The premise is a plot hole


the whole handmaid sex slave thing seems like a silly exploitation fantasy, considering alternatives like artificial insemination and surrogacy. and commanders' fertility isn't even tested, seriously?

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It is hard to believe. However, it's mentioned in the novel that their religion doesn't allow things like artificial insemination or fertility testing (or even screening for birth defects) as that would be interfering with God's plan, basically. The most pious believers of this religion would not be questioning the commanders' fertility because that would be admitting that the men in control have a weakness.

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"In fiction a plot hole, plothole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot. Such inconsistencies include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline." - wikipedia

Sorry, not a plot hole. There isn't anything contradictory or inconsistent with this plot. It might seem fantastical to you, and I'm not knocking you for your opinion on the plot, just you calling the actual plot a plot hole.

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well, the regimen in the show justifies their morals with an alleged inevitability, which is contradicted by the fact that there is no actual inevitability.

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The author based the handmaid sex thing that you refer on the Bible.

Sisters Leah and Rachel are married to Jacob. Leah has a few sons, but Rachel can't get pregnant. Rachel convinces Jacob to get her handmaid, Bilhah pregnant so that Rachel can have children through her. Bilhah has two sons which Rachel and Jacob raise as their own.

Genesis 30:1-3: “And she said, Behold my maid Bilhah, go in unto her; and she shall bear upon my knees, that I may also have children by her.”

Re: your other comments:
It's common to blame infertility on the woman throughout history. No need to test the man when it's ALWAYS the woman's fault.

Some strict religions are against artificial insemination and surrogacy like Catholics, Mormons, some Jewish groups, some Evangelicals, etc. The people in this show are based on Puritans.

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yeah, but then it's just a religious cult with grotesque views, which opens a new box of "failing to suspend disbelief" problems, like how could this regimen take over if they don't offer conclusive solutions to an actual crisis, and are "just another cult".

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"a religious cult with grotesque views"

People fall for malarkey all the time. They want to believe because they have no other hope so they are desperate. Some cult leaders deceive and say they have all the answers. Also, cult leaders tend to be very charismatic. Change a few laws and you'd be surprised how fast a democracy can turn into a autocracy or theocracy.

A few examples:
Jim Jones whose followers committed mass suicide.

David Koresh, cult leader of the Branch Davidians whose followers died believing they were saving themselves from the great evil American government.

Heaven's Gate cult in which followers committed suicide thinking they would board a passing spaceship that was following a comet.

Religious cults happen all the time. You just need a religious cult leader wrapping himself in nationalism to gain political power. Almost overnight working women in Afghanistan were banned from jobs, and leaving a house without burka and no education for females.

Or the the witch trials in Salem Mass. which was just an excuse to subjugate women, but religion was used as a weapon.

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I am not sure what you mean. I have not watched the show yet, and I am not sure if I will. Elizabeth Moss looks nothing like a concubine. I saw the movie a long time when it came out and did not like it.

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Another plot hole, or "religious reasoning" is how they expect the Handmaids to stone a woman to death. The extreme stress from this would put the pregnant women at risk, so makes no sense. There's no reason why they couldn't just have the guards execute the woman. Stoning to death was just a "shocking" dramatic device used as a way for the main Handmaid to rebel. I thought it was sloppy writing.

Still a good show, but there's more than a few unlikely scenarios.

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I disagree that is was sloppy writing.

Stoning is used against sinners in the Bible.

The handmaidens are doing God's will by "salvaging" or bringing salvation and protecting society against the sinner. Doing God's will shouldn't bring stress upon anyone.

Stoning is still done in some "religious" countries.

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Doing God's will shouldn't bring stress upon anyone.


That logic only applies when the people doing the stoning are religious by choice.

Further more, they are asked to stone one of their own, which obviously they don't want to do. Forcing them to commit such an act goes against protecting the babies they carry. In the same manner as the girl avoided further beating by the boss woman when she learned she was pregnant. The boss lady was "doing God's work" by beating her, but then stopped when learning of her pregnancy.

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"The handmaidens are doing God's will by "salvaging" or bringing salvation and protecting society against the sinner. Doing God's will shouldn't bring stress upon anyone."

This whole quote is from the perspective of the aunts and other leaders in their society. Not much logic in religion. Many people are forced to follow with threats of damnation, punishment, isolation, etc. which is happening in this show.

The aunt didn't expect the handmaidens to rebel. She expected them to go along with the program and stone the woman like good obedient (brainwashed) servants of God.

Of course, many of the handmaidens are miserable and stressed. They're being raped and having their children stolen from them under the guise of religion. Everything in the book./TV show is reality based so that is the greater horror. Stoning is real. Babies taken from powerless women happens.

The stoning scene was the turning point when their society went one step too far (breaking point) and the handmaidens realized their own empowerment.

I think great shows/books are a reflection of us (society and as individuals) to make us think about what we are or can become if not careful.

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Everything in the book./TV show is reality based so that is the greater horror. Stoning is real. Babies taken from powerless women happens.

Really? Where are these things happening, exactly?

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One example would be the Magdalene asylums in Ireland. They operated until the late 20th century, forcibly separating unmarried mothers from their children. The babies were adopted and the mothers locked up in servitude as a punishment for their “immorality.”

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Even if the last Magdalene asylum wasn't closed until I think 1996 (!), most of the atrocities seem to have happened much earlier than that. Those places are a thing of the past, and nobody wants them back.

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Those are Muslim countries in Asia and Africa, so they would have a notably different history and culture than the US. But believing that a society like Gilead could ever happen in the US (or any other occidental country) is just a very far-fetched fantasy, that is created to bash Christians (out of whom 99 % would never want such a society either).

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<< There's no reason why they couldn't just have the guards execute the woman. >>

The stoning allows the handmaids to vent their pent-up frustration and aggression. It helps keep them from directing this as the families they're placed with.
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That still makes no sense in that they are asked to stone one of their own. "Venting" is about getting rid of stress, not adding more. It would be obvious they wouldn't want to stone anyone to death.

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<< It would be obvious they wouldn't want to stone anyone to death. >>

The handmaids indeed are angry enough to kill, and they have a significant suicide rate. There's a lot brewing below the surface and they could snap at any moment. Having them do these occassional killings lets off steam.

(In the book, we only see this group "salvaging" only done once, against a male guard who allegedly raped a handmaid, supposedly causing her to miscarry.)
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Season 2 goes more into the methods of control used by the Aunts. One is to punish the group for the actions of an individual, while the individual is excluded from punishment. That's how they are conditioned into attacking one of their own. This method was also shown in Full Metal Jacket, where the one recruit was lagging in pretty much everything. The rest of the group was being punished for it, until they eventually got together and beat the humanity out of the guy.

Under enough conditioning, they will turn on one of their own if given the command, because subconsciously they fear punishment.

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Another unlikely scenario was going to Jezabels the very next night..Come on now, that was silly.

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>Another plot hole, or "religious reasoning" is how they expect the Handmaids to stone a woman to death. The extreme stress from this would put the pregnant women at risk, so makes no sense. There's no reason why they couldn't just have the guards execute the woman. Stoning to death was just a "shocking" dramatic device used as a way for the main Handmaid to rebel. I thought it was sloppy writing.

You'd be surprised at how little brainwashing you need to make a person obedient. They've had them - the Handmaidens - beat a man to death in the first episode, and have been shown not afraid to use physical punishment or even maiming (Cutting off a hand for reading) to enforce they rules/laws.

The point in having the Handmaidens do it and not the guards served multiple purposes. It makes them complicit in the atrocity. It helps cement the narrative that they are all 'banded' together in their 'glorious' purpose, it also makes it a warning, that this is what will happen to you if you get any ideas to harm yourself or hold your child hostage.

I would make the assumption that at the time, to their knowledge, none of these women where pregnant, and perhaps would be exempt otherwise, like Offred quickly was once Aunt Lydia was informed she was pregnant, and they rushed to care for her.

It might seem like a shocking plot device, but given there was psychological reasoning behind why Gilead would make the Handmaids do it themselves to someone they called a friend, it makes sense their choice to be seemingly disobedient, out of care for Janine, but in a meek and passive way, good storytelling.

There's been careful methods to the Handmaids 'conditioning', which is why the regime was so quick to enact swift retribution in order to maintain the notion that they have all the power.

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Regardless of your interpretation, I still dislike the fiction on this point. Stoning is a particularly brutal method of murder, and I don't buy that all those guards and everyone else involved on the administrative side would design or condone such routine butchery into the culture.

Remember that the timeline of these events is meant to be not too far from when the world was relatively normal. We're expected to believe that things could descend to this level in such a short time.

For me, the Aunt Lydia character is too extreme. A psychopath somehow given position of power in the ironic quest for human life. We would presume her behaviour and methods are in line with the system in place... of which I find implausible. I'm still enjoying it for the most part, even with some reservations.

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I'm interested in your thoughts on Shirley Jackson's The Lottery? You can find the short film on Youtube if you aren't familiar with the story.

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This entire book is an illustration of Margaret Atwood's beliefs and fears as an atheist, feminazi liberal in Canada. She originally wrote the book in response to President Reagan's actions in the 80s, and used a lot of symbolism in her book.

The book basically shows that she hates Christians, she hates men, and shows what she wishes would happen to Christians everywhere in America, as punishment for all their "slights" towards her and others like herself, real or imagined. The book is basically a giant turd she wishes had fallen on Americans years ago, but nobody really paid attention to until the tv show came out.

I can tell you right now that such a coup could NEVER happen, under any circumstances, and no Christian in his or her right mind would EVER support the wicked things the Sons of Jacob did to society in the eastern US. Plus, our government has backup plans in place to prevent such a coup from ever happening.

It should be noted that the book indicated that Gilead did not last forever, and the entire story is derived from tapes Offred used to record her experiences, which were discovered 200 years later and studied at a university somewhere in North America. So apparently the Sons of Jacob got what they deserved eventually.

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It's really not that hard to believe. The men in the religious group find no fault with themselves, so they don't believe that *they* could be the ones with infertility issues. They're deeply misogynistic, so believe that it's a problem with the women being infertile. They're all "sluts" and "whores", and need to be "purified". This is technically surrogacy too, and because of their extreme religious views, they don't believe in scientific reproduction.

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