”There must never be a narrowly-voted impeachment or an impeachment substantially supported by one of our major political parties and largely opposed by the other.
it was a mostly peaceful protest and defund the police and give them more training and this sort of thing wont happen.
stocks went up, rich people get rich and the resident chuckle head says nothing, as doogie says, oops! winning!?
your hero Guomo is under federal investigation for covering up nursing home deaths. what happened to those 25,000 ventilators that he requested? oops.
china joe has killed 80,000 innocent people in 23 days, he needs to step up and stop this virus now! release all the vaccines joe! there are reports of the white house hoarding vaccines. this is unacceptable. dementia joe should be impeached!
As opposed to the 412,515 Americans that Trump killed by telling his cult to "liberate" by not wearing masks nor social distancing and doing nothing for months except play golf.
If lazy Trump had stopped planes from Europe landing in New York, then thousands of New Yorkers would still be alive. I can't wait for him to go to prison.
Yes, Trump made the rich richer. He didn't do much for you, did he?
so basically you want to ban Americans from reentering the Country? yeah that would have went over real well with the liberals, nancy and her saggy boob gang freaked out when Trump banned flights from China, nancy instituted a hug a chinese person day. just admit that dementia joe is a failure and has no plans to stop the virus.
what about Fauci? he has been the infectious disease director since Reagan was in office, whats his job? he did nothing as well
nancy deliberately delayed with transfer of articles of impeachment to coincide with the virus. why do you think pelosi held on to the articles of impeachment for over 6 weeks? they were waiting for the virus to spread first before the trial started.
dementia joe stole the election and now has no clue as to what to do, he promised $2000 to anyone that voted for him. he said it would be out the door on day 1. liar.
lyin biden should be impeached immediately. he is terrible and has to go.
Are you a troll? Because that was clearly as fake as it gets. Wow. Wise up. Unless you're just a troll, then nice job with the agitative posts. He in fact passed the cognitive test. Just research the official results. Yes, he's old and stumbled a bit, but that has nothing to do with cognition, instead the normal level of motor skill of an old man.
By the way, citing the New York Times is akin to referencing Dr. Seuss. It has no merit and is largely fiction.
cripple joe broke his foot petting a dog and he is too old to do any kind of physical activity. Trump can play 18 holes while china joe sits in his make shift basement.
The officer's death may not have happened exactly the way it was reported. The narrative of being beaten by a fire extinguisher may not hold water after the autopsy (although judgement should be held until the autopsy is complete). But the coroner just revealed that the officer had no visible head injuries whatsoever. That doesn't mean that the rioters wouldn't still be culpable, because they created the situation that lead to the cop's death (possibly due to the stress of the situation, which I would say the rioters were indeed responsible for, and it's possible that he had a head injury that just didn't have external bruising, edema or gashes).
More importantly, the hearing today proved that they were NOT "Trump's rioters". Trump had absolutely nothing to do with the rioting. They were independent extremist right-wingers who'd planned this for months, and a couple of them were Antifa and BLM taking advantage of the situation.
As a side note, only 1 -- literally only 1 -- of the 4 other deaths had anything to do with the rioting at all (the unarmed woman who was shot by an overzealous and probably quite anxious security guard). The other three were just peaceful bystanders who happened to die of random, unrelated and natural causes in the general area.
But you keep watching and believing the bullshit fed to you by uber-biased liberal news media outlets, living in your fantasyland with the big bad orange man who... what? Let's see... improved the U.S. economically to the extent that pre-COVID the country was at it's lowest unemployment and highest median wage earnings in history (with massive improvements of jobs and wages in minority communities). See where that gets you in the long run.
FBI and Homeland Security already debunked racist rhetoric by stating the majority of arrested have ties with white supremacy, far-right groups, QAnon and/or are just Trumpists.
If you're talking about the wannabe newsman who shot video, he's not BLM. He pretends to be part of a group in order to infiltrate and get "thrilling" video. BLM had already warned other members about his tactics and to stay away from him.
Just an aside, he did get among the best footage of the Capitol riot. I posted a link to it a few days ago.
2. The FBI is a nonpartisan agency. Even though Trump was trying to make it loyal to him which is common among dictators.
3. You're being extremely bigoted to assume only a Trump supporter can be unbiased. I notice that pattern in which Trump supporters claim investigations, news, opinion, etc. are biased unless made by a Trump supporter. GET OVER YOURSELVES!
Not a clip. It was a very long video which included the killing of the QAnon woman climbing through the window. It's on YouTube. The news media source of her killing is from his video.
There will be a bipartisan investigation re: the Capitol riot.
"UPDATE: New information has emerged regarding the death of the Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick that questions the initial cause of his death provided by officials close to the Capitol Police."
The fire extinguisher mix-up is likely coming from the video in which a rioter threw one at a few officers hitting them. That rioter was arrested.
I'm going to stand by my initial comment in which I wrote he was beaten to death. Apparently, he returned from the Capitol, collapsed, was rushed to the hospital and then died from his injuries according to the captain. There is a detailed autopsy report because this is a murder investigation. Head injury or internal bleeding? More information will eventually be released.
Can only agree with everything you say there. If the riot hadn't happened the officer would still be alive, no doubt. And the people responsible are being swiftly located and prosecuted, as they should be.
But trying to blame it on Trump while ignoring the plethora of much more incendiary remarks from democrats over the past year (and more) that contributed to months of much more calamitous and destructive rioting, vandalism and murder is a fool's errand that will only lead to failure.
Absolutely all citizens of all persuasions and worldviews need to stop believing and start thinking. Only watch the ideologically-saturated media outlets with a grain of salt, and pick out the verifiable facts, puzzling together real-world conclusions. Stop buying into their bullshit. Don't watch commentator shows, only news.
This divisive, pervasively leftist (although the right has their segments also), propaganda that throws false accusations at the drop of a hat (e.g. provably false Russia-Trump collusion for four years) while covering up obvious wrongdoings by those they share a perspective with or have a vested interest in (e.g. Hunter Biden, attacks on federal buildings, entire city blocks taken over, etc.) has got to stop. It's destroying the country.
The only way back is to doggedly seek the truth. Not fiction and false narratives. To hold off forming conclusions until the evidence is there (and even then being skeptical, i.e. never conclude to 100% yay or nay).
And for fuck's sake, shed all forms of belief. Belief is the bane of reason.
Sounds like I might need to start watching Fox News more often. But my impression is that many of the commentators on that channel are steeped in belief and ideology. No? If not, then I may have misjudged it and will check it out more closely when I get a chance.
But your statement possibly indicates that you don't actually watch it, and in fact don't receive your news from a diverse array of sources. Just sayin' Unless my impression of it is wrong, which it could be since the main thing I tend to catch from time to time is a show called The Five because it comes on at the end of my work day when things are sometimes quiet (that show is most definitely NOT a news show, but I find it amusing with a variety of viewpoints), then I sometimes flip between Wolf Blitzer and Brett Baier. When I've checked out some of the non-news shows on Fox I find them grating, and most of the commentators blowhards.
But if my logic and common sense, as you claim, is in line with what they're saying (I have doubts), then I may need to revise my opinion of it (things do tend to change over time, after all, so it's possible the channel as a whole has become more even-keeled, and less ideological in nature--guess I'll find out when I get a chance).
But this:
"The only way back is to doggedly seek the truth. Not fiction and false narratives. To hold off forming conclusions until the evidence is there (and even then being skeptical, i.e. never conclude to 100% yay or nay)."
This is the mentality of a true scientist. Pervasively skeptical about all things. Never believing, never denying, anything to 100% degree. Everything is about probability, and rarely is anything answered. An open mind is persistently and actively maintained. Humans have evolved an emotional need for closure, but that doesn't reflect reality. As a result it's human nature to fill in the blanks with falsehoods that confirm existing biases.
That's not how a true scientist thinks. That's how a believer thinks. And believers rarely know they're wrong until something dramatic or traumatic pulls their heads out of their asses. Anyone subscribing to a single worldview, locked into an ideology, following along with a crowd, is taking the easy route. This is the basis of any religion or cult (e.g. die-hard Trump followers that hang on his every word, modern day leftists caught in a feedback loop of snowballing confirmation bias, no matter how ludicrous and far from reality the concept is). It's lazy. Such followers feel secured because they've falsely assured themselves of conclusions where there aren't truly any.
For such people (most people), it's about feeling good about themselves instead of confronting truth.
The Hunter Biden attacks are only more right-wing rhetoric especially in comparison to Ivanka, Jared, Eric and Don Jr.
Your obvious racism isn't common sense nor logical. Obviously, you have an issue with Americans seeking justice and equal treatment under the law after viewing the George Floyd murder.
Your false equivalency comparing the fight for justice with racists who wanted to toss the black vote out is a joke. Far-right extremists who stormed the Capitol, attacked police officers (so much for Blue Lives Matter and law and order rhetoric), searched for legislators and Pence in order to kill them, attempted to overthrow democracy and install a white supremacist dictator is what you're supporting.
WTF are you talking about? "Obvious racism"? Based on your irrational comments, if you want to see a racist go look in the mirror. No one wants to throw any legitimate votes out, black or otherwise.
To the contrary, all citizens regardless of genetic history or practiced culture and ethnicity are equal under the law in every way (side note: no one is truly "black", "white", or otherwise--genetically speaking everyone is some percentage of a large number of ancestries).
But I forgot, you don't want to see the world with a scientific mindset. For you everything is about "race" (there is quite literally only one overarching race, by the way, or "species", scientifically speaking). Guess what, the average person doesn't think that way. They see all people equally.
Only the growing number of extremist modern day progressives segregate people by race (treating blacks and Hispanics as if they're incapable of taking care of themselves, holding them down with socially engineered oppression), and REAL small pockets of white supremacist scum who have no idea that many of them most likely share genetics with the very ones they throw hate toward.
The George Floyd death was not racist, BTW. It was a heinous act by a police officer who had a history with Floyd, but nothing to do with race whatsoever.
The Mueller Report does not conclude Trump-Russia collusion, FYI. It did suggest a high probability that Russia attempted, largely ineffectually, to interfere (just like they had for decades). Perhaps it's you who should read it, this time without bias.
And you realize the Steele dossier was debunked, right? By the very man who's report you're citing.
Take a deep breath, purge your bias and belief, and think critically and clearly. You'll be a much happier person in general, no longer beholden to your mental slave masters.
Trump's a pompous ass with the grammar of a fifth grader, but he, nor any of his family, engaged in anything illegal with Russia (according to Mueller). I for one am glad he's out of the office, but from what I'm seeing so far, what we have now is much worse. There's a paradigm shift occurring, and the future of the country is on a pivot point that could lead to widespread improvement or a massive downfall.
And people with locked-in mindsets like you (regardless of left, right, or otherwise) are directly responsible for the problem. It'll only get better when you decide to be a better human being.
Your denial that systemic racism exists historically and presently is racist. Your utopian vision has never existed in the United States.
I'm not surprised you are blaming racism on those who are trying to fight it. In order to change it, the problem has to first be acknowledged which you fail to do. Ignoring racism only perpetuates it
If you had read the report, then you wouldn't use the right-wing propaganda term "collusion" since Mueller stated in the report it's not a legal term and that's not what he was investigating. Furthermore, the report doesn't say that there was no illegal activity by Trump.
The report found repeated contact between the Trump team and Russians as well as a Russian attempt to influence the election. I suggest you actually read the source material , the Mueller Report, instead of an interpretation from a third-party source.
You realize your making claims about me that aren't remotely supported by anything I've stated, right? In other words, your deriving assumptions, and assuming I'm right-wing simply because I disagree with you. You are very, very wrong.
I completely agree there was never some utopian state of things. It's a work in progress. And there absolutely was pervasive racism in the past. But in today's world that is mostly a false perception driven by non-thinking believers and charlatans striving to sew division and belittle perceived opposition (yes, it exists, but it is decidedly not systemic, by the very definition of the word, i.e. there aren't cops running around gunning down black people, nor was the George Floyd situation race-related).
Nice work with the Saul Alinsky shtick.
Saying everything is racist is what's racist, because it's interjecting race-related problems where there would otherwise be none. More crucially, it overshadows actual racism that exists and completely nullifies attempts to stamp real racism out. So, shame on you for allowing real racism to continue by diminishing the word with overuse.
"Collusion" is not a right-wing creation. Are you delusional? CNN, MSNBC, etc. used it incessantly. It's their word. Nice attempt to rewrite history.
Regarding the Mueller Report, these are his findings:
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Mr. Steele: Mr. Trump and his team set up a hacking operation in the U.S. Mr. Trump funded hacking teams overseas along with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Mr. Mueller: Not true. The Mueller investigation found no such illegal activities.
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Mr. Steele: Mr. Trump knew of and supported WikiLeaks’ alliance with Moscow, which fed stolen Democratic Party emails to the anti-secrecy group. It released them in huge batches during the campaign.
Mr. Mueller: Weeks before the election, evidence pointed to the Kremlin as the hacker. There is no evidence that Mr. Trump supported the illegal activity.
Your denial of racism holds greater weight than millions of black people saying they experience discrimination and bigotry.
In other words, you know more about being black than black people. Explain to me how that's not elitist, arrogant or racist.
Institutional/systemic racism is a law, rule, regulation, policy which causes inequity whether by design or not.
One example would be the removal of voting sites within black communities to dissuade voting by causing hours long lines and travel difficulties while leaving the voting places in white communities alone allowing shorter lines and easier commutes.
Another example is that black men receive longer prison sentences than whites for committing the same crime.
Yet another example are school books which omit history and accomplishments of black people which leads people to assume they have none which perpetuates white supremacy and racism.
All societies are hierarchical. The U.S. continues to have one based on class, race and gender. There should be no statistical differences based on race if that hierarchy didn't exists. But there are!
I'm not sure why you're defending Trump so much since you claim to dislike him.
I read the whole report when it first came out so I know what's in it. You don't know what the Mueller Report found because you didn't actually read it. You can only repeat quotes taken out of context or repeat a biased talking head's propaganda. Are you going to quote Barr next? Nobody said Trump's moronic team knew how to hack anything and no such investigation was within the report.
I clearly didn’t deny racism. I denied that it’s pervasive or systemic. And, I claim that much of what’s dubbed “racism” actually isn’t, i.e. it’s either a false, ideologically driven biased perception, or it’s fraudulent. But it does exist. White supremacist groups, just like all extremist groups (e.g. the vile Proud Boys, QAnon, Antifa, and what BLM has turned into) must be stamped out. They’re some good, well-intentioned misguided members in these organizations (well, maybe not the Proud Boys or QAnon), but the organizations themselves are pure corruption and only serve to perpetuate division, stereotypes, and racial animus.
“removal of voting sites within black communities to dissuade voting by causing hours long lines and travel difficulties while leaving the voting places in white communities alone allowing shorter lines and easier commutes.”
Many voting sites were closed, but it being racially motivated is a false narrative driven by ideology, and completely ignores real-world statistics. For example, in my township alone, which is a mix of about 83% white, 7% black, we went from 6 voting locations to 3, which did indeed greatly increase wait times. Which ones were closed had nothing to do with race. Are there places where it could have been? I certainly wouldn’t dismiss it, but the evidence suggests otherwise (unless counting biased journalism that ignores actual statistics). The voting locations closing didn’t just make it harder for minorities, but for everyone. But it did little to deter voting, as evidence by the record-breaking voter turnout.
It broke records in a way that’s suspicious, but that’s another topic.
Once again, actual statistics shatter the false narrative.
“black men receive longer prison sentences than whites for the same crime.”
There’s truth to this, but it’s not racially motivated (in most cases—I have no doubt there’s some racist judges out there, especially down South). The situation is very complex, with a lot of dynamics involved. I know it’s simpler, and therefore easier, to just shout “racism”, but that’s ultimately a very small factor to a much more complex problem, and it obfuscates the true nature of the issue, imposing upon it a major disservice. The majority of those longer sentences were given to repeat offenders, but that aspect is conveniently left out of the statistics. They’re not being given longer sentences because they’re black. They’re being given longer sentences for other reasons, and they happen to also be black.
I work with the KC Freedom Project (headed by a local lawyer and P.I. who happen to be black) as a videographer. Their focus is combating police corruption and overturning wrongful convictions. They deal with this daily, and do great work fighting corruption and wrongdoing by authorities. It is by and large NOT racially related. It just happens to hit black communities harder due to cultural and socioeconomic factors that lead to a higher percentage of blacks being affected. There is a systematic aspect, but it’s decidedly not racism. There is, however, some police precincts fraught with corruption, and a certain portion of the KCPD is one of them (St. Louis also has problems). And not just the police, but District Attorneys and politicians. Oddly, they’re almost entirely Democrat.
“Yet another example are school books which omit history and accomplishments of black people which leads people to assume they have none which perpetuates white supremacy and racism”
Huh? Even when I was in school in the 70’s and 80’s there were a large number of references to black history in textbooks. There’s just as much “white” history, or ancient history that’s misrepresented as well. The educational system is a mess, run by unions interested only in power. Of course, by its very nature, there will be fewer minority references in history books simply because they are… wait for it…. a minority, i.e. fewer of them! But the content averages out to about the same as the demographics of the population, which is what’s fair. Plus, there are courses entirely dedicated to minority ethnicity and cultural studies.
Within the past couple of years, there are now “woke” classes dedicated entirely to the false premise of white people being inherently racist, and new absurd teachings such as critical race theory that simply aren’t true (there are indeed some kernel factors here, but it’s gone way overboard into the realm of being ludicrous and dangerous, marginalizing large groups of people, including blacks).
Of course, you're going to deny identifying with right-wing bigots, but use their term to denigrate anyone who is against racism and calls you out on it.
Continue to defend your messiah Trump while fearing to actually read the report for yourself.
Further ruminations about the notion of systemic racism:
13 to 27 unarmed black men were killed during confrontations with police in 2019 (around 259 total if including armed), and yet a recent survey indicates liberals think unarmed black men killed by cops is in the thousands due to the crap they’re fed by social media and dishonest news outlets. The perception being peddled is fraudulent and downright dangerous, and the progenitor of all the riots throughout 2020. The statistics do reveal that there is indeed a problem to address regarding black deaths, not just by police but much more so by each other in certain cities. Unfortunately, this is obscured by ideological and political bullshit. Let’s take a look at some genuine statistics regarding the number of people killed by police in the United States from 2013 to 2019, categorized by “race” (again, race is a false concept, but for some reason humans are still obsessed with labeling people as such).
The demographic percentage of blacks killed by police is indeed higher than other groupings. Why? This should be logical, but it’s because they were engaging in illegal activity, usually armed, that warranted a police response that led to conflict. Not because the perpetrator was black, but because they confronted and threatened police, usually with a firearm, and also happened to be black. It’s not racism. It’s a byproduct of cultural and socioeconomic components that leads to behaviors and activities that put those men in dangerous situations.
Again, there could very well be individual cases where the cop has racist tendencies, but almost all of the highly publicized ones have not been, not once you delve into the truth of those matters with unbiased eyes. Just because a certain racial group has a higher number of deaths doesn’t automatically indicate racism, and evidence suggests it’s mostly other causes (i.e. a higher percentage of blacks commit crimes due to cultural and socioeconomic drivers, therefore a higher percentage have confrontations with police).
The biggest tell is the following statistic: while black men comprise only about 7% of U.S. population, black men commit around 30% of all crime (and 50% of all homicides). I’ll repeat that: 7% of the entire U.S. population commits 30% of all crime, and 50% of all homicides. That’s stunning. This statistic alone explains the higher proportion of incarcerations and deaths during conflicts with police.
Of course, there may be exceptions to this in some precincts, and that shouldn’t be ignored, but as a whole, there is NOT mass systemic racism.
The P.I. and lawyer I work with on real-world police corruption and false incarcerations where it does in fact exist (power can lead to corruption in weak minds), black, white and otherwise (the stats show it’s not racism) puts me in the thick of it every day. But you, with what is most likely an ivy-league education (I’m speculating, so could be wrong, but this tends to be the case) think you know better? Regardless of your background, you’re caught up in a dangerous mob of groupthink because you don’t actually have to deal with it. You’re forming opinions not on real-world experiences and stats, but on anecdotes, pervasively biased news reporting, and the child-like worldview of an ideological activist.
A best friend from college who’s black keeps me in the know on the truth of the situation. His view is that liberal policies are what's racist because built into them is the false idea that blacks (and Hispanics) aren't good enough, talented enough, smart enough, etc. to be successful on their own merits. Intentional or not, these policies trap these communities in a cycle of control, not through force, but with overbearing compassion, doing everything for them instead of teaching them to help themselves (like a “smother” who doesn’t let their child try, fail, learn, and develop to become a functioning adult). Real compassion is about teaching, not oppression through coddling, i.e. free housing, free money, no responsibility. That's his view, anyway. He claims his family rarely experiences real racism. It is out there, no doubt, but it's not nearly as pervasive as the uber-leftist narrative created by white elites suggests, and it is not systemic (unless you count wayward liberal policies that ended up producing unintended consequences).
A quick YouTube search produces a handful of black people with a different perspective. There’s a lot more out there, but I quickly picked this first batch of them as I ran through the list. I also threw in a Ben Shapiro video at the end because it has some merit (although listening to that guy is a bit grating). My point is that it’s worth listening to other perspectives and picking through them for truths that might be summarily dismissed by those locked into an opposing viewpoint. Other than the last video, every one of these is from a “black” person that would argue against everything you’re espousing on this message board.
“I'm not sure why you're defending Trump so much since you claim to dislike him”
Defending Trump? How you construe my response that way is mindboggling. You realize I can dislike someone as a person but agree with some portion of their policies, right? For example, I liked Obama as a person, a family man and husband. But his policies simply don’t work, and were already pushing things further left than ever (although now his era is quaint compared to the craziness of today). All people should think like this. I realized when I was quite young through Eastern philosophical teachings that you can’t fixate on just one mindset. You must strive for both the void and everything all at once, both yin and yang, both East and West, both liberal and conservative, be fluid. You must be none of them, and must be all of them. It’s not nonsense. It’s the whole of reality. We must never lock in on a single belief, whether in the affirmative or negative, of anything at all.
Everything should be a matter of probability, never fully 100% accepted or dismissed, always ready to adapt as new information is garnered. Once you catch a glimpse of what this means you rise above the lure of groupthink, the trappings of bias, the fallacy of belief (an evolved trait all biological lifeforms on Earth suffer from that was useful during early evolutionary stages, but must be kept in check by individual constituent members of a civilized, transcended society), and can deprogram yourself from all conditioning. The “right” has always had a belief-based penchant of wanting to hang onto the past tightly, repelling new ideas (thus the moniker of “conservative”), which holds them back. But the left has been so pervasively infiltrated by illogical notions, so influenced by big money and powerful elites, over the past decade, that it’s spun out into the ethersphere and far surpassed the cognitive belief-based limitations conservatives possess.
Both sides, in fact all ideologies, are wrong to a certain degree. But after the past decade, the left is barely right at all anymore, much more locked into belief in a cult-like fervor than the religious right, and that’s saying something.
There was a point in time when culturally the U.S. and the world as a whole was more of a balance between what society perceives as liberal and conservative viewpoints, but the left has shifted and become so twisted that it now promotes segregation, encourages identity through skin color instead of individual merits, talent and effort, has recently resorted to cultural appropriation (e.g. “be less white”), and all of that narrative is mostly generated from white, pretentious college leaders and corrupt power-hungry politicians, with a goal of inducing radicalization. It is not the liberal worldview of the past. It’s infested by juvenile emotions and controlled by corrupt elites clinging desperately onto power.
"The report found repeated contact between the Trump team and Russians as well as a Russian attempt to influence the election."
That in itself is a true statement, but the two things aren't at all related. The Clintons and Bidens also had numerous contact with Russians (the information in the Steele dossier came directly from Russian sources). But they didn't "collude"? Or, in fact, is this just normal political dealings they all make?
“Nobody said Trump's moronic team knew how to hack anything and no such investigation was within the report.”
Your right, no one said that. Including me. The claim was that Trump “colluded” (CNN’s term) with Russia to influence the election. The Mueller report doesn’t support this notion. Did they perform opposition research and attempt to obtain dirt on their opponent? Of course. Hillary went to even greater lengths to do the same. But that’s just par for the course. Right or wrong, Trump’s team did nothing Hillary’s team didn’t also do, in fact less since we now know Trump’s claim of being spied on was true (which surprised me), among many other nefarious efforts, including also interfacing with Russia to obtain information. This is just what politicians do. All of them. Yet you fixate on Trump, completely ignoring any dealings by the left. More than anything, this reveals your bias.
Your one-sided, irrational, belief-based bias is clouding your judgement. I just hope that you wake up from your "woke" (to employ a term coined by the youth of today) delusion someday, grow up a little, and see reality for what it is. Because you're creating your own problems while perpetuating and diminishing the actual problems of others, inciting the very thing you project onto your perceived opponents. YOU are the problem, destroying the once great Democrat party from within, turning everything liberals once stood for on its head.
J.F.K. is rolling in his grave. Oh, for want of an Infinity Gauntlet. Snap!
This is one of the most interesting and informative posts on this forum -- although maybe a bit much, requiring multiple parts, its a good read. It definitely puts things in a different light than I'm used to. I may have to change where I get my information from, because clearly there's another way of thinking about things. And yet a lot of this is out there in plain sight. Your philosophical viewpoint I think is becoming lost in modern times, where left-right dogma has taken over and most people have forgotten how to, as you call it, think critically.
Thanks for the feedback! I guess no one wants to take on this deluge of irrefutable facts and logic. My hope is that it might educate some readers on the forum, wake them up to reality and change their minds (i.e. help them pull their head out of their @$$). I'd recommend anyone who initially has the urge to disagree with any of this to study this information thoroughly, reflect deeply on it, watch and rewatch the various videos I linked to, and puzzle through it all with an open, unbiased mind free of preconceptions, cognitive programming or ideology (a.k.a. belief, BTW all belief is unfounded, all belief should be purged).
Most of the protesters were peaceful and they were protesting against widespread voter fraud, you are in favor of voter fraud apparently and are condoning a dictatorship . You are focusing on the actions of a small group of individuals while ignoring the overarching message, typical libtard. And you along with BLM were cheering on the murder of policemen all last summer and called for defunding the police so spare me your sanctimony . Where was your outrage over the murder of David Dorn? Oh that’s right, his murder doesn’t support your narrative, whoopsies
IN A DEMOCRACY, A LOSING POLITICIAN DOESN'T CHOOSE WHO SHOULD WIN AN ELECTION NOR WHOSE VOTES SHOULD BE COUNTED.
Go to Russia for that!
There was no voter fraud! No proof, numerous court cases and repeated investigations proved that. ALL states have confirmed their vote count as accurate and honest.
Trump lied about voter fraud just before the 2016 election when he said if he loses there is voter fraud and there is none if he wins. He said the same nonsense in 2020s election. You have to be stupid to allow yourself to be manipulated so easily!
Notice how he didn't claim any fraud re: congress or senate races. You can't have it both ways.
Trump's followers are stupid and racist. They were taken in by a con artist who lied to them. Your mob friends took down the American flag and replaced it with a Trump one. It's obvious you couldn't care less about democracy - you care only about the Trump cult.
Voter fraud was very much real and it did happen in the 2020 election. Regardless the protesters have a right to peacefully protest which is what most of them were doing. Trump did not lie, the DemoKKKrats lied when they said Trump was lying. BLM on the other hand primarily riots and their premise is based on lies and false information and the DemoKKKrats actively sanction it and root for it while innocent people (mostly underprivileged minorities) are dying as a result.
I love how you didn't answer about David Dorn, clearly that black life doesn't matter to you because his death doesn't suit your narrative.
DemoKKKrats when they lose claim that a foreign power rigged the election but when they win it's all of a sudden a fair election.
Republicans are going to take the House back in 2022 and their first course of action is going to be to impeach both Biden and Harris and then move towards prosecution. After that pick up the broken pieces of the damage the DemoKKKrats have done and try to get things back to normal.
No one said the 2016 election was rigged except Trump. The Mueller Report proves Russians tried to influence it and even hacked some software but failed to influence it.
Trump presented ZERO proof in the over 100 court cases he filed. PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
Trump slowed down the mail and did its voter suppression best to stop blacks from voting. Republicans fear true democracy because most Americans vote for democrats as the popular vote shows. Don't worry! Future demographics continue to be on the side of the democrats.
Your back to normal is having 100s of thousands of Americans die as you scream about liberating states during a pandemic. No thanks!
LOL, the DemoKKKrats did not shut up for 4 straight years that the election was rigged the Mueller Report was proven to be a fraud and was a smear job by Hillary Clinton. On the other hand documented proof of widespread voter fraud was presented (https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-2020-presidential-election-voter-fraud-dead-voters he even gives specific examples, the truth is a bitch sometimes ain't it?) and the left covered it up and swept it under the rug, political corruption at its worst. On the other hand you said that voter fraud was a lie therefore you have to prove a negative because you asserted a negative, or are you going to admit that you lied?
How does not allowing mail fraud suppress the black vote? Are you saying that black people are too lazy to go to the polls? Wow you are a racist.
Getting back to normal would be putting Americans first and not using political power to punish politicians that you don't like. Both Biden and Harris should be impeached and should go to jail for the rest of their lives.
You're really ignorant about what an impeachment is. No one goes to jail, Sherlock. And an impeachment isn't a trial.
Obviously, you didn't read the Mueller Report. I did. It clearly states there was Russian interference.
I like my news sources truthful. Fox is garbage.
The only lazy people were a bunch of crybaby Trumpists who didn't use mail ballots nor go to the polls and then rioted in the Capitol when their cult leader lost.
Trump presented ZERO evidence of voter fraud because there was none.
LOL where did I say that impeachment lead to jail time? I clearly stated after they are impeached they should be prosecuted. Are you now going to be man enough to admit you lied?
It's been well established that the Mueller Report is a fraud, even lefties don't even argue this anymore, someone apparently forgot to give you the memo.
I see you have nothing to add to that point other than to attack the source not the content, concession noted.
You didn't answer the question, why are black people according to you incapable of going to the polls? Also your phony moral outrage when it comes to rioting rings incredibly hollow by this point. Just take the Pelosi standard "people just do what they do"
I just presented evidence of voter fraud, this is common knowledge you idiot. Also speaking as an unbiased, objective observer you need to stop letting your cult brainwash you, I'm sure you attend your satanic temple every Sunday and stick pins into voodoo dolls of President Trump, it's quite disturbing and you need to move on with your life.
They should, they colluded with a foreign power, they abused their own political power by supporting this fake impeachment and they incited violence. I am calling on Congress to do the right thing and impeach them immediately but of course the DemoKKKrats will put their party above what is the right thing to do.
I see you've also given up debating the facts, I accept your concession.
How much of a moron are you to say "Voter fraud was very much real and it did happen in the 2020 election."?
Just slap me in the face and say you didn't do that. C'mon, man !
And what the eff is Normal for you? Your comment is some Alice In Wonderland joke that what you want is Normal.
It's just partisan BS, and you should be ashamed.
I posted evidence of it you don’t want it to be the answer though because you don’t want to admit that your president is a corrupt son of a bitch. And normal would be putting America first and having a president looking out for us and not his own personal interests
Apparently you missed all the legislature hearings that presented mountains of undeniable proof of massive voter fraud. Although I don't blame you, really. Liberal news media wouldn't touch it. Here's some highlights:
1) thousands of supposed mail-in ballots that weren't folded (i.e. were never put in an envelope)
2) thousands of mail-in envelops missing critical information that previously would have disqualified them
3) democrat counters filling in blank ballots
4) thousands of ballots obviously printed, with identical markings
6) dominion voting machines tallying results in decimals for some reason (e.g. for 5 votes, 4.6 would be for Biden, .4 for Trump), which indicates a percentage-based vote-shifting algorithm was used instead of simple additive processing (e.g. original votes were 3 Trump, 2 Biden)
7) the only county where dominion machines were allowed to be fully audited found that 30% of the votes were shifted from Trump to Biden
8) non-democrat poll-watchers in key battleground states were harassed and prevented from actually observing
9) unusual addresses on thousands of ballots (e.g. an entire apartment complex voted for Biden, thousands of out-of-state people somehow voting in different states after moving, etc.)
10) dead people voting (this was a pretty small number compared to the rest of it)
11) many people coming in to vote, only to be told they'd somehow already voted by mail despite not having done so
12) statistically impossible massive "hockey-stick" jumps in Biden votes in the wee hours of the morning after vote counting unprecedently (meaning its never happened in an election before) shut down for 4 to 6 hours in all key battleground states (one of them supposedly due to a water-main break that turned out to be a false report), and all non-democratic observers were told to go home and come back in the morning, while there's security video of illegal vote counting continuing solely by democratic counters, with no third-party observers.
And the list goes on. I didn't want to think it possible, so I watched all the hearings at the various places where they were being streamed (on X1.5 mode to get through them more quickly), and was stunned at the overwhelming evidence. And yet due to political pressure and an unwillingness to consider the possibility, this was all just ignored, and the votes certified anyway.
All that stuff went both ways and happens in every election.
Nothing inappropriate happened in 2020 that caused Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia or Arizona to flip.
Trump lost because he sucked. Same as Hillary, yet Hillary almost flipped Georgia because that's the direction Georgia has been going. Texas is getting closer.
Yeah i don't know that there was enough to flip the election, nor do i care. I'm glad Trump's out of office, BTW. But the level of fraud was much greater than previous elections. Yes, some of that always occurs, but not nearly to that extent. Just watch the hearings (although you need about 20 hours to do so). The level of fraud was appalling.
There are a variety of articles that attempt to factcheck/debunk the report, but that don't present anything substantial, just claims. Hard to be sure which has merit. It could also have been a legitimate glitch, not something intentional.
My advice: never believe. Always question. This one's still open and inconclusive, but possible.
Regardless of the nature of the claim (intentional, human error, software glitch, etc.), and regardless of whatever really occurred (which we may never know), it's had real-world impacts to future election processes in that county:
What we are seeing would be like when Democrats brought up Russian collusion. But they would not be given time to present evidence and media would not report it.
Why are the my pillow guy, mayor Giuliani and trump banned from many social media platforms?
That would be the same as those social media outlets banning chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi for bringing up Russian collusion.
Preventing people from speaking their opinion is dangerous, I cannot believe you cannot see that.
No one should be satisfied with an election investigation that took days.
Makes it look more sketchy.
People being banned from social media sites is not a conspiracy.
You're confused about the purpose of the Mueller investigation which was to determine if Russia interfered in the 2016 election. If you read the report like I did then you would know that the Mueller investigation did find interference and details it. Collusion is a Fox term and has nothing to do with the Mueller report on a legal basis which was also clearly explained in it. The report did find repeated communications between Trump's team and the Russians.
Instead of relying on Fox and Breitbart which are known for lies and propaganda, read the report yourself. A summary is within the first two pages. Unless you read it, you shouldn't comment about it since you don't know anything about what's in it.
Clearly the Pillow Guy, Trump and Giuliani refused to comply with the user agreements which is the reason they were banned. I cannot believe you cannot see that.
Stop trying to overturn a fair election because Trumpists stayed home instead of voted. I was following the election closely unlike you, and Republican strategists were complaining that Trump's criticism of mail-in voting had dissuaded Republicans from voting by mail which is how they usually voted in past elections and helped them to win. He also went to Georgia and dissuaded more Republicans from voting by telling them their vote didn't matter.
Meanwhile, I made sure to give money to groups which were instrumental in getting the Biden vote out. Others volunteered their time. It's wonderful that our efforts paid off.
Biden won both the popular and electoral vote because of all the hard work his campaign and volunteers did. And Americans were tired of a lazy Trump who golfed while hundreds of thousands of Americans died. He had no plan to fight covid. Biden does! I was able to get my 1st vaccine shot because Biden has increased the rollout.
Trump's lies were based on nothing and reflected in court papers without factual evidence. Stop drinking the Kool-aid. Move on!
And in 1 week all investigations into the election were complete?
Mail in voting checked?
Dominion server checked?
The old women who came out and said boxes of Biden votes physically felt different, made from different paper.
Clearly the my pillow guy and Gulianni are violating the terms?
If the term 4 years ago russian interference could get you banned , you would be ok with that?
Did you see the video of Biden saying we created the biggest voter fraud organization to win.
Drinking kool aid.?I'm pretty sure that is a joke at the BLM community.
Atleast I know now where you come from now.
Nothing funny about what happened in Jonestown. I suggest you Google Rev. Jim Jones.
Hopefully, a mass deprogramming campaign and critical thinking skills education program will be commenced by the U.S. government for people like yourself.
I love how you take things out of context and draw your own conclusions as to what other people think.
I really don't get it..... Trump is history. You have the house, senate, and the White House, and you're still bitching and angry. You should be happy.
Perhaps you can tell me why Libs are always bitter, angry and miserable. I'd really like to understand this mental aberration. 🙄 ❓❓❓
I already started a topic a few days ago about whiny Trumpists on this site. You've been whiny for 3 weeks even though you should be happy that Trump gave you everything you wanted:
A completed wall
Cheap health insurance
Very low taxes
No crime
A high-paying job
Thriving economy
Honest politicians in DC(no swamp)
Rich farmers
Rust belt thriving
No drug overdoses
Revived coal mine industry
Revived steel industry
ETC.
You all have been raining on my parade while I'm trying to enjoy the Biden/Harris administration's wonderful work ethic, professionalism and competence.
Don't you think people are right to be angry and bitchy about Trump's ability to fool millions after he got some of them to storm the capitol to make him their king against the majority will of the country?
Don't you think people are justified to make him pay for it in some way? There was no widespread election fraud, yet Trump will never concede that he lost the election. He will take the lie to the grave.
Hillary dealt with Russia hacking into the DNC and releasing her emails through wikileaks right before the election. Hillary dealt with the James Comey letter declaring the private server investigation should be reopened right before the election. And she still conceded.
Trump propagates the conspiracy himself, gets people to believe it, and when it goes bad, he avoids culpability. It's remarkable.
I think what happened at the Capitol was disgusting and embarrassing.
But now, as I said, "you people" have gotten everything you want -- and you're still miserable and bitching. It's some sort of pathology.
The Dems put the country through hell for four solid years. Don't you think that has repercussions?
I, for one, don't feel "hurt" that trump lost. I used to be pro-Dem, till Hillary lost, and you all went nuts and showed your true colors. I guess it depends on which side is the poor loser.
Frankly, I'm tired of all the fighting. Washington is a sewer. They don't work for you or me. It's all about self-aggrandizement -- and the party.
I wouldn't give you a plugged nickel for any of them.
"The Dems put the country through hell for four solid years. Don't you think that has repercussions?"
No, because what you're describing can't be defined, which is why you don't define it. It's too Trumpian in nature. All generalizations because of feelings you have, but if we actually delve into why the dems went after Roger Stone, Manafort, etc, you find out it was justified. But Trump and his regime didn't like it. So that means "Dems put the country through hell for four solid years."
By the way, how many years of hell for Benghazi? How many years of birth certificate nonsense?
Lol! The FBI already said the mob was made up of far-right extremists. Hundreds have already been identified since they're being arrested and charged.
There are no left-wing white supremacists. Racists support Trump. Moderate Republicans are leaving the party and becoming independents because they're disgusted by far-right extremism and kooks.
Lol. The only thing more culty than believing the left rigged the election is believing the left started the riot. Thanks for letting everyone know you serve the church of Trump.
I still believe his mouth cost him the election. We saw the traitor Republicans this week-end who voted him guilty. The voters who voted for him in 2016 and didn’t this time...turned and ran with tails tucked between their legs! The election came down with hatred and dislike of the man vs the good economy, lowest unemployment in decades. Hatred vs logic! Hells Bells the Dems couldn’t even sell their own candidate!
Biden is RULING by Executive Orders. So far since he’s been in office he has signed 38! More than any president prior to him. He’s destroyed jobs, causing the failure of small businesses, he’s opened the flood gates for illegals letting in who knows who! This is a moronic move. We have a pandemic, job losses, businesses hanging on by their fingernails and he lets all these people into the country! He has initiated the catch & release system again. What in the hell is wrong with this man?
As far as the anti-Trumpers on this board and elsewhere something is seriously wrong with you if you don’t see what is happening. Do you just shrug your shoulders and feel the illegals don’t affect you because you live in northern states? You don’t care one iota about the low unemployment in this country before Covid-19? You hate Trump so much you would rather see your country sink with Biden at the helm!
I don’t have to watch those channels to be aware we had 7 Republican traitors against the Constitution . But my post doesn’t negate the fact Nadler made a pointed argument when it was Clinton being impeached. You need to view and listen very carefully Nadler’s words. For the first time and only time have I agreed with Nadler.
What this sham boils down to is...Trump did not win by being found not guilty. The Constitution won!
So for one minute put your TDS on the back burner. Put those gray cells to work and realize, the Constitution was on trial...not Trump!
I'm trying to wrap my head around your logic ksp. What is "substantially supported" to you?
15% of Republicans in the Senate is a percentage of statistical significance. Just because you dismiss them as traitors doesn't suddenly make them no longer Republicans and thereby make your invalid point somehow less invalid.
There were SEVEN, the most support ever garnered from a president's own party in support of an impeachment of a president in a Senate trial in history. The strong bipartisan support in a time of hyper polarization speaks for itself.
Furthermore if you actually viewed and listened to Nadler's words carefully you'd see why it's silly for you even think there's any equivalence.
"Impeachment was not a means to punish a president for personal wrongdoing unrelated to his office..." 2:18
So apples and oranges. Unlike Clinton's affair, inciting a deadly insurrection to try to pressure congress to overturn his electoral defeat ABSOLUTELY IS related to his office ksp.
And you're trying to tell me with a straight face you agreed with Nadler back in the late 1990s? Of course you didn't. What changed ksp? By trying to pinpoint hypocrisy in Nadler you're only highlighting your own.
”Impeachment was not a means to punish a president for personal wrongdoing unrelated to his office..." 2:18”
Out of all Nadler said, you focused on this one sentence? Bill Clinton wasn’t impeached “for a personal wrongdoing”. He was impeached for lying to a grand jury. Bill Clinton didn’t lose his law license due to a blue stained dress. A person doesn’t lose their law license over an affair. He lost his law license for lying. But you et al who hate Trump cannot see the actual truth regarding Bill Clinton’s impeachment. You believe it was because of a “personal wrongdoing”. Not so! I guarantee you if he had done a mea culpa, apologized, and regretted the “personal wrongdoing”, apologized to Monica for what he put her through...he never would have been impeached!
”It was as part of that case (Paula Jones) that Clinton was asked during a grand jury proceeding about the Lewinsky affair.
Clinton later reached an $850,000 out of court settlement with Jones a little more than a month before his impeachment and a month after Starr had published his report, which included 11 possible impeachable offenses, ranging from perjury and obstruction of justice to witness tampering and abuse of power.”
Show me the part in Trump’s speech at the rally where he was guilty of ”... inciting a deadly insurrection to try to pressure congress to overturn his electoral defeat...”
Oh stop. Are you really going to play dumb? I thought you were better than that ksp.
The evidence provided by the statement of REPUBLICAN witness Rep Herrera Beutler recounting of McCarthy's conversation pleading with Trump to call off the protesters was entered into the trial and was reported by multiple sources. That convo made it crystal clear Trump knew exactly what he was doing. Are you really going to sit there and pretend like it never happened?
You just proved you're either not even aware of this or you're in deep denial. That's why you're OANNED.
It was a clear dereliction of his Constitutional duty as CiC to put members of congress in harm's way by not calling off his maggats despite the pleas from his aides for 90 minutes (and McCarthy) as they breached the capitol building. In fact he never did as it was Pence who finally called in the National Guard.
He obviously didn't care about whether they lived or died at the hands of his bloodthirsty mob because it's always about HIM. You know this is true, he's a malignant narcissist. Yet you call the 7 principled Republicans who voted to convict for inciting a deadly insurrection 'traitors' when that's EXACTLY WHAT HE DID.
What would Jesus think of your constant apologetics of this morally repugnant man and his vile acts? What would your Lord and Maker say of your persistent self deception?
For those who don’t care to open the link here is a summary:
U.S Capitol Police rejected National Guard and FBI assistance in the days and hours leading up the attack
Officials feared the bad optics of uniformed troops facing off with Americans on Capitol Hill
They also ignored warnings of an insurrection and prepared only for a free speech event
Disaster led to resignations of Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund and House Sergeant at Arms Paul D. Irving
They were both followed out the door by Michael Stenger, the Senate Sergeant at Arms and Doorkeeper
There are only 2,300 Capitol Police officers in total and it's unclear how many work a shift at any one time
DC Mayor Muriel Bowser submitted a request on New Year's Eve for National Guard back up from Jan 5-7
But she was only given 340 troops and was told they'd be used to assist with traffic control
On Thursday she shrugged the blame, saying it was down to Capitol Police to request back up earlier
DC Attorney General Karl Racine said on Thursday morning they'd been 'let down' by federal partners
Eventually, at 3.51pm on Wednesday, 1,100 National Guardsmen were mobilized but by then it was too late
The attack on Wednesday was the first time the Capitol has been breached since 1814
Four rioters died, including a 35-year-old female Trump supporter who was shot by police
One Capitol Police officer died after suffering injuries in clashes with the mob
This is why the National Guard didn’t respond to the attack on the Capitol