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Why would he keep being chastity? He's not very religious. His thing has always been honor and duty, not purity. He's not awkward in front of the ladies. In the First Avengers maybe (but not definitely), because of Peggy, but after that, why would he keep from having sex?
I'm not saying he becomes a pickup artist that slept with different women every night, I'm just saying that it makes no sense to, unless he's impotent. He definitely is attracted to Sharon Carter while Peggy is still alive, so he definitely already stops pining for Peggy at that point.
He didn't return using the machine though, because we would have seen him crossing over through the machine.
Would Steve Rogers agree with dropping atomic bombs on Japan?
And we are discussing and trying to pick apart theories and characteristics of this movie because we love and enjoy the movie, we want to know more about it, so I think it's okay to have this kind of discussion.
It's 4 different timelines that branch from the main timeline at different time. It's no more than 4 because the machine acts as a tether for these 4 timelines so they can jump back to these timelines to return the stones.
And all of this is moot point simply because Tony and Bruce already explained that it's a multiverse multiple timelines theory, so it can't be a single timeline theory, because it can't be both of them.
A single timeline would mean predestination, everything would happen eventually as if it is destined to be, fated, even if an entity comes from the future with intent to change it, it would end up that their intervention would only help that future to become reality, and it would turn out that it wouldn't have happened if there is no intervention.
Multiple timelines, like in this movie, would have events happened that change the past and affect the future in that timeline only.
She died. She's not a robot, she still has brain and heart.
Yup, exactly, which is why Cap's ending really is confusing.
Doctor Strange's prediction only accounts on the moment at that time, moving forward from that time there is only one possible outcome where they beat Thanos and save the earth. It doesn't mean that changing the past would mean that Thanos means, it could also mean that changing the past might open other possibilities where Thanos is defeated.
[quote]there is only one way in which he would have been in their timeline, and that’s if he was always meant to go back in time and be with Peggy[/quote]
That's not how it works according to both Tonny and Bruce. You can't change the past, the moment you step to the past you would've already been in a different timeline.
If your assumption that his going back in time to be with Peggy is what the original timeline is meant to be (so there is only one timeline, and Steve were Peggy's husband all along) why wouldn't he change the past? Why would it be okay to go back and marry her, but not do other stuff? Why would that one particular thing is the only thing permissible that wouldn't affect the desired future?
Although let me put it here that the premise that Cap and Peggy have always been together and Cap's jump to the past is the fate that is meant to be is so fucking adorable and I love that.
[i]Steve had to let everything in the past happen, even all the bad stuff, because he knew it would turn out okay in the end[/i]
I don't think he will, this is against his character. Don't forget that his unwillingness to step back even a bit is the whole reason that starts the Civil War.
Looper did that. He killed himself to stop his future self kills others, but by killing himself he stops his future self to go back in time to kill others, but if he never goes back in time he has no reason to kill himself in the first place.
Looper bypasses the grandfather paradox by using self-correcting timeline. Any change done to the present by future entities would still affect the future, including the entities who present now themselves, but the change that happened to the future (including future entities that present now) would not change things that already happened now. So if someone from the future goes back in time to kill their grandfather, the future person would be erased the moment they killed him (or the moment they change the past so that their future existent is no longer possible), but the said grandfather would still be dead. So in this example, any witness would see someone walking up to a guy shooting him in the head and suddenly vanish, and the victim would be on the ground dead.
What makes you think he's a virgin before endgame?
How convenient for Parker.
It's only confusing because the ending with Captain America goes against everything Stark and Banner explains before. Without that ending the time travel premise would stand because they use the multiverse multi timeline theory.
If it's multiple timeline multiverse, then I don't think it works like that. The quantum realm machine works as a tether that connects the jumpers with their original timeline. So the QR machine actually connects to the quantum GPS that each jumper has on their hand. So Cap can only jump back to his original timeline through the QR machine, which the movie obviously showed is not the case.
Even if Cap manages to build his own QR machine on the other timeline, he still wouldn't be able to jump back to his original timeline, because he doesn't have the "coordinate" (for lack of better term).
Not necessarily, that would only be true under the assumption that the present condition is the only condition that can defeat Thanos and reverse (or prevent) the flick.
If Cap lives after the 1940s with his knowledge, there are a lot of things that he can do that would prevent the flick or at least prepare for it. He could have taken the tesseract from Stark and hide it, he could go to Kamar-Taj and consult with the ancient one, or many other things that he could do that would affect the future but in a good way.
But even if we accept that the present timeline is the best one and Cap need to preserve it to defeat Thanos, would he? Would he let all those terrible things happened, not only to all the innocent but also to those he care very much? Would he sacrifice the few to save the many? Or let's look it like this, would Captain America let the USA drop the atomic bombs on Japan?
Doesn't explains how Nebula survive even though her old self died.
Can't break something that has never happened, hah!
But seriously though, everybody is confused about this. If it's a multiple timeline thing then yes, Rogers got to Peggy before she met her "supposed" husband and they both live happily ever after, but that can't be right, because Rogers did live to the old age in the same timeline as the others.
If it's a single timeline then it's much more confusing. That means Rogers let Peggy and the others build SHIELD and let Hydra took it over. He let Hydra experiment with Bucky, he doesn't stop the assassination of Tonny's parent, by Bucky. But the most confusing thing is if it's a single timeline, then how come the present Nebula is fine even though she killed the old Nebula?
So the conclusion is, don't fret it, just enjoy the ending, he finally got to fulfill his promise of having that dance.
Hulk is physically stronger than Thanos, but Thanos outpunch him. Captain Marvel with her energy is clearly stronger than Thanos, but Thanos outsmart her.
Thanos is the fucking Lu Bu.
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Where do you come from that YOU get to decide that "The comic don't matter." Just because they don't copy the comic entirely means they can't use anything from the comic? What kind of logic is that?
Cap's ending, as good as it was, destroyed the entire premise about multiverse timeline that has been previously explained by Tonny and Bruce, so there is that.
I don't think Steve was faking it before, he did move the hammer just a tiny bit. But I think it's about all of the things that happened to him after that, all those tragedies and he still maintains his honor, I think that was what made him worthy.
In the comic, Sam did inherit Cap's shield. And I think that Bucky is already tired fighting for more than a half century, he probably wants to retire too.