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Another forgotten Oscar Winner


Realistically, people won’t be talking about this film for much longer. It might get a mention next year as the previous winner, but that is it.

This is sad, but the Oscars are becoming more irrelevant each year. They used to feature films that had historical and cultural impact like Casablanca, Gone with the Wind, Godfather and Rocky. Even some more “recent” ones like Gladiator and Lord of the Rings have stood the test of time.

But this film, like almost all Best Picture winners in the last decade, did not have an impact. It was interesting to watch, but it was not extraordinary. Few people seem to care about it.

This is why few people tune in to watch the Oscars. I am one of them. But even I am asking myself: “what is the point?”

A real shame.

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It won for virtue signaling purposes.

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I agree completely. It's up to individual interpretation as to what purpose it served, but it failed to achieve excellence in film making on any level.

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that and there were only a few films released last year, somebody has to win, doesnt necessarily mean its good.

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If this film won primarily for virtual signaling purposes, then why didn't superior films such as The Trial of the Chicago 7 or Judas and the Black Messiah win the Best Picture Oscar instead?

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ok, boomer

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Lmao! You couldn’t be more wrong.

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He's right on target, boomer.

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Yup, even more recently movies like The Departed and No Country For Old Men will be remembered forever, but nobody even remembers movies like The Artist, Shape of Water, Green Book, Parasite, Spotlight, and especially this.

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I remember all those films and I think a lot of others do too. Green Book and Spotlight might eventually be forgotten, but The Artist, Shape of Water and Parasite are pretty memorable and will be remembered for many years.

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The Artist has already been forgotten. Shape of Water is barely there. Parasite will be remembered as the first South Korean film to win Best Picture.

There are always aficionados that keep watching movies forgotten by the general public. But they are still forgotten.

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Because you've forgotten a film, or don't care about it, is indicative of nothing other than your own taste. You're confusing your own opinions with fact. In my own opinion, The Artist and Parasite are the best two of the best pictures of the last decade, and probably the two I'd most expect to last into future decades. Birdman is the only other winner from 2010-19 that I can imagine joining them as "famous old movies" come 2050.

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No. It is a fact. You may like it and that is fine. But the general public thinks differently.

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Another jackass who thinks his own taste is representative of the good ol' general public.

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It’s the truth, buddy. Almost no one gives a shit about those films.

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Interesting you mentioned No Country For Old Men, as from that year this film was released (2007), going all the way back to the inception of the Academy Awards, there have been unforgettable films released each and every year. Since then it has become hit and miss as far as great films. It's a pity it has come to this.

If I were harsh I would just come out and say Nomadland was a tripe-ridden, rip-off of Into the Wild. But that would be too simplistic of a critique for a film which won Academy Awards for Best Picture and Best Director.

I was about to preface this with a spoiler alert, but because this is a film has a non sequitur third act finale with no closure, no story, structure, plot and plot twists--it begins, goes nowhere and it ends--in other words no meaningful first, second and third acts, I guess there is no need for a spoiler heads-up.

If there's any consolation, the heart of this film is in the right place--I do sympathize with those who struggle to eek out a living, the struggle to pay for food, medicine, fuel along with the need to keep oneself safe and secure--but it's difficult to sympathize with those who don't appear to be struggling at all, as appears to be the case with the main character, Fern. This film had the potential to capitalize on Fern's struggle and overcoming adversity--it could have been an incisive commentary on poverty--which would have given it redemptive value. But it chose not to focus on that.

The desert backdrop is apropos as it matched the storyline's plain, boring, lifeless and pointless meandering, with it's characters merely going through the motions, wandering aimlessly with no intent or purpose other than to wander about in a barren wasteland of a dessert. I'd might as well take my camera to a homeless camp and film the apathy, melancholy and non-eventful lives of the houseless who reside there, edit these clips and make a movie out of it.

While I would recommend this film to someone with insomnia, as I could barely stay awake for the nearly two hour duration--I would be doing a disservice to approve this film to anyone looking for entertainment that will inspire and challenge their point of view as this film was neither inspirational nor did it stand for anything of substance.

And finally, in order to not sound like a hypocrite, I'd better wrap up this comment as I wouldn't want to bore those who may have inadvertently stumbled upon my two-cent synopsis of Nomadland.

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It's too soon to say if this film will be remembered or not. I think Nomadland is a masterpiece and I believe it very well could be remembered and appreciated years from now, but we can't know for sure yet.

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I'm just curious--can you mention some things that made Nomadland unforgettable? Don't get me wrong--this film's heart is in the right place--I'm all for solving the homeless crisis and bridging the inequality gap, but this film failed to make this film as compelling and provocative as it needs to be. Personally, I can't think of a single scene or instance in this film where I haven't seen it done better in a previous feature film or docudrama.

For example, The Lady in the Van, a story also centering around the fact-based life of a van dwelling nomad, received no Oscar nominations, despite it being the superior film. Other films that did well exploring the challenges facing the homeless/houseless nomad are Time Out of Mind, Shelter, The Soloist, No Place Like Home, A Street Cat Named Bob, Resurrecting the Champ, and The Caveman's Valentine.

Two unforgettable films where the main character is a nomad are The Fisher King and Pursuit of Happyness. In my opinion, both of these films which did not receive Best Picture or Best Director Oscar noms, are much more worthy of the golden statuette.

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I think it was the feel and experience of watching Nomadland that makes it unforgettable. It isn't any particular scenes, but the film as a whole. I agree that The Fisher King is unforgettable and a masterpiece, but I found The Pursuit of Happyness to be underwhelming and disappointing.

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I think Nomadland will be one of the more memorable best picture wins post 2010.

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I agree.

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Can't you cite a specific example as to why Nomadland will be one of the most memorable films released over the past decade?

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Because this decade's winners have been pretty mediocre.

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In my opinion, last year's Best Picture winner Parasite was quite memorable--especially the latter three-fourths of the film--as Act 1 played like a Korean drama and I don't mean that as a compliment. Acts 2 and 3 had something for everyone--well at least for those old enough to watch an R-rated movie: It was a heist film, a dark comedy, a horror film, a romantic film, an art house film, a thriller film, a mystery film, and perhaps most importantly a truly relevant social commentary film. It was character as well as story driven, while it was heavy on both style and substance. All of these combined elements which were seamlessly blended together with allegories, metaphors and tonal shifts made for a cohesive whole of a film that was oozing with suspense, conflict, tension, wit, drama and humor, which in the sum of its parts added up to one of the most entertaining films of the past decade.

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Parasite is probably my favourite movie of the last 15 years.

To me Nomadland was good, but I wouldn't say great. However when it comes down to where it ranks among the films that won best picture the last decade, it's one of the better ones.

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I think it was the feel and experience of watching Nomadland that makes it unforgettable. It isn't any particular scenes, but the film as a whole.


For me it felt more like a documentary than a feature film which I didn't find myself being fully immersed vicariously in. One would think that in a talking heads film, there would be a few pearls of wisdom with which to glean some insight from--unfortunately I did not recall a single one--well at least not one not already used in a previous film.

I have firsthand experience seeing all variety of nomads in my neck of the woods, and speaking with those living in their vans, SUVs, cars, tents, cardboard boxes, under bridges, storefronts, etc., and must say I have learned more about their day-to-day struggles of being homeless/houseless by talking to them for a couple of hours as compared to watching a film like Nomadland which doesn't quite get to the root of the very complex issue of whether they were forced into their predicament or are they doing so by choice.

To be fair, this film did have a few humorous moments such as when a female van dweller spoke of the options she would consider when urinating and defecating in 2-gallon, 5-gallon and 7-gallon plastic buckets.

That being said, if I wanted to learn about this issue documentary style, I might as well watch videos on YouTube channels like Invisible People or German in Venice, who take to the streets on a daily basis to interview nomads and document the homeless crisis that is sweeping across the United States today, especially since the advent of the COVID-19 pandemic and the expiration of the CDC Eviction Moratorium a few months from now.

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I agree that The Fisher King is unforgettable and a masterpiece, but I found The Pursuit of Happyness to be underwhelming and disappointing.


In what way did you find Pursuit of Happyness to be underwhelming and disappointing? First of all it did not win a Best Picture Oscar, or receive a nom for than matter, so in what way did it disappoint?

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It was disappointing because I was expecting it to be really good and I felt it was mediocre. It didn't impress me.

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Can you go into specifics as to why you found Pursuit of Happyness to be disappointing and mediocre?

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I didn't find Pursuit of Happyness to be interesting, engaging or compelling. The performances were fine but the story wasn't as good as it could have been. It fell flat for me.

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IMO, it was one of the best films on the topic of homelessness produced in the 2000s.

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i think the oscars suffer from an identity crisis. there's a place for anything. for foreign/indie flicks such as 'parasite' or 'nomadland' there's already cannes or sundace, for example. the academy awards should be about big hollywood movies. cobbler, stick to your trade!

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I've said I don't think it really deserved an Oscar, but it was a very unique and interesting movie. A very personal look at ... a person who I am not sure could exist. They did not fill out Fern's character very well, or detail her situation, which would have been key to really getting inside her head.

But, on the other hand, there were so many other terrible or just average movies, I think it was nice that a movie like this got the AA.

I did not watch the AA, and I have not for such a long time. I think since before 2000. I was just working too hard and by that time movies were really not that interesting to me. When movies like Pirates of the Caribbean win an Oscar, to me it is like they had no meaning. I used to like looking at the YouTube clips of whatever comedian was hosting the shows, but even that is wearing thing, because no one does or says anything that is real or interesting any more ... i.e. authentic.

It is viciously ironic that the last time authentic was the word used a lot in the public space was in regard to Donald Trump ... which I guess shows how clueless we are to apply the word.

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Not sure why a movie which played more like a documentary than a feature film. This film even failed to go into explicit detail on the root causes of the increase in van dwellers across the United States, besides making no-brainer generalizations such as how a social security check is insufficient to pay rent, which does a disservice to all the nomads and future nomads out there. It was predominantly a talking heads movie with not much to offer in terms of masterful use of visual storytelling devices and artistic expression--something I previously thought Best Picture Oscar winning films were made of.

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Besides this film winning Best Picture, Best Director and Best Actress Oscars, it also received Academy Awards noms for Best Adapted Screenplay, Best Editing, and Best Cinematography. Had this film not been showered with some of the highest accolades in the industry, I would not be anywhere as harsh as I'm about to be.

That being said, I'm baffled as to why the Academy is awarding filmmaking that ain't Oscar bait, isn't visionary, not revelatory, nor groundbreaking by any stretch but is instead nominating films which are unambitious, don't go out on a limb and appear to be playing it safe in order not to offend anyone (i.e., Amazon, Wall Street bankers who engineered the Great Recession, billionaire tax evaders, draconian legislative and law enforcement tactics against the homeless, proponents of corporate capitalism/economic inequality), which translates to bland and boring.

While McDormand is one of the best actresses working in Hollywood today, her past performances alone should not justify her resting on her laurels and winning a Best Actress Oscar for portraying a fictional character who exhibited no character arc--her character starts off and ends the movie as basically the same character--a one-note performance and not layered by any stretch. No heroes' journey here--the story begins, goes nowhere and abruptly ends--about the only journey in this film involved driving around in her van from one dead end job to the next while meeting up with her support group comprised of other van dwellers.

My idea of a role with a considerable character arc was Carey Mulligan's performance in Promising Young Woman, which was in my opinion the best actress performance of 2020 bar none in large part because of the tremendous range she exhibited in this film. Mulligan should have won the Best Actress Oscar. Viola Davis was likewise snubbed by the Academy for her mesmerizing performance in Ma Rainey's Black Bottom.

I'm curious as to who taught Chole Zhao how to write a feature film screenplay as she appears to have forsaken proven script structure and broken every screenwriting rule in the book by not including several of the ingredients that great films have in common--thus the reason this film came off to me as more akin to a documentary than a full length feature film. Obviously, Academy Awards voters don't seem to care about lowering the bar.

One of the first rules of screenwriting is to show not tell by incorporating creative use of exposition and conveying visual storytelling devices. However, what this film predominantly seemed to do was tell not show--as in dialogue driven talking heads with little to show for. If this film was based on an original screenplay that would be one thing, but because it was adapted for the screen, one would expect the screenwriter to make an effort to let the characters reveal their emotions and thoughts through actions and images instead of via mostly dialogue, which is the lazy way of crafting an adapted script.

This story had no real tension and conflict to drive the storyline forward, no plot--thus it's not plot-driven and had no meaningful plot twists, no mesmerizing opening scene to grab my attention, no formidable antagonist who challenged the mettle, resolve and intestinal fortitude of the protagonist (the only example I could think of was a concerned woman knocking on the side of Fern's van and kindly questioning her reason for parking the van on her private property), it was very slow paced and did not build up to a satisfying climax, no believable chemistry/camaraderie between any of the characters, no real purpose for the main character other than to find seasonal employment (even here they could have shown how companies such as Amazon exploited essential workers during the pandemic) and form superficial relationships with other nomads, bland backstory, no emotional changes executed throughout the film, none of the major characters transformed their lives in any noticeable way, no fleshing out of the characters, making them layered--thus it's not character-driven, no genuine moral premise, no witty dialogue, no do-or-die, all-is-lost point in the film where the stakes are raised forcing the main character to make extremely difficult choices, nothing I would constitute as visual art--okay I'll admit the cinematography was a sight to behold when examined in it's entirely but nothing really stood out visually that would be forever burned in my cerebral cortex, nothing original which I haven't seen done better in previous films, and no true portrayal of human poverty and suffering, they could have at least capitalized on her vulnerability to make us care about her plight, a woman-against-the-world archetype to root for and sympathize with, which should have been the underlying theme of this film.

Can anyone explain why this film was even nominated for a Best Adapted Screenplay Oscar, least to say, winning Academy Awards for Best Picture and Best Director?

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Wow! Very well articulated and I agree.

I felt nothing for the main character or any of them.

With what you said, I am now questioning whether this can be called a film.

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You're criticizing a movie for not being what it isn't. Chole Zhao knows precisely what she's doing.

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So can you explain what exactly IS this film supposed to be? Are you implying it's a great documentary?

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What I meant to say is that you seem to be criticizing an art house movie for lacking convention.

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So are you implying that if a film is full of flaws, in accordance to what screenwriting teachers generally consider filmmaking flaws, that one could give the excuse that it's an art house film? I mean, where is the art in this film?

And you are far from alone in your praise of this film as the critics consensus on Rotten Tomatoes states the following: "A poetic character study on the forgotten and downtrodden, Nomadland beautifully captures the restlessness left in the wake of the Great Recession."

Perhaps you can help me understand in what way was this film "a poetic character study on the forgotten and downtrodden?" Can you cite any specific examples which set this film poetically apart from the rest of the films released in 2020?

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Where you find flaw others may not, which isn't to say Nomadland's flawless or that a movie need be to be a good one. "Poetic" would describe its structure which is distinct.

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I understand how art is subjective and can mean different things to different people. However, I don't understand how the vast majority of professional film critics and members of the Academy agree that this was the best movie released last year.

Again for emphasis: Can you or anyone out there cite a specific example as to what made this film stand out from the rest?

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An answer to your question is in my last reply. Understanding the critics would probably entail reading their reviews.

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Having read through all of this thread, I wanted to add that I have to think your familiarity with nomads played an important role in how you received Nomadland. I find hard to imagine Zhao would've made it if most people were aware of them and their lifestyle.

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I'm all too familiar with nomads, as my neck of the woods has several chronically unsheltered homeless individuals living in surrounding areas. I've also watched all the critically acclaimed films that deal with the topic of nomads and the homeless. So while I admit Nomadland did ring true in portraying the lifestyle of a nomad, that's pretty much all it did. I did not see it as an artful expression of the life of a nomad.

I'd might as well pick up a camera and film a bunch of homeless people for a few hours, edit it a bit, and release it as a movie and it would be just as entertaining, perhaps even more so as Nomadland didn't capture the nitty-gritty of what it's like to lose everything and the physical, emotional, psychological and spiritual toll it takes on a human.

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Hype, familiarity with the subject matter, having read the book it's adapted from and other things can negatively affect how you receive a movie. That doesn't mean it will, but it can.

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I rarely read books--least to say, read books which adapted screenplays and films are based on.

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I agree with you but for different reasons. Zhao does know what she’s doing in that she made a film that the Academy would like. But that doesn’t mean the film is great.

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Hard to agree with your view given Nomadland's unconventional nature. As Alison Willmore at Vulture put it in a conversation about the Oscars: "A lyrical meditation on American independence as both a source of strength and a self-defeating tendency, with star Frances McDormand going wordless for long stretches, shitting in a bucket, and acting mostly alongside first-time performers drawn from the real-life nomad community — what shameless, stereotypical awards bait, amirite?" https://www.vulture.com/2021/04/2021-oscars-review-a-film-production-that-ran-out-of-money.html

As to the Academy and their selections, I've never paid them much attention.

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Zhao also made a film the critics would like as it currently has a 94% Certified Fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes. What I don't understand about critics is they often move the goal posts so to speak when critiquing films. Take for example the following:

The Mauritanian 75% RT rating. RT Critics Consensus:
"The Mauritanian takes a frustratingly generic approach to a real-life story that might have been inspirational in other hands, but Tahar Rahim's performance elevates the uneven material."

Mixed reviews by film critics is a major reason why this film was snubbed by Academy Awards voters. Case in point: The critics showered Zero Dark Thirty, which went on to receive a Best Picture Oscar nomination, while bashing The Mauritanian, which was just as good, even more so if one factors in the stellar performances by Tahar Rahim, Jodie Foster, Benedict Cumberbatch and Shailene Woodley.

Speaking of "generic approach", there was nothing original and groundbreaking about Nomadland either. There is definitely a double standard going on here.

Land 70% RT rating. RT Critics Consensus:
"Land's lovely vistas can't compensate for a hollowness at its center."

So the critics collectively praise the cinematography of Land while forsaking Robin Wright's unforgettable and riveting performance dealing with unfathomable events while living in an unforgivable environment and harsh wilderness which makes Nomadland seem like a walk in the park. So Land is hollow while Nomadland isn't?

Our Friend 85% RT rating. RT Critics Consensus:
"Our Friend's occasionally frustrating approach to dramatizing its fact-based story is often offset by a trio of starring performances led by a never-better Jason Segel."

And Nomadland was able to dramatize it's fact-based story?

Ava 16% RT rating. RT Critics Consensus:
"Ava seems to have all the components of an entertaining spy thriller, but not even this spectacular cast is enough to salvage the dull, clichéd story they're given to work with."

Dull and cliched story? Huh? While Ava wasn't the greatest spy thriller in recent memory, it was vastly more exciting and entertaining than Nomadland. Heck, Jessica Chastain exhibited more character arc in this film than McDormand did as Fern. Not sure why the critics absolutely bashed this film.

Crisis 65% RT rating. RT Critics Consensus:
"With its serious-minded story, Crisis aims higher than many crime thrillers -- but uneven acting and a spotty script mean the end result falls short of its goals."

Uneven acting? While this wasn't Gary Oldman's best performance, it was still first rate if you ask me. And Evangeline Lilly showed more range in this compared to McDormand in Nomadland.

Spotty script? At least it was a screenplay worthy of basing a feature film on as it was full of conflict and tension thick enough to cut with a knife, to drive the storyline forward from the beginning of Act 1 to the end of Act 3. While Crisis received mixed reviews, it was still vastly more profound, compelling and entertaining than Nomadland, by a long shot.

Pieces of a Woman 75% RT rating. RT Critics Consensus:
"Pieces of a Woman struggles to maintain momentum after a stunning opening act, but Vanessa Kirby's performance makes the end result a poignant portrait of grief."

While this film was not exactly my cup of tea, Kirby did a much better job in portraying grief than McDormand did in Nomadland.

The Invisible Man 91% RT rating. RT Critics Consensus:
"Smart, well-acted, and above all scary, The Invisible Man proves that sometimes, the classic source material for a fresh reboot can be hiding in plain sight."

Makes on wonder why this film wasn't nominated for a Best Picture Oscar or any Oscar for that matter, as this was in my opinion, one of the best films released in 2020, predominantly because of it's Hitchcock-esque style suspense and well crafted script. Sure, this film was a reboot, but so was Little Women, which was nominated for 5 Academy Awards last year, including a Best Picture Oscar nom.

Promising Young Woman 90% RT rating. RT Critics Consensus:
"A boldly provocative, timely thriller, Promising Young Woman is an auspicious feature debut for writer-director Emerald Fennell -- and a career highlight for Carey Mulligan."

Carey Mulligan churned out the best performance by an actress in 2020, evidence by her extraordinary range and thus should have garnered her a Best Actress Oscar. This film was also highly entertaining in large part because of its clever script and well executed direction.

In conclusion, some make the argument that this wasn't a strong year for films. However, there were worthy candidates for Best Picture such as Da 5 Bloods, Trial of the Chicago 7, Judas and the Black Messiah, The Father and Promising Young Woman, all of which would have been more deserving of the Academy's top prize as they all fit the definition of a full-length feature film instead of a documentary like Nomadland appears to resemble.

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