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In the comics, while he had memories of being with Wanda, he had none of the emotions to go with them. He was eventually restored, though.
Imagine if instead of eating a burger there was a guy who didn't have a burger and just smashed a plate on the floor because he wanted a burger.
That's about how much sense this comparison makes.
By ep 4 is where people who felt the same as you had their opinions flipped. It becomes more and more standard Marvel fare.
I liked the early eps though.
Yeah, Agatha was only responsible for the things explicitly shown in the song. She arrived after the fact and put a spoiler on things.
Basically, Hayward wants to reactivate Vision at any cost. Wanda arrives to retrieve the body to give it a proper funeral. She is denied. Hayward strategically manipulates Wanda, showing her the mutilated body of Vision and provoking her to see if she can do anything that would help his goal. Wanda leaves peacefully filled with more grief than ever. She visits the site of the home Vision picked out for them to start a family in. Overwhelmed by her sadness, Wanda's powers explode outward in a fit of grief creating the Hex (apparently unconsciously at first).
Agatha then senses the incredible amount of power, unlike anything she's familiar with, and goes to investigate to puzzle out what exactly happened. Her thing is leeching power, so her goal is to get Wanda's power. First, it seems she needed to figure out exactly what that power was and what Wanda did so she would know how to use it herself.
And if someone was tripped into a table of apples and an apple fell into their bag are they a thief? If they find that apple later on without understanding how it got there and take a bite are they intentionally doing wrong?
Intentions matter. Once Wanda realized the full scope of her actions she stopped it.
And? I'll let try to work it out yourself, because having it spelled out to you clearly isn't working.
Here's a hint... At what point did Wanda fully understand the hex? And what did she do after?
That part was in direct response to Hayward's DRONE opening fire on her and her kids after he lied to Monica about it being armed. She was directly provoked and she harmed no one..
Again, some of the things she did were intentional. But not ALL. And certainly not what the "Wanda's a villain!" crowd is saying. It's all based on misunderstanding or twisting of what happened. She didn't know people were in torture until the very end. Right before she let them go.
I'd tell you to stop playing dumb, but I don't think you're playing.
"that part of it" I said. It's like you can't even read.
Unsurprising if what you get out of the show is that Wanda's a villain intentionally torturing people.
What she did to Agatha was a new spell separate from Westview. She's trapped by her mind rather than the borders. The sole intentional enslavement on Wanda's part.
And if a single shred of that part of it was intentional, you might have a single shred of a point.
I don't think you understand the word "all". Clearly, if you were paying attention none of it was intentional at the beginning. Wanda didn't understand the hex at all, even though she had some control over it. Not until the end. And there are moments that prove that far more than any you posted. She definitely took advantage of an opportunity that presented itself once she was in it, but she was far from in full control. Never mind that it was directly stated. Just the fact that she was even able to be fooled at all by Agatha demonstrates that she has no understanding or full awareness of how she's in control at all, let alone that she's tormenting everyone inside.
She was a bit deluded, but she had no malicious intent, and nearly every directly conscious act she took was directly provoked by Hayward with SWORD or Agatha. Literally none of it would have happened if Hayward hadn't manipulated her emotions to try and see if she could reactivate Vision somehow. She just wanted a proper goodby and she was poked and prodded and pushed to the breaking point where her powers exploded outward and took over the town.
Oh no! She threatened some SWORD agents who just tried to straight up <i>murder</I> her and her children without actually harming anyone! So villainous!
If you come away from the show thinking she's the villain... >__>
The reason you're in the minority is that the people who think she's an all-out villain misunderstand very basic things and twist others out of proportion.
If you believe she willingly and knowingly tortured the people of Westview into a state of agony, you were no paying attention. The bulk of it was unconscious except when she was provoked. She did not fully understand what was going on until the end when Agatha explained it all to her, and she immediately opened the barrier. And even after finally realizing it would take her family, she rejected Agatha's offer to make it permanent and eventually shut it all down.
In the comics White Vision didn't have his emotions for a while. Those were restored later on. He's basically just a Vulcan right now, lol.
Her purpose was to have a familiar face to deliver some exposition instead of a random tech geek made for the show. It brings some continuity to the MCU and maybe they have a plan for her in the future.
The hex was unconscious at first. She really didn't understand how it started and only knew she had some control. She didn't know the people were suffering until it was pointed out to her. As soon as she found out she started to let them go. She didn't see what Vision saw with the people far away from her glitching out. She only knew that she had seen them as pretty hopeless and miserable people when she first got to town and that now they seemed like bright and happy characters in her life.
I feel like people calling Wanda a villain didn't even watch the same show.
Hayward illegally dissected and tried to reactivate Vision, and then lied that Wanda was doing it after he PUSHED her and PRODDED her trying to get her to do it for him. He had a more active role in the creation of the hex than Wanda did. Wanda's power just exploded in a moment of uncontrolled grief after being emotionally tormented by Hayward and seeing the future that would never be. If he had just let her bury Vision, none of it would have happened.
He repeatedly abused his power and then he tried to shoot children that he was told by Monica were actually completely real.
Agatha just wanted power. For what, who knows?
Indeed. The song makes even more sense when you consider that the reveal is from Wanda's perspective as Agatha reveals herself to <i>her</i>. For Wanda, Agatha is revealed as responsible for everything that has been stressing and putting cracks into the fantasy world she's cooked up.
Nah, it's definitely a bo sound.
It just seems weird to me that the emphasis is on the first syllable instead of the second. It's weird to me that it's pronounced like the action movie Rambo.
You personally disliking how it turned out doesn't make it wrong, though. Just saying.
Read what I said again, because you are not understanding. Agatha was not responsible for the hex. She absolutely is responsible for everything shown in the Agatha All Along song and everything I listed.
It was an intentional mislead that turned out to have a different meaning than you expected, but you're still stuck on the one narrow meaning that you expected.