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Police can't shoot people trying to kill them anymore


Police were called for a domestic disturbance. Walter Wallace Jr., the man behind the domestic disturbance, was chasing police with a knife. Shot dead as a result. https://twitter.com/AttorneyCrump/status/1320918523070337026

There were riots, of course. https://twitter.com/BobKellyFOX29/status/1321053216633769985/photo/1

Kinda funny the first picture in this slideshow is of a protester with his hands up and back to the police when you consider Wallace was walking TOWARDS the cops armed WITH A KNIFE: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/10/26/walter-wallace-philadelphia-police-fatally-shoot-black-man/6050621002/.

This man was no George Floyd, Walter Scott, or Eric Garner. It's a shame because he is rumored to have been mentally ill, so this is truly sad. But what are cops supposed to do? He was actively trying to kill them.

This issue is never going away unless conservatives can admit there are unjustified killings and liberals stop saying all these people are innocent victims.

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Um, you can't figure out how to restrain someone without killing them? Why not aim for a knee?

And hasn't a cop ever raped your daughter and gotten away with it?

I will pray that God gives you understanding into people's frustration with abuse of power, and what it means.

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It took 20-25 police to restrain 1 guy with a machete in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mzPj_IaMzY. There were 2 on the scene in this situation. This isn't a movie. Disarming people like Jason Statham or Jackie Chan do isn't real life.

"And hasn't a cop ever raped your daughter and gotten away with it?"

I think you might want to talk to a mental health professional.

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So it's impossible to train someone not to kill?

And the guy in the video wasn't killed, was he?

Just because you don't personally know cops who rape people, doesn't mean that they don't exist.

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It took 20-25 police to restrain 1 guy with a machete in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mzPj_IaMzY. There were 2 on the scene in the Walter Wallace situation.

I don't know why you keep bringing up cops who rape people. What's it have to do with this discussion? I'm sure there ARE dirty cops who rape people, but it's got nothing to do with Walter Wallace trying to stab people.

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The point is: it took 20+ to restrain him and at least they didn't kill him, unlike the 2.

Why can't you figure out the higher road?

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Naturally, I would shoot him in the groin.

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Of course it would be justified. It's "different" when it's personal.

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It took 20-25 police to restrain 1 guy with a machete in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mzPj_IaMzY. There were TWO ON THE SCENE in the Walter Wallace situation.

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And the guy in the video lived?

Good on them!

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“Why not aim for a knee?”

Lmfao! Ok vegetable Joe.

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Don't you get tired of being Satan's agent?

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That's why we need police reform. Police are only taught to draw their weapons to kill. But they aren't correctly told when killing is necessary.

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Shoot them in the leg, right white guilt?

Let’s get Annie Oakley to train the cops!😂😂😂

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You are correct, it's about reform, but you're not going to find many on this message board of that level.

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Do we REALLY need more mentally ill people running about? We already got rid of mental asylums so there is no place for them to go except in the open world where they're free to do mentally ill things like random acts of violence with failed parental guidance.

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We can't just get rid of people we deem as inferior. Now really.

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Do you have any idea how hard it is to shoot a moving target in the knee? Not to mention you have to deal with things like recoil and stress. The OP is right cops have two choices: Allow the suspect to kill them or another innocent person or be villified and have their name dragged through the mud by a biased and anti police media

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WOW.

I hope your post is in jest because it shows an EXTREME lack of knowledge.

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If he was white, they most likely would not have shot him dead.

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MOST people shot and killed by police each year ARE white: https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

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How many are just holding a knife ?

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Aaaaaand he's gone.

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That was quick and easy.

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Nooo.... racism exists.

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Yes it does, deeply ingrained in the hearts of people like you.

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Lol. How well do you know God? I don't think you have a gift of discernment. Why don't you ask the Holy Spirit to help you with that?

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How do you know that? Are you able to bend time and space and utilized fourth dimensional technology to create an alternate universe where everything is the same except his skin color?

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By reading a recent study conducted by UPENN, which showed black people are 3 times more likely to be killed by police in a situation like this than their white counterparts.

Education is key : Reading the study and understanding the research is more reliable than bending time and space, and utilizing fourth dimensional technology to create an alternative universe where everything is the same except his skin color.

You should try reading studies and understanding research some time in your life..

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Please show me that they were killed because of their race, unless you can then all you have are assumptions and speculation.

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And protests... to end racism from police.

Pay attention.

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Racism that has still yet to be proven.

Also change the word "protest" to riots for the sake of accuracy.

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The UPENN research answers your question.

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The "research" says that more blacks are shot by police. That doesn't prove they were shot unjustifiably because of their skin color.

Until you can back up your assertions I am dismissing your case.

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Ok thanks judge!

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No charge for your education doggiestyle, that is my gift to you.

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Where can I return this 'gift'? It's obviously wrong in every way.

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You can instead be appreciative and say thank you. It's the normal thing to do, as it is the courteous thing to do.

Also how is asking someone to back up their assertions "wrong"? You clearly need more education and I am willing to provide it as long as you have a positive attitude and are willing to learn.

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My suggestion as it has been many times, send in Black cops to deal with Black folks. This is getting out of hand. They could have shot him in the knee and he would have went down. He didn’t have a firearm so they could have kept their distance. If he was mentally ill as stated, this makes it a sadder case. This is another unjustified killing and I’m as conservative as one can get.

I’m beginning to wonder if the pickings for cops are coming from the bottom of the barrel. Cops have been maligned and not supported for so long, good people who would make good cops are saying “No way! Not for me!”

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"They could have shot him in the knee and he would have went down."

What you are calling for, but will never admit, is police reform. Police are taught to only draw their weapons to kill. Never to injure.

In order to stop someone without killing them, non-lethal devices such as tasers are required, but there's not enough of them.

So we either give every cop non-lethal defense, or we train them to use their guns non-lethally in certain situations.

Either way, it's police reform.

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Next we will be sending Jewish cops out to Jewish folks, catholic cops out to catholic folks, baptist cops out to baptist folks...😂

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The word unjustified doesn't mean what you think it does.

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Please explain Obi Wan.

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You need it explained to you that shooting a man walking towards you with a knife is the definition of justified?

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This is what you wrote:

”The word unjustified doesn't mean what you think it does.”

Please explain your meaning of “unjustified” since you deemed I didn’t know the meaning.🙇🏼‍♀️

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You need it explained to you that shooting a man walking towards you with a knife is the definition of justified?

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Hells Bells! Forget it! 🙅🏼‍♀️ Your convoluted statement is stayed. Simplicity is the best way to answer. Of course I understand ”...shooting a man walking towards you with a knife is the definition of justified?

Was it too much to write you felt the “shooting was justified” instead of

”The word unjustified doesn't mean what you think it does.”?

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"Of course I understand ”...shooting a man walking towards you with a knife is the definition of justified?"

Do you now?

"This is another unjustified killing and I’m as conservative as one can get."

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I still believe it was “unjustified”. Tasers could have been used.

The two current taser gun models used by law enforcement can be loaded with cartridges that shoot further than those that can be purchased for civilian use. The law enforcement Taser X2 can be loaded with cartridges that have wire lengths starting at 15 feet that increase to 25 and then 35 feet. X26P model cartridges for police use can be purchased with conductive wire lengths from 15-25 feet. Cartridges with a range greater than 15 feet are not available to the public.


Two UK police officers were able to subdue a knife-wielding man with only batons and pepper-spray while responding to a domestic incident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvaZtb3mxWQ

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You still don't know what unjustified means.

These police officers didn't have tasers due to lack of funding.

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It WAS “unjustified”! There are many incidents where law enforcement have gained controlled without killing the perp. In this case he didn’t have a hostage. He didn’t have a firearm. Bystanders should have been ordered to keep their distance while the cops kept theirs. There I go again...Monday morning quarterbacking again. Would it have been possible to control the situation until more officers arrived? I don’t know...

At one time I would have agreed with you, but your OP title says it all. Kindling has been lit and it’s staying lit. I’m on the side of the officers, but damn, that kindling is setting ablaze too many riots. Is there no end?

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I just wish police were trained professionals and held to higher standards than the average panicky housewife.

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What garbage.

Any man, black or white, chasing after a cop with a knife is a dead guy with zero chance of an indictment landing on the cop.

Take the knife away, and there's still no indictment.

Take away the knife, and the aggression, and maybe, just maybe there's an indictment. Maybe. But only if there's a public outcry.

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My ultimate question is, don't cops usually taze first before shooting if they can do so? Not sure if Pennsylvania cops carry them or not but you'd think it'd be universal to NOT carry one. Dominant hand with the gun near trigger at 45 degree pointed downward supporting the non-dominate hand with the tazer. After the tazer shot and he's still non-fazed and still charging, then shoot imo.

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He was but the press doesn't say that. The Wolfe City guy was tazed also. In most cases a taze adjusted to bring someone down can also kill them.The loonie the person is the more chance a taze won't work.

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Those cops didn't have tasers. It's already been said on the news.

After the taser is shot and doesn't work, the cop is getting stabbed. If you watched the Wallace video and think they have time to tase then reach for their gun after it didn't work, you're nuts

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No, I WON'T "take away" the knife and aggression. I will look at this case for exactly what it is and Wallace was armed and approaching police.

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You completely missed what I wrote.

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No, I didn't. You're not talking about the case at hand. This case involved an aggressive man with a knife. I won't discuss "if he didn't" because he did.

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Well you can but you might get fired for it though. But you have your certification still and just go get a job in another town. No different than a doctor or teacher.

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If I ever find myself in a situation where I am charging at the police while brandishing a knife, I deserve to be shot. If I die, so be it. In the interest of everyone’s safety, maybe it’s good I’m no longer breathing.

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Point taken!

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Right, inferior people need to be destroyed!

I'm sorry you missed the Nazi party regime - you would have had a blast!

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But apparently you didn't miss your Nazi party regime.

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Did I say inferior? Dangerous people of any color. Dogs that bite get put down. Humans that would charge a cop with a knife are a danger.

I’m a Nazi to want less maniacs in Society?

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I wonder if any of the 'shoot him in the knee' people have any firearms experience. It's not a simple thing to hit a small stationary target with a handgun under ideal conditions. Now add extreme duress and the target wobbling unpredictably all over the place. I wonder how these people would fare even in the former scenario.

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I suppose you are correct. I don’t have firearm experience, but I was grasping at straws. So what is the answer? What do the cops do to not escalate the problem? It just seems there’s no end to these situations. Most of those killed are criminals, but people forget about that part. All they see is “another black man killed”. No one riots when two officers are executed, or when an arsehole throws a fire stick into a squad car while an officer is inside. Truth be told percentage wise of population, Blacks commit most of the crimes even though more Whites are on Welfare and receiving foodstamps.

It’s easy to Monday morning quarterback. Sigh...🤷🏼‍♀️

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Exactly and by attempting to "shoot them in the knee" that definitely increases the risk of an innocent bystander being shot instead.

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The day where cops aren't justified in shooting someone coming at them armed with a knife, it is day when you have cops retire in mass.

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Also, point taken! In the far left’s eyes the cops are the perps and the criminal Black man is the victim. It doesn’t matter if the guy has a mile long rap sheet, George Floyd, all of that is put aside! He became the victim when the cop put a knee on his neck. Floyd had networks covering his funeral and was interred in a $40,000 gold plated casket!

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And that's a good thing. Replace them with smart people who don't see their gun as their first and only tool.
And get rid of police unions, too, since all the other unions in the country are being dismantled.

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What tool would you use?

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