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330 million opening weekend, more than black adam


Just wow, crazy numbers, made nore than black adam after one weekend, boom.

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How much did Doctor Strange make OW?

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430

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BP made 330. If you scale that the final box office, you get 730m. Less than Thor: Love and Thunder, and that movie was considered a flop.

Expectations matter, otherwise you like the people who were claiming that 870m was a success for Batmna v Superman.

MCU is on a sharp downward trajectory. It's only a matter of time before we get a Solo and the executives will suddenly panic.

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Lol, thor considered a flop? Good one, mcu are just so successful they expect each movie to cross a billion, whos know what BP will make, 330 is still impressive. Mcu on a sharp downward trajectory, they still release the most successful movies year in year out.

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Remember whan The Last Jedi made 1.3B and people were saying it was still a good box office, even though the writing was on the wall? There is always a delayed effect as fans are first in denial and want to cling to the franchise they love, until they move on to the acceptance stage and just stop turning up. I predict The Marvels will be the first hard flop.

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The last jedi was turd thats why.

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That doesn't detract from his point. The Last Jedi created negative mind share that set up a sharp downturn in revenue for the movies that followed.

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According to deadline 21% of all domestic box office for 2021 and 2022 came from Marvel films.

If the MCU goes into decline that's very very bad news for the theaters.

The cinema score and post track numbers for bp2 are slightly below the first film but better than either Doctor Strange or love and thunder.

So the film is likely to have very very strong legs.

I have no idea what the next few years will bring of course. And personally I am now a little checked out of the MCU myself. But I don't think he can say that there's a decline in place based on what this movie is doing. It's almost certainly going to make at least half a billion domestically. I'm less certain of international numbers but I ultimately think it'd be pretty surprising if it doesn't get close to a billion total.

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Like I said, there will be a delayed effect. Fans are going to start checking out. People are still going to see Marvel movies out of habit.

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It’s hard to buy your MCU is failing theory when I look at the top 10 films of 2022 and see that MCU films are currently ranked 1, 3, 7, and 9 in terms of box office earnings. Even if you take out what Spider-Man made in December, and only count its 2022 take, it’s STILL in 7th place.

Just the fact that Black Panther debuted in 9th place for the year is telling. MCU films pack theaters and make money.

Theater-going is down overall, so no film is expected to make as much in 2022 as a film in 2019 did, but it’s clear that the MCU films are still leading the pack.

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In the entire history of tne MCU, the only sequel to ever make less than its predecssor is Age of Ultron. The MCU is about to have 2 in a row,

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Every film franchise is going to experience that, unless audiences stop streaming at home and returning to theaters. People just aren't going to the movies as often in 2022 as they were pre-pandemic. Unless that trend reverses, you won't see the same kinds of numbers you once saw.

However, specific to the films you mentioned-- both were follow-ups to outrageously popular, break the metrics, huge films. You nearly never, if ever, see sequels to those films outdo the original. Anyone who understands how the box office works knew as soon as Black Panther's run ended that no Black Panther sequel would ever come close to the numbers it earned. That was a one-time phenomenon that became a cultural event. That happens maybe once every decade, if that often. Your attempt to measure the sequel against that film's performance is obvious nonsense, and smacks of some sort of bias or pre-existing grudge against the film.

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The box office is back to normal. There just aren't enough good films that people want to see being released. No. 10 movie at the US box office is Elvis. That tells you all you need to know.
Top gun and Spiderman made huge box office. If there are good movies then people will go.

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Thor: Love & Thunder isn’t a flop, it actually probably made more than expected considering it’s mixed critical reception and the fact that unlike Thor: Ragnarok it didn’t get a release in China or Russia.

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Thor: Ragnarok it didn’t get a release in China or Russia.


That's what happens when they put an agenda in front of profits.

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More than Top Gun 2 too!

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It was way better than Black Adam...

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The MCU is far from being over. The film itself might be sucking, but it is a big train, which very slowly stops. The best thing for Disney is, that the MCU is so interwoven, so usually also the less important movies/shows invites to turn in to be up to date. The DCU does not have this, every movie stands for it alone and "no one" knows Black Adam. So basically every movie has to earn its audience, MCU movie have it already a super huge base.
The 180 domestic is still impressive, even inflation corrected, the movie is still in the MCU Top 10, a better start as ANY (except third installments, Avengers) of ANY major MCU Series (Iron-Man, Captain America and Spider-Man). That's how big of a juggernaut the MCU is. So at least this movie will hardly disappoint officially box office wise. But the MCU basically only knows one way: each sequel performs better as its predecessor. This movie will be the first MCU movie with a LOWER box office opening weekend as its predecessor. And the third one after Thor 4 and Avengers 2 with a most likely much lower final box office. Both movies gained over 100 Million less, so it will be at least counted as an internal failure. In general every MCU movie below 800 Million would count as a failure, as it would put it inflation corrected somewhere below the Top 30.

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To those saying the numbers are bad, there's a lot of people struggling financially so I can imagine the cinema numbers will be down in general.

Also a lot of people will probably just wait for it to go free on Disney plus. I don't think you can compare previous figures and back when the first film came out, Disney plus wasn't a thing

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agreed

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