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A punch to the gut thriller.
Is anyone watching this - because it’s fantastic.
Great series. The ending.... your thoughts.
How I miss IMDB chat boards... shut down in 2017.
One of the best shows I have ever seen
Blood Diamond
When is Season 7?
One of the best things on TV
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Perfect. And great movie.
The Bureau tops everything. Not many have seen the original. I’m assuming you have. How do you compare the two? To me, The Agency is lagging? What do you think of Kassovitz vs. Fassbender?
Bios should be a category.
I agree to the moral dilemna part. In the beginning, a person might say to themselves - let’s see how this plays out. If the jury doesn’t convict, then the only harm is to the parents - which is difficult to grasp in itself. When Kiefer gave his legal opinion, I was totally in disagreement as he was saying it. Circumstantially, J2 had nothing that would convict him. He stopped and had a witness. At the bar, an alcoholic would not stop at one drink. What actually happened is believable. But letting an innocent person get life in prison is really heinous. Where he was concerned and empathetic at the beginning, he was outright indignant and brazen at the end - “I didn’t do anything wrong.” This is where he was spineless, selfish, immoral. And, it’s not good to be spineless and alcoholic. Even if they had not become aware of him or he wasn’t held accountable, this would weigh heavy on his mind and soul and he wouldn’t stay sober for long with the new family - in my opinion.
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I know the part you are talking about with Jake Webber in Homeland- that was S6 and S7. I didn’t like it that much. I also didn’t like Brody’s daughter - last season was very good and they ended on a good note but some of the ones in between weren’t that good.
When Homeland went from very good to great was in S1, “The Vest”, next to last episode. Carrie is off her rocker and triggers this response from the use of a green pen while in a facility. “Saul, my green pen is dry. Is green elusive? I mean, my kingdom for a f—-g green pen.” And she just spins into alliteration because she realizes the whole timeline and what is about to happen that no one else sees. Her rant: “He’s a part, a pawn, a pixel, pernicious. We have to collide it, collapse it, contain it. We have to hop to, haul ass. Nazir’s movements in green after a fallow yellow always creeping towards purple are methodical, meaningful, momentous and monstrous.” And she maps it out on her wall by color. Total full blown manic episode but she is the one who sees the sniper attack as a sideshow for the ultimate attack about to come. Best performance award winning.
You know Homeland was adapted from a famous Israeli series. They’re nothing alike. But it is about soldiers who return home.
You cannot stream Le Bureau des Légendes to the best of my knowledge and this is to be expected because of the airing of The Agency. It’s been out there for at least 8 years for people to see and not many in the US saw it. It is in French and most people cannot read or do not like subtitles.
I hope when you when you say The Killing and The Bridge that you mean the original Danish ones Forbrydelsen (The Killing) and Bron/Broen. I was lucky years ago that someone on IMDB downloaded the 3 seasons of Forbrydelsen (The Killing) for me as it ended up taking 10 years to get here (US). It was an unbelievable watch. US The Killing was very good but the poor writer Veena Sud had so many problems with AMC who at the time was banking on Breaking Bad and even Matthew Weiner had trouble with AMC with his show Mad Men. The first 3 seasons (S1 and S2 belong together) of the American The Killing were great but AMC sabotaged the series. The Bridge - American version - in my opinion was not that good. But the Danish/Swedish one is superb (Bron/Broen). There have been other versions since - the British/French one is The Tunnel and there is also a German/Austrian which is sooo weird you can stream called Pagan Peak and excellent. Talk about dark and subversive. This one is recent. But some of these were revolutionary when they came out and that was many years ago. They are still considered legendary - mostly in UK and Europe - but a lot of time has passed.
I saw Trapped which is Icelandic. Loved it - loved the actor who was also in The Widow - a good series with Kate Beckinsale in South Africa. Fortitude - in English. Great. There are more like this out there. I have seen most foreign ones. The best are: French - The Bureau and Spiral; Russian - Dead Mountain and The Method. Usually done by Walter Presents on MHz and PBS. Spanish. Portuguese. Bulgarian. Polish. German. Austrian. Slovenian. Finnish. Norwegian. It goes on. There are great Korean ones on Netflix and Prime Video. I can’t think of all of them. So many.
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I liked the card scenes too. I liked how he explained the game and percentages. And especially that “best hand I ever saw” story about Goldie (Asian player wore a lot of gold) and 2012 Indian casino in Iowa Blackbird Bend Omaha nation 10K tournament. Spoilers ahead. The romance thing was perfect because Cirk used it as leverage - I will do this if you do that. And, if Cirk had kept his part of the bargain, Tell would have had a better life with La Linda and playing cards, and Cirk would have too because he would have paid debts, gone to school and had a relationship with mom. They were both so damaged but they did have a shot. Odds were against them. Romance did help in Master Gardener. I did have a tough time with Tell wanting to take on Cirk and “redo” him. But realize this was part of trying to heal himself.
I love Schrader movies. I love these trilogies of the solitary man - Taxi Driver, American Gigolo, and my favorite but not well known or seen, Light Sleeper. And now, these Man in a Room - Card Counter, Master Gardener, First Reformed. I have yet to see First Reformed, and can’t wait as it is one of his best and his favorite of his own movies.
Character played by Wright was played by Darrousin. Down the road, he has a huge story.
Frank character in the original was there for a second. Cyclone was Coyote in the original and he was a Muslim. It was his religion that prevented him from drinking alcohol and they were in Algiers. You will see what happens in upcoming episodes as this story really escalates.
It’s just that….
It’s just that the original was great. I find this one sluggish. I find a big difference between Fassbender mostly, compared to Kassovitz. It doesn’t resonate with me as much. Also there is too much dialogue that has to explain everything. It’s annoying. Somehow the French version, you just got it faster. But I am so happy you like it and see that it is brilliant. So many posters are obsessed with other things.
It was on Prime Video forever. I wrote a post on MovieChat 5 years ago - has anybody seen this - no one ever responded. The posts do go back 8 years but I think it may not have been subtitled then. I saw four seasons all at once. I think it was on Sundance. I had to wait a year or so for the 5th - always inquiring is there a 5th one - oh please. So it came out and I bought it. The minute The Agency came out, this series was no longer available. I initially found it though because of Spiral (Engregages), a French policier - also great. This may have been on MHZ. Sometimes European stuff (also Nordic Noir) is sooooo much better than American stuff. And the Americans remake it and then you aren’t able to see the original as in the Danish ones - The Killing and The Bridge.
It is always different when you read a book and see it made into a movie. Or you see a great movie and they remake it. I don’t know how long this series will last. Whether they will make it all five seasons and if they change any of it. Especially the finale - which stuck with me for the longest time. We will see. If it doesn’t, then you know. I don’t want to say anything about the original and someday you might see it, but it won’t be the same as seeing it for the first time. I do like the French actress who plays the psychologist so much better than the one in this series. Also, there is nothing like the romance of Malotru and Nadia - nothing.
The first season of Homeland is one in which Brody was supposed to be killed off - but brought back to life by public demand which squandered good seasons after that. Then someone took over and wrote awful episodes where they didn’t bother to watch previous episodes and forgot that Quinn was married with a kid and then made him into a rent boy…. But S1, the part where Carrie is off her meds and storyboards how Brody with this color chart that turned into this rhyming thing - a puzzle in itself - but made perfectly clear because of her brilliant mind that was manic - she was speaking another language in a code with clarity. That “fallow yellow” period coincides directly with Brody’s time with Nazir. The creator of The Bureau liked Homeland, Boardwalk Empire, The Wire.
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I think the bigger question is why didn’t Juror #2 come forward the first day of jury duty when he found out. He wasn’t driving under the influence; the bridge was a non-pedestrian one with no visibility due to weather conditions and no lighting; he didn’t leave the scene of the crime but stopped to survey; he realized he saw the plaintiff make a u-turn which would exonerate him.
I am glad you are enjoying it. It is masterful - probably, to me, the best TV series I have ever seen. They have called it the Second Coming, and it goes on for 5 seasons. Also, the subplots go into overdrive shortly. The creator spent time with a lot of Intelligence agents and you will learn more from this series about intelligence than you will learn anywhere, and the writing and storytelling are magnificent. You will see these characters get into jams and see if and how they get out of it. Part of how their “legend” is created matters, and how their legend has to be so precise and researched because they will be tested. You will also see how it is in other parts of the world - how terrible it is. The Iran story, about to come up, is fascinating. Anyway, I am glad you like it. This version is following it very closely. It’s just that….
I will look into Okkupert - I love Jo Nesbo. Yes to The Diplomat. I like The Americans. I liked certain seasons of Homeland. And Jodie Turner-Smith is mesmerizing; her voice is melodic; her appearance, majestic - actually her character is at the heart of this whole thing, no pun intended. I will say I think in the original, Maltrou and Nadia make a better couple than Martian and Samia - and that is all I will say about that. Also Wright and Gere have created a more nuanced relationship than the original, although Jean-Pierre Darrousin is one of my favorite actors, as is Wright. On another note, in The Day of the Jackal new series, they created a major part of it from second season of Killing Eve. Original of The Day of the Jackal is also a superior book and film but I liked the series very much.
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