Fun or frustrating?


I won't say i disliked this season. Johnny being an out of touch screw up is still hilarious. William Zabka is wonderful as the lovable fuck up

I won't even say I dislike the ridiculous fights. They are so over-the-top and unbelievable, they mimic something along the lines of Power Rangers or Buffy the Vampire Slayer. They are fun and I accept they are pure fantasy.

But the constant switching sides and absolute refusal to make anyone a villain (Silver will bw forgiven by the end of next season at this rate) is infuriating. Johnny and Daniel falling out, only to team up again is just ridiculous. Making me try to feel bad for Tory - who pretty much tried to murder Sam - and portraying Sam as a big bad for making fun of Tory is absurd. It's not comparable to what Tory has done to Sam. Redeeming Silver not only have him go bad again, but double cross Kreese - who is now a victim - is too much. Making Hawk a victim again, despite the fact he bullied that new kid, and then making him the hero at the end is beyond the realm of believable.

I won't say I have never forgiven any of these characters.I did not expect to like Johnny and sure as shit didn't expect to like Chozen. And I legitimately felt bad for Kreese, but the fact that they do it sooooo much is irritating. It loses it's impact. They have played this card waaaaay too much and you know they're not going to stop, It's the show's MO.

This show is so fucking obsessed with refusing to make anyone a villain that it defies all logic (and character development). This whole "everyone is a bully at one point" argument is crap.For God's sake, Ali literally said something like "There's your version, your version, and the truth" to Daniel and Johnny. NO. Johnny bullied Daniel relentlessly. It's not debatable. Now I thought it was hilarious that it turned out the reason they broke up because Daniel flipped out at her SPEAKING to a college guy, but this insistence that everyone is wrong, no one is totally right, is crap. It is indisputable Johnny and the Kais tortured him as a kid.

Now this show wants me to forgive Tory? I just don't think I can take anymore of this flip flopping and refusal to admit some people are crap.

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What gets me the most is the instant karate expert status. Take the new black kid for example, he goes from total nerdy wuss to fighting in a tournament in a rather short space of time. Same goes for most of the characters who were novices to the sport and most of them were and still are dorks.

Johnny and Daniel clashing is the whole basis of the show so that won't go away and it can be funny. I like seeing Daniel proven wrong.

I don't care how they try and change Kreese or Silver both are villains to me. I find Silver to be the more cunning villain though. Kreese is more a revenge driven cartoon character.

What makes the show different and interesting is that there aren't any good guys. They are all bad in their own way. Come to think of it Johnny is the closest to being pure of heart. When the kids lured Cobra Kai to the field and turned the sprinklers on them Johnny said it was poking the bear. Even Daniel thought it was a funny prank but we saw how Daniel poked the bear throughout KK 1.

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I don't mind the instant karate expert status in most instances.

It happened in the original, but they definitely push it in this show. A music montage or two is supposed to represent hours a day. Weeks at a time. But yeah, that black kid in this past season being tournament worthy is a joke.

You said "I don't care what they say, Kreese and Silver are always villains to me" and followed it up with "There are no good guys, they are all bad in their own way." Sorry, that's a blatant contradiction. I think you know the back and forth shit is done a little much and not always valid.

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Fun. I love it. Whatever they’re doing they need to keep doing it but end the show on a great mic drop and not drag it out until it jumps the shark. One more season, maybe two, is enough.

But yeah, I love how it plays with your sympathies and shows the Yin and Yang in everyone. It does this while still having clearly decent and clearly evil characters - but that’s life, there’s good in every villain and shitbaggery in every good guy.

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"but that’s life, there’s good in every villain and shitbaggery in every good guy."

This just isn't true.

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Sure it is. Do you know anyone 100% good or evil?

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Richard Kuklinski and Saddam Hussein were just misunderstood, eh?

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Misunderstood by whom?

My point is that at some point in their lives they will have been victims or performed an act of kindness. They didn’t spend cradle to grave doing purely malevolent acts.

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We're not talking about cradle to grave, we're talking about characters switching allegiances every 3rd episode. this isn't a good person getting miserable and turning into a villain over the course of their life or a bad person reforming later in life, we're talking about constant changes.

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We’re talking about my statement "but that’s life, there’s good in every villain and shitbaggery in every good guy" which is true.

Characters switching allegiances is a separate issue.

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They fumbled the bag dealing with Kreese and Silver. That relationship was the biggest reason for my zeal for the show. That was an untouchable friendship and they shat all over it.

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I don't mind that Kreese reformed, because he went back to his true nature. But to them attempt to reform Kreese? It's too much too often.

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It reflects reality in that no one is completely good or completely bad. I'm pretty sure most people have someone who is jealous of them, even if they didn't realize it. To that person you would be the villain in their lives. The original movies were more black and white, but when you think about it...

1. From Kreese's perspective Mr. Miyagi was a grown man who beat up his students. Any sensei would be angry.

2. Johnny and the Cobra Kai decided to leave Daniel alone, but then he hosed down Johnny who was just trying to enjoy a cigarette.

3. Daniel abused Kreese's no-fight order by taunting the Cobra Kai in school and causing them to lose face.

4. Daniel ruined any chance of Johnny and Ali getting back together and turned Johnny into Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite.

Part II:

1. Daniel caused Chozen to lose face in front of the village.

2. Mr. Miyagi stole Sato's girlfriend, who Sato loved and was looking forward to marrying since he was a child.

3. Miyagi dishonorably refused to settle their dispute in the ancient honorable way.

Part III:

1. Daniel hoped that Terry Silver would have committed murder and offed Mike Barnes.

2. Daniel struck Mike Barnes first during their battle in the Little Trees shop. Mike Barnes asked Daniel to not punch him in the face. Rather than apologize, Daniel punched him again.

3. Daniel put Jessica in unnecessary danger trying to get a bonsai tree that Miyagi wanted left alone.

4. Daniel disrespect Miyagi in Miyagi's own house.

There are so many other examples, but this proves my point. No one in the series has been entirely good or entirely bad. Even Kumiko ruined Chozen's shirt.

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Kreese's students were beating on a kid they outnumbered 5-to-1. A kid they also threw down a small mountain at one point, which was AFTER Johnny started shit with him on the beach.

And Chozen was ripping people off. He was a criminal. End of story.

Get out of my face with this nonsense. I seriously have no tolerance for this kind of shit. This joke isn't funny anymore. Take your crap to the KK3 board.

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"Kreese's students were beating on a kid they outnumbered 5-to-1. A kid they also threw down a small mountain at one point, which was AFTER Johnny started shit with him on the beach."

True, but it is unlikely that Kreese knew about that.

"And Chozen was ripping people off. He was a criminal. End of story."

No argument there, I'm just saying that from Chozen's point of view he probably sees Daniel as a villain. It is unlikely that he thought, "hey, you know, I'm a criminal and this new guy did the right thing by humiliating me in front of everyone. Fair enough."

"Get out of my face with this nonsense. I seriously have no tolerance for this kind of shit. This joke isn't funny anymore. Take your crap to the KK3 board."

And yet you took time to respond when you could have just ignored this post. You tolerated it enough to provide a different perspective. That is honorable.

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FUN!!!

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