MovieChat Forums > joseph > Replies
joseph's Replies
Interesting how you want to pretend to be unaware of a debate that basically anyone with even a passing knowledge of politics and cultural issues in the entire western world, and certainly the U.S., knows ...
I'm trying!
I never said not to watch it, just that it was interesting how they're trying to be more slick with the manipulation.
Yeah, maybe less on the nose is a good way to describe it, but at least more subtle than a lot of other movies these days.
I think Men actually presented the toxicity of women too, and both Ex Machina and Annihilation were more balanced, despite maybe superficially seeming not to be, than this movie.
A24 is definitely left of center too, but a lot of their movies are also pretty great (The Witch, Green Room, The Blackcoat's Daughter, Hereditary, etc.).
To me at least, this is kind of a shift to Garland. Maybe a long time coming but still a shift.
I can't help that you're blind to a political and social agenda that is clearly and aggressively being pushed by just about every western government and major multinational corporation.
Yeah, but's it subtle though, often unstated as in just casting choices or understated as in small, random mentions. It used to be more just open political messaging, but this is more devious really, and clearly intentional as it all goes in one way and is present throughout.
I swear, I have gotten to the point where i don't even watch new tv shows while they're still running because 9/10 it's going to get derailed by some political bs, and then I stop watching without satisfying endings for any of the storylines or rage watch out of stubbornness until it ends or it just gets way too dumb...either way a waste of time.
You should be able to do a monthly option, that's what I got.
It's just common sense, both masculinity and femininity become pathological if unrestrained.
That's what makes it good, my guy.
That wasn't the point of the movie at all, in fact it was pretty clearly the opposite:
Don't act unreasonably and utterly alienate people under vague pretensions of grandeur or you are likely to both damage yourself and precipitate a very strong response that you're not prepared for, as a metaphor for, as another user pointed out above, the ongoing civil war and broader England-Ireland conflict.
Man is inherently evil. It's what we used to know and the foundation that our political system was built upon, i.e., the concept of original sin through to the Protestant Reformation through to the Enlightenment through to democracy.
We've just managed to convince ourselves otherwise in this particular historical moment. Because we've convinced ourselves that we are good, then our impulses do not need to be guarded against, because they are by extension also good and thus nothing to fear.
What Nietzsche meant when he wrote that God was dead and that we killed him, was that we had killed the concept of a being above ourselves traditionally occupied by theology and replaced it with human knowledge and achievement, in a futile and doomed effort to make ourselves as Gods.
From Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956:
“The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either – but right through every human heart…even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained. And even in the best of all hearts, there remains…an uprooted small corner of evil.
Thanks to ideology the twentieth century was fated to experience evildoing calculated on a scale in the millions.
Alas, all the evil of the twentieth century is possible everywhere on earth. Yet, I have not given up all hope that human beings and nations may be able, in spite of all, to learn from the experience of other people without having to go through it personally.”
The version with narration is basically not even the same film, it's like watching an animated version of The Godfather or something.
Not sure exactly what you mean to say here, but in any event didn't find it boring, just self-important and overhyped. Kind of diverting though.
I mean, until the critics were almost totally captured by our current little social cult, I actually agreed with them more often than not.
This movie is weird in that it garnered a lot of really positive word of mouth combined with a decent critical reception and good production from a well-respected niche distributor, but objectively just isn't anything like what it was made out to be. It was supposed to be like this weird marriage of social and critical acclaim with banging entertainment value and intellectual stimulation, but was instead more like a movie for twentysomethings who want to have their beliefs affirmed while feeling hip.
Yeah, I would actually say it's one of the better A24 movies. My thought is maybe it was too abstract and/or didn't explain enough for many viewers.
Was somewhat disappointed by Lamb too. Still liked it though.