Even if Wakanda was real...
Even if Wakanda was a real place, it would have been built by Europeans.
sharesubsidized by white taxpayers just like the projects here in Cleveland
shareLook at South Africa:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-10/south-africa-heading-toward-becoming-a-failed-state-group-says
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/security/396335-most-south-african-air-force-aircraft-systems-unavailable.html
In less than 30 years of black majority rule...every institution civilian and military is crumbling. On their way to become the next Zimbabwe.
Mind you during white minority rule this was the only country in Africa with nuclear weapons. The only country with an indigenous weapons program. Now all going bankrupt.
Wakanda was real...it was built by whites.
Do you think it would be ideal for white people to take over and babysit every single country? For the good of mankind?
Perhaps even take over China, which is its own self-supported superpower? Or nah????
Not in the least. Quite the opposite actually. I just think whites have the right just like every other group to their own countries and to pass them down to their progeny. Mozambique becoming majority Chinese is just as tragic as Germany becoming majority Turkish/Arab.
shareWhite people did have their own countries in Europe. They're the ones that chose to spread out and colonize the New World, Africa, and Asia. Then they brought Africans here. And established a country, then started spreading into territories in North America that were already occupied by different kinds of brown people
What you ACTUALLY want, but just never say out loud in any of your accounts, is that you want to EXPEL non-white people out of countries that they currently reside in. To do so would necessarily require authoritarian policies because even repealing all Civil Rights laws wouldn't get you an all-white country
As Jefferson said, "If you want something you've never had, you must be willing to do something you've never done."
The U.S. has never had an all-white population. Realistically, to get that you would need coercive force. White nationalists nowadays pretend like they're patriots, but they don't actually represent any of the liberal values that the country was founded on
I don't think very highly of the Classical Liberalism of the Founding Fathers either, but at least I'm honest about it
Yeah key word did. They should still have them.
Read up on the Immigration Act of 1790, then you’ll see that The Founding Fathers had a lot more in common with White Nationalists than most people are willing to admit.
Point is that they voluntarily gave that up. For the possibility of gaining more material wealth. That's the hitch with modern white nationalist theories, you'll never gain broad support because white nationalism isn't economically feasible. The best you can hope for is that we get another Germany, a country that has a severe economic collapse and resorts to desperate ideological measures. And even then history will just repeat itself and all those policies will be reversed
Yeah, they also had SLAVES. They had a lot in common with white nationalists if you think about it in the glib way that you do. My point is that if the country's ideological and legal framework was truly built around white identity then the U.S. wouldn't have even had the legal or intellectual recourse to pave a path toward emancipation, civil rights, and open borders
Yes they got subverted over time. Nobody in their right mind would welcome “diversity.”
White Nationalism was quite economically feasible. All we’ve gotten since open borders is higher crime, terrorism and depressed wages.
Yes a few people have gotten richer...but for the majority.. “diversity” Has been a disaster.
Can I speak to the manager of white nationalism? This model is broken and just keeps repeating the same things over and over
shareI’m pretty sure having 3 major recessions in the last 20 years, depressed wages, skyrocketing crime, terrorism, a police state and a culture that is in the toilet does not constitute as a functioning model.
We’re not trying to force our model on everyone else...unlike others. We’re Just Pressing that opt out button from Clown World.
Just about every political and social philosophy has their own answer for both the causes and the solutions that you listed. Just listing societal ills is not a good argument. I know that that's one of the main rhetorical tools in the white nationalist handbook, and it works on angry, confused, disaffected young white men. But it's too surface level to mean much
White nationalism is all that you post about, at least on this account. Clearly it's very important to you. So if you want to, I'll listen. I think you're brainwashed, disclaimer, but if you want to lay out a model for how it would work, I'm curious to hear it
I know that you aren't forcing anything on people, but you don't have the base of support to do that anyway. White nationalism isn't truly a "single-issue" ideology, unless you'd like to point to me real extant movements that are exceptions. But if like most white nationalists, your platform possesses a path that could lead to the disenfranchisement of "undesirable" whites, such as homosexuals, the mentally ill, feminist women, any white man with any reason to identify strongly with left-wing causes, white men with political interests or economic interests that benefit from living in a mixed-race country (meaning those in businesses that primarily use a non-white labor force, customer base, etc.), etc.
Is your hope to form an all-white commune? Or is it to "take back" a current Western country and actually change legislation to ensure a homogenous racial identity?
And what specifically would that legislation look like? Would it require mass deportation? Revocation of citizenship? Or would it just be stopping immigration and waiting for the population's ethnic proportions to change through reproduction over generations? And if so, would legislation to ensure that whites reproduce at a higher rate than the minorities which still reside in the country?
This is, of course, if your hope IS that it's the U.S. adopts this vision
The US is gone, it died in 1965. It just hasn’t felt the effects until recently.
In my version of a state(white ethno state)...I and my fellow citizens wouldn’t need to have it be a behemoth.
You have a police state because of the demographics you have(that need extra policing) and the pop culture that is spewed out, a pop culture that glorifies gangsterism, drug abuse and mocks education and hard work.
You have a military industrial complex(and by extension a militarized police) because you don’t have an independent foreign policy that would have a more subdued military component.
You have a bloated legal sector because again it boils down to culture...lawsuit happy people looking to cash in quickly. Because your society has lost its social fabric. There are no more neighbors or communities...just fellow consumers scrounging against one another to stay afloat.
You will never have your liberal multi racial utopia with the demographics and culture you have now.
I'm not a liberal, and I don't believe in a liberal multiracial utopia. And I'm not a fan of American or Western culture. As far as demographics, I don't have a particularly strong opinion on what a good, decent society would have, in terms of diversity. All of your points are broad-strokes stuff
If you're talking about forming a white ethnic commune, I don't think anybody is stopping you. If you are talking about the entirety of Western civilization, or specifically "white countries", like Canada, the U.S., and much of Europe, then I don't see what you are describing except for a fantasy
I actually agree with many of the ideas you have about how a society could be much less corrupt, violent, and decadent. I think humans are generally happiest when living in small-scale communities that are closer in structure and organization to the conditions in which the species evolved
However, I recognize that wishing for that IS utopian thinking. Your ideal state sounds like a form of anarchism with just white people. It's a pipe dream, just like most other variations of anarchism (I'm an anarchist, but I'm also a realist). If you want to live in a smaller-population sovereign state that rejects the excesses of liberalism, then that's great. Go form a commune
But none of your criticisms of Western liberalism are unique: you'll find them all among both communist and fundamental Islamic thinkers (and probably other groups. The Unabomber comes to mind). Their proposed solutions are different from yours, of course, but both of those groups have already tried very hard to oppose Western liberalism on a large scale and have not been very successful
I’m an anarchist? I should tell this to my Anarchist friend who I keep having debates with.
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