its gun culture"

okay and? so you can't have common sense regulations?

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[–] CowherPower4Ever (241) 2 years ago

You didn't address anything I said actually. Mexico has a big gang issue, drugs and guns, and its coming in and out of the US at will because we have no real border, especially if you have the means, and we both know gangs do.

The US gun culture is certainly unmatched, stop trying to dodge that. All you have to do is look at how many hunters there are here.

We already have gun regulations in the US, duh! Can I go out and legally buy an actual weapon of war? No! The issue is some of the legislation ideas being tossed around would hurt your average American trying to buy a gun for protection.

Now, you might be asking why so many people need protection in this country. Gangs once again are the problem. Most mass shootings in the US are gang related. That doesn't mean they are big time gangs you hear about on the national news, but they're still local gangs.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

for the second time you misdiagnosis the symptom for the cause. The guns are coming in and out not because of the border. but because of the garbage and backwards gun laws. making it so there's millions of stolen, illegal and even legal guns being sold there.

yes and other countries have it too, and their hunters are unaffected by gun laws. its about common sense gun laws, that's it that all.

Can a mentally insane person get a gun because the FBI doesn't get back to the store with a background check in 2 hours, duh!! yes! It wouldn't hurt any average person, just as no average person is hurt by it in Canada. does it mean you have to wait sightly longer? yep! would it lessen mass shootings/ sure would!

for the third tine misdiagnosing the symptoms for the cause. if people need protection from gangs with guns its because the loose backwards gun laws ensures gangs got guns, which then there's people now need even more guns to feel safe from.

cool and yet the US still has some non gang related mass school/mall/cub shooting almost every second month.

but keep making excuses for mass slaughter

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[–] kspkap (13570) 2 years ago

You might be interested in the following. I say might because it counters your illogic reasoning. Yes, the information is 7 years old, but it still has standing.

https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

the first sentence warns its questionable research. you proved my point again. how the US has had more mass shootings than all of Europe combined. congrats and thank you for helping me.

we can now agree gun control is the solution thanks!

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[–] kspkap (13570) 2 years ago

What in the hell are you blabbering about? You read what you wanted to read. We have NOT ”had more mass shootings than all of Europe combined.”

Please explain so we can understand how you determined that info.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

now now just repeating what I said to you? it seems this is the end of your "wit". also not addressing my longer response to your other dribble.

how? surprised your pro gun right wing outlet presented data in a way to make the US gun problem look good?

it takes basic understanding. why is Norway weirdly number one? because it has such a tiny population that the single mass shooting they had with Andres Breivik skews the data to make it seem worse than the US. you honestly believe Norway has a worse mass shooting problem than the US? this is what happens. Serbia is #2. they have 7 million people.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/united-states-lower-death-shootings/

"In 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015, there was not a single death from a mass shooting in Norway.

If we compare the number of mass shooting deaths each year to the population of Norway each year, using the same method we did for the United States, we get an average annual death rate of 2 per million, more than 20 times higher than the rate in the United States (0.09 per million), even though we know there were zero mass shooting deaths in six out of those seven years, in Norway."

You don't come looking for genuine facts. you come to post your skewed bias nonsense. if you calculate the Median other than mean you get a more true albeit still inaccurate look.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/02/mass-shootings-in-2022/

600 alone in 2022 in the USA. while 1 in 10 years in Norway means Norway has a "higher rate of mass shootings" according to your source? total and utter nonsense

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[–] kspkap (13570) 2 years ago

OK 🤷🏼‍♀️👋🏻

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

the facts scared you away I see.

its what happens when right wingers try and use gun advocate sources who don't tell the full picture and chose methods that support their nonsense and ignore reality.

it only took about 5 minutes to find the issues with this pages methodology. Apparent five minutes is too long for you to make sure you are sharing good information

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[–] CowherPower4Ever (241) 2 years ago

You keep ignoring the facts here. Gangs will always have guns. Sign into law any gun legislation you so dream of, and guess what, gangs and dealers will still get guns. This cannot be denied. Thus, mass shootings will still be an issue. How to you propose to solve that one? Isn't so easy, now, is it?

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

No facts were ignored. it's my post. you decided to go on a tangent about things that in no way effect ym argument. then you stomped your feet that I wouldn't change the topic to yours which largely focused solely on gangs.

but sure ill bite.Gangs have and continue to get guns due to the past and continued system today of lax gun laws thanks largely to republicans.

if we do changes will it get rid of them overnight ? hell no. would it start reducing their ability to get new ones and over years with serious legislative changes a significant anti gang initiative as a short-medium/medium? without a doubt.

yet republicans continue to fight for and protect the lax gun law status quo, ensuring mentally ill people getting them and mass murdering, as well as gangs have a continued steady access to guns.

thank you republicans! you have dead kids and dead peoples blood on your hands.

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[–] CowherPower4Ever (241) 2 years ago

That simply is not true, it might be true of smaller gangs, but larger gangs will still have no issues getting guns and bringing them into the country. Just look at our war on drugs to prove that much.

It is totally illogical to believe the mentally ill are the ones doing most of the mass shootings. It just isn't true. When a gang banger shoot up 4 or 5 people in his neighborhood, are you blaming the mentally ill. Of course not.

Your point of this thread is to showcase how other nations do not have the guns deaths that we do. And there are many reasons why that is absurd. Which I've now mentioned throughout my posts here. Just people you don't want to hear them doesn't mean they're not true.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

the guns are coming from the US not being imported so what are you even saying?

thanks for proving my point. US guns are sent for South American drugs. Your policies literally fuelled the drug war and armed Mexican gangs making them so strong.s

you proved my point thank you.

I purposely separated my sentence. mentally ill people doing most of the school shootings. notice how I separate mentally ill doing mass murders, and gangs in two separate parts of the sentence? reading is your friend.

The US gun laws are so disgustingly broken, 70% of illegal guns confiscated in Canada are from the US. Canadas domestic gun laws work so well, that domestic Canadian guns are largely not being stolen or produced domestically illegally and sold to gangs. They come from the USA due to the broken system infecting Canada like a disease.

there are so many reasons its absurd you couldn't point to any, except to just say "the US is magically different" and then mix up the cause and effect. you then acted as if guns are being imported to say it'd be impossible to stop and make it about the border, when its domestic guns.

easy access to guns is the cause, the effect is well armed gang members

instead you act as if the cause is large gangs , leading to the effect of easy access of guns

you are factually and objectively wrong.

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[–] brux (14729) 2 years ago

No reason to think that. The experience other countries have had shows it not to be true.

I agree with the crazy people hypothesis. The problem is when you looks at American, and the life the American system has foisted on the world, for people not in the eye of the American system all the forces ...
- sick care instead of health care, for economic exploitation
- prison experience instead of school experiences
- edible drugs instead of natural foods
- artificial garbage experiences in media instead of inspiring human behavioral modeling
- push indigenous people to the wastelands and poison them
- noise and illogic instead of news and analysis

Our whole system combines to push the average person off into the weeds by insulting every aspect of what we know about the requirements of a healthy human being. And to avoid dealing with the situation a system of brainwashing no less sinister than what we used to talk about after 9-11 when we heard about political Islam. We have our own Islam that creates people just as crazy.

Maybe the difference is that our media tools and understanding are more modern, effective and technological and work better to program productivity and produce profit than some other societies.

There isn't a problem with guns in every society that has a large amount of gun ownership.

So, why does the US choose to handle problems like this in such a simplistic and ineffective way?

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[–] moviechatterer (15777) 2 years ago

But then why isn't this the case in every single other western country in the world?

simple, your country is already swamped with guns and 50% of the people will die before they give them up .

Its too late.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

I do agree with this conclusion. I simply wanted conservatives to at least finally admit their reasoning is flawed

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[–] Freddy (1325) 2 years ago

have had heard for many years the fear of taking guns away fiction for fools who don't know what is right from wrong no one needs an assault rifle, or automatics to hunt unless

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[–] ultravioletx (10237) 2 years ago

The guns are the problem. They infect the culture to the point of insanity.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

americangirl told me the Charlie Hebdo massacre only happened because French police are unarmed and stood around and did nothing. Despite the fact

All French police carry 9mm's
French police are actually more armed than US police when they patrol. they patrol the airport and monuments like the Eiffel Tower with fully auto weapons.

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[–] ultravioletx (10237) 2 years ago

Ameritard put me on ignore, then included me in one of her callout threads.

Dullest tool in the shed.

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[–] LogicalLeftist (869) 2 years ago

ive noticed a few of them love to spread their lies then flee to a safe space when asked for evidence

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