Homeless in L..A. Finally Get Help - Politics Discussion

[–] Jinx (3813) 3 years ago

This is so wonderful! Depression and mental illness is the primary reason most people are homeless, just having a clean, safe place to sleep will do wonders for their emotional health.

I can't imagine how desperately lonesome and hopeless a person has to feel living like that. This will give them an instant community. I hope they follow it up with healthcare for these lost people so that their only recourse won't be addiction and crime.

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

"...desperately lonesome and hopeless a person has to feel living like that."

So true!

They agree to receive help from their case manager for any addictions, mental health issues, permanent housing and finding work. The tiny houses are transitional to permanent housing.

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[–] Jinx (3813) 3 years ago

I'm glad that there will be some follow up, it's a beautiful thing to give someone shelter but without theat help it's not much good.

It makes me think of Karl Pilkington on the Ricky Gervais pod cast when he was talking about going to visit a tribe out in the middle of nowhere and some big money organization donated a toilet so it would look good on them, but they didn't bother to hook it up or even put a trench under it so it was just a vase with shit in it lol

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

Two million Americans don't have indoor plumbing especially Native American on reservations. That's criminal.

They have already helped many people to find permanent housing. They really need to expand it and build more affordable housing.
https://www.hopeofthevalley.org/tinyhomes/

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[–] Satan2016 (25886) 3 years ago

8x8' room with two beds and no sink. Just like a prison cell without a toilet! Tiny houses are actually 8' by 12-20'.

Does nothing for serious mental illness. They need forced medication and institualization.

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

"They need forced medication and institualization."

Aren't you an anti-vaxxer and Trumpite? I can say the same about you.

Unlike you anti-vaxxers and GQP wackjobs, the homeless have already agreed to being helped so there is no need to "force" anything.

These houses are much nicer than your current prison cell.

New Mexico little houses interior
https://www.bernco.gov/community-services/wp-content/uploads/sites/57/2021/04/Tiny-Homes-Interior-rendering.jpg

exterior
https://www.bernco.gov/community-services/wp-content/uploads/sites/57/2021/04/Tiny-Homes-Garden-rendering-1280x828.jpg

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[–] Satan2016 (25886) 3 years ago

That's a twin bed in 8x12 cabin. Nothing like two singles in 8x8!

"Aren't you an anti-vaxxer and Trumpite? I can say the same about you."

Proving you're a deranged troll who never reads my posts!

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

"They need forced medication and institualization."

Aren't you an anti-vaxxer and Trumpite? I can say the same about you.

You're upset because my response is true about you.

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[–] chilone (18065) 3 years ago

There's no truth in you. You're a confirmed LIAR who LIED about me making racist posts, then disappears when asked to back up your LIES. COWARD.

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[–] Lord Rake (4509) 3 years ago

I remember seeing a documentary on this project years ago, might have been on vice before they really went hard left. I remember they were basically setup for a place where the homeless could drink themselves to death without causing greater harm to the rest of the community.

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

LOL! You watch documentaries?

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[–] Lord Rake (4509) 3 years ago

Only ones on homeless people drinking themselves to death.

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

Unlikely.

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 3 years ago

Putting them in dog boxes won't work for the majority. The homeless will stay there for a while and then they will go back onto the street.

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

Link?

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 3 years ago

Look it up for yourself and stop expecting people to give you everything on a platter.

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

You can't provide a link. Once again, you confuse facts with your delusional mind. I thought so!

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[–] Quasimodo (16388) 3 years ago

Once again Keelai spits the dummy when someone decides not to spoon feed them.

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

At least I can provide links. You need to lie and distort in order to make a point.

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[–] chilone (18065) 3 years ago

And you can't come up with proof that I made racist posts. Why? Because you're a LIAR.

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[–] ItsGood2BeRight (3879) 3 years ago

https://youtu.be/cOBoDT-3oM0?t=264

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[–] Rorikon (18111) 3 years ago

I'm all for this and it looks great from the video and pictures + community building + cleanliness but they should also help them find jobs or have a requirement to look for work (doing calls or handing out resumes for couple of hours a day) as well while staying. What's the point if you still have no form of income and just living off the government dime? How are they to find permanent residence though? Is that the section 8 housing while they're in temp. stay in these shelters?

Limited 3 mile radius but I am pretty sure they won't allow drug addicted users into these shelters as that could raise problems (misplaced needles on the ground if they forget) if not violence.

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

I already provided links to video and already wrote that the homeless are helped. The case managers help them get their documentation like social security cards, IDs, birth certs and anything else needed for jobs. Mental health counseling, addiction treatment to get them on their feet.

Drug addicts can get into treatment centers and when they're released, they return to their tiny house for further help with permanent housing and a job.

The CEO has a good video which explains the program
https://www.hopeofthevalley.org/tinyhomes/.

Many Americans like to see poor people punished and humiliated for some reason. The people creating these tiny houses are trying to show compassion and not punish people for being down on their luck.

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[–] TabbyS (1277) 3 years ago

Be homeless for a few days and see how many in society kick you and beat you down. You'll get stolen from, harassed, and assaulted "just because".

Will that change your mentality? Now go find a job.

Homeless people holding jobs isn't going to change the a$$holes in society who believe in oppression rather than compassion.

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[–] Rorikon (18111) 3 years ago

As a matter of fact, I was homeless once but only for a short while. I was provided shelter after going through some interview with nowhere to stay. During my stay being housed, provided 3 meals a day, getting help with what I needed, I had to also look for another place and find work. Shelters are only temporary, not long term, so you need to be looking for a more permanent residence daily in order to qualify to stay there and then after, you would also need to look for work unless you're happy to live off food stamps and welfare.

Compassion for this matter comes with conditions and limits (some values and behaviors are based on reciprocity, there is an exchange), not freeloading. A society doesn't function if no one's contributing. Why I am all for the Tiny Home Village project as it seems to do what I previously wrote but am not sure if finding a permanent housing is conditional to the client staying there or the people that work there. I guess it depends on the persons 'disability'.

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[–] Burk48917 (11440) 3 years ago

Who pays for them? Who makes sure that these are only for people truly in need, not just lazy fucks wanting a free house?

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[–] TabbyS (1277) 3 years ago

Why can't you be homeless for a few days and try another perspective?

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[–] Burk48917 (11440) 3 years ago

Because I'm not a lazy sack of shit willing to let other people pay my way through life instead of bettering myself. That is the majority of homeless people. Sure there are mental illnesses that force the situation on some people, I'll give them a pass, but that isn't most of them.

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[–] TabbyS (1277) 3 years ago

That isn't how they're described in the Bible - God says they are worthy of life.

It's the people with your character in society that we have to suffer.

The homeless will have a seat at the banquet table while you watch them be served. Amen.

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[–] Burk48917 (11440) 3 years ago

Lol, good one. Say hello to your magic deity for me.

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[–] chilone (18065) 3 years ago

The Bible also says that those who won't work, shouldn't eat. Since you bring up the Bible.

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[–] Burk48917 (11440) 3 years ago

Is that really true? Any chance you know the verse, because I'd love to be able to bring that up.

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[–] chilone (18065) 3 years ago

Thessalonians 3:10-15

"For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat. For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies. Now such persons we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living. As for you, brothers, do not grow weary in doing good. If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. ... "

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[–] Rorikon (18111) 3 years ago

Ah, the bible, that comedic book.

Ezekiel 23:19-20
Yet she increased her prostitution, remembering the days of her youth when she engaged in prostitution in the land of Egypt. She lusted after their genitals as large as those of donkeys, and their seminal emission was as strong as that of stallions.

Leviticus 24:16
Whoever utters the name of the Lord must be put to death. The whole community must stone him whether alien or native. If he utters the name, he must be put to death.

https://www.salon.com/2014/05/31/11_kinds_of_bible_verses_christians_love_to_ignore_partner/

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[–] chilone (18065) 3 years ago

Ah! Another genius who's too smart for God. Good for you! I have read the entire book and I have no problem with either of those verses. You have no understanding and will not, until you open your heart and mind.

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[–] TabbyS (1277) 3 years ago

2 “Son of man, there were two women, daughters of the same mother. 3 They became prostitutes in Egypt, engaging in prostitution from their youth. In that land their breasts were fondled and their virgin bosoms caressed. 4 The older was named Oholah, and her sister was Oholibah. They were mine and gave birth to sons and daughters. Oholah is Samaria, and Oholibah is Jerusalem.

Ezekiel 23

(It helps if you read Scriptures in context.)

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[–] Burk48917 (11440) 3 years ago

Thank you!

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[–] chilone (18065) 3 years ago

🤘

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

The Project employees go to the homeless encampments and start relationships with them in order to gain their trust. They give them the information about the transitional housing and help.

The homeless woman in the video was working, but lost her job because of covid. She and her son lost their home and lived in her car until they received help. Now, she has a permanent house.

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[–] PeaceOnEarth (0) 3 years ago

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

You're welcome.

Although, I can't believe there are some posters complaining about the homeless receiving help in a humane way.

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[–] Bloodshot77 (13969) 3 years ago

Big surprise they're all republicans

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[–] moviechatterer (16049) 3 years ago

bingo

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[–] immattj (4042) 3 years ago

Welcome to the mentally retarded world of The Repugnant Ones: Where men are me & their sisters are afraid.

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[–] Bubbathegut (18147) 3 years ago

Afghani refugees are being given free real houses. Meanwhile Americans are being given closets. Welcome to Dementia Joe Bizzaro World.

https://time.com/6093393/airbnb-afghanistan-refugees/

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

GOP hates socialism, therefore stop whining about wanting a handout.

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[–] Bubbathegut (18147) 3 years ago

I know, no one likes socialism, except those that like free handouts. Why not give the homeless a regular house and not a 100 sq foot closet?

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

A permanent home is the goal.

Conservatives have been brainwashed to believe socialism is bad even though they gladly accept and receive Socialist services like:

Medicare
Public libraries
Public schools
Weather reports
Internet
Farm subsidies
NASA
State zoos
Public museums
National parks
Sewer systems
Snow removal
Social security
three stimulus checks
Amber alerts
Public beaches
Amtrak
The FDA
The FCC
Business loans
Student Loans
The Military
Public housing
Public street lighting
Vaccines
USPS
Fire Department
Police Department
Dams
The Court System
Garbage Collection
EPA
Prison and Jails
Highways, Roads and Bridges
Public Transportation
Air Traffic Controllers
etc.

You get the idea!

I'm going to assume you like these free handouts, but won't publicly admit it.

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[–] JoWilli2 (855) 3 years ago

they are not free, they are paid for by our taxes and corporate taxes...

the government takes about a $900 from my check every 2 weeks...

and social security is just a ponzi scheme, new people have to constantly pay into for it to work...

if I can get a free house, why would anyone want to work?

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

It's still Socialism!

Socialism works by pooling everyone's taxes (some contribute more; some less; some none), then distributing the services/product equally.

You actually are getting the subsidized benefit of saving money with Socialism because paying privately would cost you much more than your $900.

For example:

Sending a letter through the post office is cheaper than through a private company like Federal Express.

Paying for a private bodyguard is more expensive than your nominal tax pooled to finance the police.

Buying prescriptions with Medicare Part D is much cheaper than full price.

Food inspectors keep you safe. Imagine if you had to pay for your own private food inspector or just risk it. Or test your own water.

In the old days, you had to pay firefighters directly for their service or watch your house burn down.

Imagine no snow removal on the roads unless you personally pay a private company or do it yourself. No FEMA so you're on your own during a natural disaster.

A bank fails and you lose your life savings because there's no FDIC.

No private recreation so you have to pay money to use a private park, beach, zoo, etc.. Imagine a day at the beach costing you $250 for the family.

You get the idea. If you hate Socialism so much, I'd like to see you live without it. You can start by getting off the internet which was developed by private companies receiving federal money aka Socialism.

BTW, there are plenty of people who don't work for money. They enjoy it and it brings meaning to their life.

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[–] JoWilli2 (855) 3 years ago

we know its socialism and it only works because the government is run by our taxes.

anyways, why the push to help refugees who had no desire to come here until their Country fell apart? there are prob hundreds of thousands Americans that are homeless or live in poverty that need help. but there is no push to help those people like the refugees, even the poor Haitians who traveled a 1000 miles are told to go back home.

I just find it interesting who we pick and choose to help.

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

Republicans despise the poor and only want to help the rich. The rich developers make housing unaffordable.

Usually, the U.S is involved in ruining a migrant's country with a bad foreign policy. That makes us obliged to help. France and the U.S created the Haitian mess.

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[–] chilidoggg (14439) 3 years ago

"France and the U.S created the Haitian mess."

Well, yeah, that is true, but, ya know, 600 years of colonialism by, ya know, EVERYONE, not just U.S. and France...

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

France made Haiti pay them $21 billion dollars which took 122 years and impoverished them along with the U.S. lead sanctions.

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[–] JoWilli2 (855) 3 years ago

Out of the top 10 richest people in the World, 7 are democrats. so there goes your red herring.

the Haitians created their own mess. its one of the most corrupt Countries in the World and is worse than Mexico, which is hard to do. I suggest you start volunteering your time down there and a part of your paycheck as well. just dont get kidnapped...

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

The U.S. should have welcomed democracy in Haiti instead of fearing it. Helping to overthrow good leaders and backing brutal dictators didn't help.

Meanwhile, France extorted $21 billion dollars from Haiti which destroyed the economy turning it from the richest country in the Western hemisphere to the poorest. France needs to return that money.

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[–] moviechatterer (16049) 3 years ago

just googled that .
quite a story
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2017/12/06/in-1825-haiti-gained-independence-from-france-for-21-billion-its-time-for-france-to-pay-it-back/?sh=3493bd54312b

France demanded 21 billion IN 1885 MONEY!!
from the ex slaves , for not being slaves anymore.
unbelievable.

In 1825, barely two decades after winning its independence against all
odds, Haiti was forced to begin paying enormous “reparations” to the
French slaveholders it had overthrown. Those payments would have been
a staggering burden for any fledgling nation, but Haiti wasn’t just any
fledgling nation; it was a republic formed and led by blacks who’d risen up
against the institution of slavery. As such, Haiti’s independence was
viewed as a threat by all slave-owning countries – the United States
included – and its very existence rankled racist sensibilities globally. Thus
Haiti – tiny, impoverished and all alone in a hostile world – had little
choice but to accede to France’s reparation demands, which were
delivered to Port-au-Prince by a fleet of heavily armed warships in 1825.

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[–] JoWilli2 (855) 3 years ago

we can only blame Obama, he had 8 years to fix Haiti and did nothing to help them. we should send aid and money and volunteers down there to help rebuild their Country. I say we stay for at least 20 years and then just leave.

no need to worry about those people that got kidnapped, we should just keep sending people until the Country is a utopia of democratic freedom!

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

We can only blame Trump, he had 4 years to fix Haiti and did nothing to help them.

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[–] JoWilli2 (855) 3 years ago

He did, we sent millions in aid and nothing happened. just like when Trump send aid and water to Puerto Rico, the politicians kept the money and stored the water in a warehouse.

thats how socialism and liberalism works.

we just need to send more money and volunteers, if they get kidnapped, no biggie, just send more people...

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

According to you, Trump made Haiti perfect so why are you complaining?

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[–] JoWilli2 (855) 3 years ago

no, the money just went to the politicians and nothing happened, which is why the country is a terrible place.

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[–] Keelai (35388) 3 years ago

Trump was an idiot for giving money to politicians.

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[–] kspkap (13570) 3 years ago

Yeah, and in a year the place will look like the streets. Full of litter, urine & feces, syringes all over. Rapes will continue as will other assaults. I can imagine what those shared toilets & showers are going to look like in a few months. Situations may change…people don’t.

For those of you who have jumped on the bandwagon for this venture tend to forget what happens to newly built Section 8 apartments. Landscaping is done, Guess what? Within 6 months the tenants have turned them into dumps. It’s a proven fact when people own something they tend to take care of it. Giving handouts solves nothing…and the hand is stretched out farther next time!

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