But then why isn't this the case in every single other western country in the world? why do places like Japan have almost no gun crimes. why are there not mass shootings every week in other countries?
why aren't there mass shootings like in the United States and criminal running rampant on the streets and intimidating unarmed citizens.
Now before you blame the "liberal judges". I can't think of a single mass shooter you can say was able to do so due to their rulings. The issue isn't soft hearted liberal judges, its crazy people having easy access to weapons and ammo.
Ie every Democrat party run shit hole in the country. Don’t expect their brain dead lemmings to put 2 & 2 together. They’re waiting for their next set of spoon fed instruction.
Your overly broad argument here and your over-simplistic reasons are weak and meaningless. Sounds like you just posted this to argue.
> why do places like Japan have almost no gun crimes.
It could be that strict gun laws in Japan keeps already low gun crimes low. Japanese gun crime has always been low, at least since the war, because Japan is qualitatively different history, circumstances, and society. In other words it is not applicable to the US.
> why aren't there mass shootings like in the United States and criminal running rampant on the streets and intimidating unarmed citizens.
We don't really know what there is in Japan. But there was the subway poison gas attack, so groups dedicated to violence and murder do exist. They probably have crime and crazy people attacks as well, just at a very much lower rate because Japan has a more close knit supportive society. Japan has a more social supportive society.
> its crazy people having easy access to weapons and ammo.
Other countries have easy gun access and do not have mass murder and crime. That would imply it is the number of crazy people that makes the real difference, and that they have easy access to guns in the US is an amplifying factor. That is the only real argument that stands up. The US is saturated in killing and violence, and abuse, and hate. Republicans are all about maintaining that and even increasing it. We, and the UK as well, have societies that fragment people and are aimed at destroying social cohesion.
Japan is an extreme example. there is around 25 western countries who all have similar gun laws to each other more lax than Japan and all seem to largely stop what is happening in the US.
you've seemingly latched on to my Japan comment when I clearly say "and other countries" because you think its a weak point. its all you have
yaaa your one example happened in 1995! you are pointing to an event almost 30 years ago as "proof". when mass attacks using guns happen almost once a month.
Other countries have easy gun access and do not have mass murder and crime. That would imply it is the number of crazy people that makes the real difference, and that they have easy access to guns in the US is an amplifying factor.
NO, NO THEY DONT. stop lying like you did with your Russian post. name one western country with as lax gun control as the US?
you are right about the amplifying factor, which is my entire argument. the each of access is an amplifying factor to crazy Americans allowing them to commit these attacks. its something you don't see in any other western country
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That's the point, you use extreme examples to make your invalid points, and try to make it up by being strident and an asshole, making personal attacks. That's why thought there is about 6% honesty in your comments, I cannot take you seriously. You don't really know how to think or argue, and you certainly cannot do either in a civil manner.
no I don't at all. I didn't go into any sort of detail in Japan. I actually mentioned it separate from other countries because it's extreme and I didn't want to lump it in with them.
I don't need Japan, the 20+ other Western countries which I mentioned demonstrate it too.
"that's why thought there is about 6% honesty in your comments"
-says the person who claimed 320k Ukrainians were missing
-who claimed the commanders were stealing the money and hiding it offshore
-who claimed women were being sex trafficked.
your source? "a guy said it". that guys source? none I can find.
" you certainly cannot do either in a civil manner."
you spread the worst misinformation and still haven't taken account. who would be civil with a lying sack of poo like yourself?
Very well said. Nice to see someone thinking logically without bias leaning one direction or the other (with a one-line exception).
The root problem isn't the guns themselves, it's culture and behavior. And yet, a few legal tweaks to help prevent guns from falling into the hands of those who behave badly and have little regard for human life would indeed help. Anyone arguing against a few minor measures that could help curtail risky ownership, or who rail vehemently against registration, mandatory training, etc., isn’t thinking things through logically. Having said that, however, illegally owned guns comprise the majority of shootings in the U.S., and no law would prevent that. Only a paradigm shift of culture and behavior would, requiring effort over time, or something drastic.
To bolster your statement about other countries, just look at Switzerland. Kids learn to shoot, many are armed (with restrictions), and yet they treat each other with respect, with very few shootings, many fewer mass shootings. And even just look at U.S. history compared to today. Even 50 years ago kids drove to school with gun racks full of guns in their trucks. But the insanity going on today was much less frequent. Why? Culture, behavior. People respected each other more. It wasn’t nearly as all about “me” as today.
The below quotes from the second article highlight how views from both sides of the U.S. political aisle have merit:
In Switzerland, men aged 18-34 who are “fit for service” are all trained and conscripted into the Swiss military, and women who are of age can also choose to enlist. Military personnel are provided with a Swiss Army gun and trained to use it, and the weapon becomes theirs for the duration of their service. They undergo mandatory training when they are 18 and then considered to be part of the Swiss militia until they reach the age of 35, with shorter periods of mandatory training in between to freshen their minds on tactics and safety. Historians say that this tradition of keeping their civilians armed is largely what kept the Nazis from invading Switzerland in WWII.
When the Nazis invaded the rest of Europe during WWII, they determined that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly, because every man in Switzerland was not only armed and trained to shoot, but also ready to fight for their country. This preparation kept Switzerland out of the war and earned them their reputation of neutrality. Even today, Switzerland’s borders are equipped with explosives at tunnels, bridges, and other entryways as an extreme tactic against outside forces, which serves to protect their citizens at any cost.
Unfortunately, “we’ve” forgotten how to work together, and instead further entrench into self-perpetuating belief and ideological bubbles, trapped by self-imposed tunnel vision. Just like blending Eastern and Western philosophy produces a more balanced individual, “we” need to relearn how to compromise and blend Left and Right views into a more balanced society as a whole. We need to relearn how to stop taking everything so personally, to keep ourselves open to other ways of thinking, and stop being so goddamn tribal. True strength comes through making oneself vulnerable without granting undue power to others to affect how we feel and react.
The only sentiment in your entire post I disagree with is “The US is saturated in killing and violence, and abuse, and hate. Republicans are all about maintaining that and even increasing it." That's a greatly oversimplistic view, and is completely counter to the intent of most Republicans (minus the small contingent of loud-mouth assholes). Both sides of the political aisle contribute to this problem in different ways, and most of it isn’t intentional, but rather unintended byproduct. The situation is complex and nuanced.
And let's not forget that a certain 6% of the entire population commits 50% of all homicides in the U.S. due to conditioned cultural behaviors that evolved over decades. Then there’s the ever-increasing tribalism spawning escalating hate over the past few years. And today there’s an utter lack of respect for firearms (which does not mostly come from the Republican side of things), as well as each other (something that’s developed at both ends of the political spectrum). Those are the fundamental problems.
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> Nice to see someone thinking logically without bias leaning one direction or the other
Well, that's supposed to be the goal.
> (with a one-line exception)
Do tell.
> And yet, a few legal tweaks to help prevent guns from falling into the hands of those who behave badly and have little regard for human life would indeed help.
I don't think there exists tweaks to keep guns out of the hands of bad guys. At least simple tweaks and not at this time.
> illegally owned guns comprise the majority of shootings in the U.S., and no law would prevent that. Only a paradigm shift of culture and behavior would, requiring effort over time, or something drastic.
Most of the problems in the US are systemic, they are metasticized into our system from a cancer that grew out of, as a root cause, slavery and genocide in America. This is shown really well in Greg Palast's latest movie on voter suppression in Georgia, called "Vigilante". It was out there for free while the election was going.
We want to think America is competitive and that competition makes us merit based, but that is a massive pile of BS. We have a mind-fuck world view that is forced on people in way that drives them to be angry and violent, and our media and culture reinforce that - and all of it ends up sustaining our culture of tyranny, while we hold up this facade of democracy and exceptionalism.
> Why? Culture, behavior. People respected each other more.
That's way too glib. Not that there is a non-glib to describe this problem, but if I had to try I'd say it is due to there being a lot more information available to the average person, and a lot more people who realize that they are being fucked over by the system to keep people who deserve no respect and who are basically criminals in power. I'm not sure I would call that culture, but most of America seems to be about creating or forcing this "fake culture" onto people though mass consumerism and media. But that is why it is a sick culture - it's more brainwashing and distortion and isolation from reality than it really is a living organic evolving human culture.
We used to have a culture, a young hopeful culture that a lot of people in the world wanted to come here and join just to be Americans. We flushed that down the toilet in order that our oligarchs could compete with the oligarchs of the most corrupt countries in the world.
A lot of great points and insights here, and this is a big one:
We flushed that down the toilet in order that our oligarchs could compete with the oligarchs of the most corrupt countries in the world
As a society we've allowed this to happen. We the people need to pull our heads out the sand, out of our phones, out of our screens, and stop viewing the world through a Left/Right lens, instead seeing it for what it is: a Powerful Elite/Everyone Else spectrum. There is no genuine Left/Right. There's a vast, complex array of shades and colors that are falsely grouped, often doing so ourselves. Sure, those oligarchs, in both business and government (which are largely the same thing anymore) are charlatans virtual signaling and paying lip service to their various constituents solely in the pursuit of more and more power and wealth, and that's on them. But it's our own fault as well. We let it happen, content with entertainment and self-gratification instead of striving to actively maintain a civil, cohesive society (which itself needed work, but we've greatly backslid).
There are signs that some people are starting to wake up, but it may be too little too late. As the public we need to stop giving power over how we think and feel to others, especially those with nefarious motivations of self-interest, and start taking that power back through self-organization, not against each other, but against those in power. One thing I don't agree with is that it stems solely from historical slavery/genocide (although a factor, for sure). I'm old enough to know an era where we'd completely gotten past all that and healed from it. But something happened somewhat recently to tear that down, I suspect largely due to idle hands, so to speak, i.e. things were so good that "we" started inventing problems that had already largely been resolved.
While I agree with many of your points, I suspect you've fallen into the ideological, belief-based trappings of false narratives, which skews your perception of reality. The blame isn't just on right-leaning elites. It's on all of them, regardless of claimed political membership. Those on the Left are better at disguising it for their constituents, but in many ways they're worse.
Of course, then Trump came along and greatly exacerbated the situation (along with those who gave him power over how they think and feel, both the die-hard acolytes and the blind-rage haters). That's my two cents, anyway.
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> ... stop viewing the world through a Left/Right lens, instead seeing it for what it is: a Powerful Elite/Everyone Else spectrum.
The digital breakdown of this, is class warfare. That is, Republicans have always stood for the rich and powerful elite, and they still do. They have spend tens, maybe hundreds of millions of think tanks and media networks to make people think otherwise - that is just another mind-FK.
So, as far as the people being able to perceive this, I don't think it is going to happen because it's like the fish trying to see water ... they cannot see it The analytical tool is mostly Marxism, and there is a powerful taboo in our society against anything Marxist, saying or reading or doing anything other than a violent reaction - programmed in by the elites.
> One thing I don't agree with is that it stems solely from historical slavery/genocide (although a factor, for sure).
A core elite in the US has always been military and exploitative. Businesses today seek to find profits as close as possible to slavery, and they are genciding the poor still .... it's just a slightly different model.
Where do you think Hitler got his ideas on eugenics. Check out Edwin Blacks book the War Against The Weak.
Another thing we do is to condone bullying in the name of righteousness, which is the stem that our police shootings come from. We have this unquestioned meme that they only time you can really beat on other people is when you have authority, that comes from money, authority, power, or celebrity.
If you are a big shot you can do anything you want to the little people. that is pure historic evolutionary outgrowth of slavery and genocide.
The US was the last major historical superpower to renounce slavery, and then after the Civil War we just changed the model and disguised it. Making people homeless is the social analogy to genocide.
No other major Western country treats people like this.
> Just like blending Eastern and Western philosophy produces a more balanced individual, “we” need to relearn how to compromise and blend Left and Right views into a more balanced society as a whole.
It is not something I think we've lost and need to relearn. This is human instinct, and we can see it comes out in a natural disaster - people revert to helping others for the most part.
Like our military discovered in war, a natural human being does not want to kill other people - even if they are the enemy. We had to find ways to brainwash our soldiers to kill, otherwise they would sit in the trenches and fire over the heads of the enemy. And when we did that they became crazy with PTSD, etc.
We've had the same things done to us, the American public, to dehumanize us and isolate us so that we cannot threaten the powers that be. The Powell Memorandum hints at this, and its tendrils are embedded into the stratgegies of social manipulation we now mistakenly call our culture.
This almost totally comes from the political Right ... which is why I stated what I stated that you say you disagree with ....
> “The US is saturated in killing and violence, and abuse, and hate. Republicans are all about maintaining that and even increasing it."
I would not so much say is overly simplistic as it is a first-order approximation.
The irony is that, yes, most Republicans are decent people, and yet somehow they have been manipulated to support a guy who is a super-criminal? To me, and I could prove this logically if I wanted to take the time, it is a corruption of American culture and morality, and it never would have happened if the political Right did not have the cancerous germ of evil in it that began to hemorrhage with the pushing of the Reagan greed is good mentality. That was the root of it all.
I saw it as a kid, and I have seen it grow and sicken this country, perverting all our good institutions with bad money stolen from the people.
Yet, we've have record gun sales in the US - gun lovers always are proud of this fact - and now we are seeing an increase in gun crimes. Why is anybody surprised at this?
DA MORE DA GUNZ DA MORE DA BAD GUYS ARE SCARED OF DA GUNS
amerigirl or whatever their name is on here actually said the "Charlie Hebdo shooting in France only happened cause French police are unarmed. it only took 2 seconds on google to find the exact pistol all French cops have, not to mention airports and monuments are often patrolled by Gendarme with fully auto weapons.