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Terminator DEMANDS a VISIONARY film director

posted 5 years ago by bozo_500 (13219)
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T3 Mostow, T4 McG, T5 Alan Taylor, T6 Tim Miller

All respect to those guys but NONE are what you'd call visionary directors AT ALL . In fact the very notion is LAUGHABLE in a couple of them

but Cameron was/is like if Stanley Kubrick had made SF action movies, or a more action based Ridley Scott . those 3 guys are the absolute CREAM of film making. They were/still are film making VISIONARIES. Absolute film making GENIUSES (Scott was actually down to direct T3 but pulled out .. good god what a missed opportunity that was!)

Terminator requires.. nay DEMANDS... a film making visionary at the helm.. to give it that scale, that dark ethereal disturbing atmosphere , that T1/2 night time doomed world feel that only the central characters know about, the beatific horror of Judgment Day and blue chrome night/pink plasma fire future battle fields, the insane action scenes that are a step above the norm, the shots, the framing, cinematography, all that stuff.. it should be like the action/brutality of Die Hard meets the dreamlike other-worldliness of BLADE RUNNER.

Terminator should have NEVER strayed away from having a visionary director like the way Alien didn't for good or ill.. (if you ignore the AvPs)

Its the stuff that the likes of the T3456 directors just haven't got.. and all that can be hoped for is a solid action movie comparable to whatever action films are out around that time (T3/Breakdown meets Emmerich, T4/Transformers, T5/MCU & Fast&Furious, T6/Deadpool & F&F & SJW) which for Terminator is an absolute FAIL.

[–] BurningSun (717) 5 years ago

Mostow was hired because the producers were just trying to make a big action film, and he was known for his unqiue action sequences. I have always loved Breakdown, there’s just not another film like it. You can see his imagination occasionally breaking through in T3 but it feels more like a studio mishandling than poor direction.

[–] bozo_500 (13219) 5 years ago

I really liked Breakdown too (saw it in cinema) but I'm afraid his T3 wasn't that great (especially watching it now)

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

James Cameron should have been the only director ever allowed to make Terminator movies. End of discussion.

[–] bozo_500 (13219) 5 years ago

After 4 duds in a row, its undeniable. Cameron as director or gtfo. Although Ridley Scott's T3 would've been an incredible propect (just as anticipated as a Cameron T3)

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

That's right, bozo. Ridley Scott would've directed an outstanding Terminator 3 movie. If the producers couldn't get Cameron, then Scott would've been the next best choice!

[–] MrFilmJunkie (909) 5 years ago

well, many people are bashing scott's alien sequels the same way they do terminator dark fate. 'covenant' currently even has a worse imdb rating.

[–] bozo_500 (13219) 5 years ago

Well even had it been the same 2003 script Scotts T3 would've at least been visually interesting(try to imagine Ridley Scott 2029 future war scenes) not so much like a TV movie.

[–] maximmm (3362) 5 years ago

I suppose with Scott, there's hope he'd cast the film better - his crappy alien sequels, as bad as they were, didn't have miscasting issues.

[–] maximmm (3362) 5 years ago

Yep - Scott has no place being on the list of the greats, just like Lucas. Spielberg, despite his failings, should be on that list - even if he's not exactly an action-film wizard.

[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

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[–] maximmm (3362) 5 years ago

I'd say the top sfx film director these days, aside from Cameron, is the dude who made district 9. It still pisses me off that the studio execs didn't allow him to do his thing with alien franchise (he was going to cancel crappy aliens sequels and have a direct sequel to the second film (kind of like this film, actually)).

[–] bozo_500 (13219) 5 years ago

Yes his Aliens sequel was exactly same scenario like Dark Fate

Think most fans wanted it for obvious reasons, but there also seemed to be just as many who didn't want it as they were like Alien shouldn't be alternate realities/time travel or whatever it going to be (probably just the same as Halloween 2018 did in just ignoring the sequels without any explanation whatsoever )

[–] maximmm (3362) 5 years ago

I kind of agree, though it's not clear where he would have taken it. The thing is though - by the time this story came out, we already saw Scott's sequel and how crappy it was and most of us didn't want to see anymore of his crap, so I was more interested in seeing where the district 9 dude would take it. And now, Scott is directing yet another sequel - and given just how crappy the previous 2 films were, I'm pretty sure the next one is going to be a turd as well. Though, I suppose Scott should be given some credit for trying to move the story along and not rehashing it like terminator sequels - even if his sequels do have more holes than one could count.

[–] bozo_500 (13219) 4 years ago

as we now know Alien is going to be a stream series..but im still holding out hope for that one last Ridley movie that will trump the previous 2 (like Lucas did with Episode III)

[–] exithereplease (3553) 5 years ago

It demands a smaller budget.

[–] bozo_500 (13219) 5 years ago

It demands a fuckin great film more than once every 30 years