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About Thor being late, he's fighting the enemy and looking for Thanos. But since he came later to the battle, I guess he was not connected to the Team Ration. I remember Captain America calling for backup, I think he says something like "everyone in my position we have incoming" or something similar. Which is why most of the heroes are there at that moment, but Thor did not have any way to know that, but after a while when he either notices that everyone is the same location or he sees Thanos.
On the other hand, I don't think Quill reaction is lazy writing, I think is a reasonable reaction to someone like Quill, passionate, impulsive and not the smartest in the room. You would react that way if you were him, even Iron Man knows that which is why he tries to avoid it, but clearly fails to do so. Another theory that I am quite confident in it is that this was Dr Strange plan all along, the only outcome he says the Avengers winning was by losing first, and by keeping Iron Man alive.
We'll have to wait a year to see!
Of course, he is nuts, he is a Villian after all, if he weren't nuts, he would probably be a hero, which he is if you asked him. He truly believes he's doing the right thing.
Yes, you are right, is not a long-term solution, he is an Eternal, so he can stick around for a while, and now that he has the Infinity Gauntlet, he can just snap his fingers every X millennia and get everything back to balance. I guess that's his plan form now on.
He does not need to tell anyone, some worlds may get pissed of to whatever deity they pray on, I don't think Thanos cares too much, which again he's a Villian he doesn't have to behave ethically. Otherwise, he'll be a hero. Perhaps some worlds will destroy themselves with civil war after that, and some will disappear, I guess Thanos would call them weak, and not think about it anymore. You are taking some specific conclusions about specific words, which not necessarily revoke the premise that Thanos is an excellent Villian fro MCU, yes words may get destroyed, people will die, and wars will start after the snap, but Thanos has accomplished his goal, overpopulation and saturation, by killing half the universe. I think for example the TV show "Leftovers" would be a good perspective of what would happen in semi-developed worlds that faced what Thanos has done, without knowing where it came from.
Your idea is that Thanos is not a good Villian because, even though it's well developed, "he is nuts and isn't into long-term solutions and isn't into change". As I said, of course, he is nuts. And perhaps, it's not a long-term solution (if you understand long-term as forever solution), even tough I think is pretty safe to say that he would only need to snap his fingers once in every thousand of millennia, to keep the goal, so in my opinion is a pretty long-term solution. It would require maintenance, but all solutions require maintenance.
I think the same Dr Strange has to have some sort of plan.
Perhaps keeping Iron Man alive was more important in the long run than keeping the time stone, which leads me to think that IM will play a really important role in the upcoming A4. Probably with his death will save the universe or something along those lines.
"It was the only way" sounds like he has way, and I can not think that the only way is to just live with half the universe.
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...try to solve the problem.
That's something that we may follow up on the next movie, how that decision and perhaps guild will affect Tony.
About teaming up, I think is the key. I'll explain.
After Civil War, the team is broken and Tony refused to call Cap to help him - which Bruce did afterwards. First mistake. If all of them were together, they may've gotten a chance against Thanos. If all teamed up instead of fighting him in small groups they would've won, which is why I think teaming up is the key. Instead of that, they fought in different small teams:
Guardians vs Thanos = Thanos wins
Thor Loki, Hulk Hemindall VS Thanos = Thanos Wins
Iron Man, Nebula, Starlord, Spider-Man, Mantis, Dr Strange, Drax VS Thanos = Thanos Wins.
Cap America, War Machine, Bucky, Black Panther, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Bruce (not hulk) Banner and the other heroes on earth VS Thanos = Thanos Wins
But all of them together against Thanos = Will see who would've won.
Anyway, I do get your points but I don't see a huge lazy writing as you see, I just see decisions that can be questionable but totally understandable form the characters point of view.
Hope at least you enjoyed the action sequences.
[1/2] I get what you mean, stupid decisions from your rational point of view.
But when you watch a film you cannot think from your own perspective you have to try and think why did the character react that way, what's the backstory, taking that into account, ask yourself if him reacting that way makes sense.
- Hulk: "I'm a toxic masculine hero. So I have to be portrayed as a complete coward! Beside that that never ever happened before" Right, a coward, he is afraid, is the first time he gets beat to a pulp. Bruce Banner is the brave one now, Hulk is the afraid one, the papers have turned from the first movie, where Hulk was the brave one and Bruce was the scared one, that's called character development. If you make Hulk a linear character that only smashes and that's it makes it a bit boring in my humble opinion.
- Thor. ""Yes, I destroyed my home city to save a few of the people there. But .... half of them died now anyway" How could he possibly know that this would happen? Unlucky yes, but that's it...
- Spiderman: I'm now not a real superhero anymore, but instead some Iron Man apprentice with some tech toys at my arms" Yes, he's growing as a person and as a character, he's a kid from Queens that has always admired Tony Stark, even before becoming spiderman, therefore makes sense Tony being his hero, and when he becomes a superhero he wants to emulate him, that makes complete sense to me. He's what 16-17 years old? he's a teenager trying to impress an idol. Give him time, perhaps if we get more movies will see him grow as a superhero and as a character.
- Ironman is not god. He can't force anyone does anything, as much as he wants he simply can (i.e. Civil War). What makes you think that he could force Dr Strange to destroy the time stone, Dr Stange can fight him if he pleases, which would be a bad move to start fighting between them instead teaming up. That Stark understands now after Civil War so he chooses to go with it and try to solve the problem.
- I don't think that's how Hulk works, he's an individual being, that can take over when he pleases (i.e. Thor Ragnarok) Bruce and Hulk have a relationship as someone that has multipersonality of some sort. So yes, usually it gets triggered when Bruce gets angry, but not necessarily all the time he gets angry he has to appear, he works as a unique being, therefore, he can choose not to, as it happens on IW. As I mentioned my take on why he's not showing up is because he's afraid of Thanos, as he almost killed him.
- Starlord does not have to be allowed to be there? that makes no sense. He cannot be banned from coming. No one knows that Gamore is dead, therefore they could not predict that perhaps Dr Strange did but did not tell for some reason, you could argue why he did not tell in case he knew, but many explanations would work, as he ran about 14 million scenarios I have to assume some of them included telling Starlord about Gamore being dead and it did not work. Also, seriously? not allowed to be there? lol. And yes everyone there knew that if he punched Thanos that would most likely get him freed from Mantis trap and release him, getting the gauntlet and the plan failing.
- OMG, yes mate, if you destroy everything you do not have to protect it (smart, dude, real smart). That's not the point. They could also travel back in time and kill Thanos in his crib... It's a superhero movie, not an Independent French Drama. Not all decisions have to be 100% rational and cold-blooded, they are humans and sometimes they drive on instinct and emotions. Dr Strange whole purpose is to protect that stone, not destroying it. He gives it to Thanos, yes, but I am expecting to see a reason behind it, perhaps is the only way to defeat him, let his first win, we still have to see the role that Antman, the Wasp, Hawkeye and Captain Marvel have to play. Perpahs all this was part of a bigger plan or simply the plan failed, it happens the bad guy wins. And I for once I appreciate it.
That would be awesome.
I think And and the Wasp will be before Civil War, and perhaps touch on IW and after IW (maybe post credit scene(?)).
And, definitely Code Red aka Captain Marvel will come to save the day, the last thing that Fury did (RIP) was calling her, so it has to have meaning, also I think Dr Stange meant something with "It was the only way" that said to Stark, right after Spidey passed *Mr. Stark I don't feel so well...*
Promising things for the MCU coming our way! So happy this move is so great 10 years to build up to this and it paid off!
I do not agree with your points all have an understandable reason for those decisions, being either character decisions or movie plots, I'll elaborate:
Hulk is afraid, is the first time he's been almost killed, the first punch he gets to the jaw from Thanos even I felt pain OMG... he's afraid, and therefore he does not want to show up. He probably will when he's needed on the next Avengers, since he's probably one of the most powerful characters in MCU, alongside Thor and Captain Marvel aka Code Red (end credit scene).
Starlod, just lost the love of his life as so to speak. If you understand how characters and personality works are quite understandable that he would react that way, he's bold, brave and perhaps a bit stupid. if you understand his character you totally buy he would punch you if you kill Gamora, he won't care about the situation. And all the other teammates see that coming, even Stark says something like do not do it, we are almost done do not do it or something like that.
Dr Strange giving the time gem. Not sure why he did it but I am certain he had a reason. Earlier in the movie, Stange said, that if he had to choose between Tony, Parker or anyone over giving the time stone to Thanos he would not even think twice and let them die. In the end, he did not. I think you have to ways to read this, one Tony has grown in him, he cares about him so he can't let him die, because that would not make him a better man. Or because he knows something, he said: "It was the only way". We know there was 14 million or something like this scenario in which the only one they defeated Thanos, perhaps this is the way they defeat him, by letting him win first. Thanos won, for now, we will see how it evolves in a year.
I personally am really excited, the movie gave an "empire strikes back" vibe to MCU, getting past the Weak Ass Villian issue they had. Thanos is Badass, has a motive, and is powerful and won't hesitate to kill you if he fancies it.
Precisely, people tend to say plotholes, but those are just character decisions you can blame they are stupid, but I don't think this movie can be described as having stupid characters that make stupid decisions.
I agree with all your explanations, furthermore, regarding living in the river, the river does produce noise, which makes hunting on for fish easier, but not living there especially outdoors with a baby coming. Having a roof over their heads was a far better place to be.
Regarding the soundproofing, they do not only set up the mattress, but you can see across different scenes prior the birth of the baby that they are soundproofing the room with newspapers over the room and other measures.
I think this movie was really good and build a tense environment across the movie that worked. I won't say it was perfect but surely not a dumb movie nor full of plotholes.
I am not sure all of those things are as much of a movie error, I think they are human errors that anyone could make, which then had consequences that made the film evolve.
1. The toddler was under the surveillance of the older brother, which is later addressed in the film, as the father is trying to teach him to be responsible in case he gets killed. He will need to step up and take care of their family. When the father realises that the toddler is running around he gets called out and sent to go to her mom, which he does. All good and normal behaviour of a family as this trips look that they are quite often. On the other hand, about the toddler walking the last one, yes that is a mistake, which is addressed later in the movie (as I said before, human mistakes make the movie evolve) the mother mentioned that she could've carried the toddler but she didn't and felt guilty, and the father said that was no one's fault - that's called character development, feeling guilty and overcoming that is good for the character. The same happens with the deaf daughter, she also feels guilty for giving the Rocket to the toddler, even though she gives it without batteries, the toddlers takes them. In my opinion, the toddler getting killed is just no one's fault and not a movie flaw but an error made by a family that leads to a child getting killed in a world where the earth has been invaded by killing machines.
2. Getting pregnant is clearly a "compensation" for losing their son at the beginning of the film. or at least that is how I read it. So there is no logical explanation but an emotional one, they lost a son so they will try to replace it. Not the best decision form a practical perspective, but not a wrong decision if what you need is to have a child to cope with the pain of losing one.
3. The nail, yes it was never removed, IMO there was no time. The mother did warn them when she got the change, by alluding it when they went down the stairs, perhaps you missed it...