ugh.......... - The Get Down (2016) Discussion

[–] activista 8 years ago

FYI, the director does have a number of rap pioneers from that era who are serving as advisors and producers on the show---Grandmaster Flash,who's interviewed here, and Nas,who's also an advisor and one of the producers.

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2016/08/grandmaster-flash-baz-luhrmann-get-down-netflix-series-turntablism-early-hip-hop

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[–] mrjdc_22 8 years ago

So I"ve heard...however, I don't believe those are people who make decisions about the look and feel of the piece. Having a couple of "hip-hop people" as advisors doesn't mean you're gonna get it right. And why Nas? Did he invest money in the film (since he is called an "executive producer")? He was pretty young during the years of this movie's setting. Where were the old heads they could have consulted with?

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[–] activista 8 years ago

@mrjdc

Did you even read the interview? Flash said Luhrmann went over every little thing with him to get as much correct and accurate about the period the show is set in as possible. Which you would know had you actually bothered to do some more research on it,and had you actually watched the whole show before complaining about it not being this or that or whatever. One of the main supervising producers of the show is Nelson George, one of the first journalists to write about hip-hop as is was shaping itself into a musical force to be reckoned with:

http://hiphopdx.com/news/id.39969/title.nelson-george-on-the-get-down-early-days-of-hip-hop-journalism

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[–] mrjdc_22 8 years ago

Sorry.........I don't buy it. People can say anything in an interview. And EVEN if someone like "Flash" consulted with Luhrmann, that doesn't mean those thoughts then translated onto the screen. No matter what you say, I still see the show as a cartoon version of the period.

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[–] torvoris 8 years ago

The fact that you're saying Grandmaster Flash "got it wrong" about the early beginnings of hip hop when he has done interviews about the series claiming it was authentic is hilarious. So if you don't believe what Flash, who a good portion of the series centers around, then who will you believe? Would be believe Tarantino if he made his own version?

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[–] activista 8 years ago

@mjrdc_22

Just read the article----Luhrmman had to consult with all the rap pioneers he was able to get on board with the project to even get the look and feel and tone of the show right. He felt ( and rightly so) that it was the only way to make the show look and feel authentic. They even put the actors through a months-long course on how to DJ, scratch records, breakdance and rap old-school style. So,yes they had a whole lot of imput into the show how it eventually turned out. To say that anybody can say anything in an interview is pretty ridiculous and a lame answer on top of that. If Luhrmman really wanted to whitewash this show, he could have just thrown in some fake-a** Hollywood-type story about some white savior character who discovers these kids doing this new thing called hip-hop, and get them their first record contract or something. Which is exactly what a Hollywood film would have done with it. Which is another reason I like the show---it's ac the history of hip-hop actually told through the eyes and P.O.V. of the black and Latino people who actually created it, which is so refreshing.

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[–] mrjdc_22 8 years ago

First of all, you are so ready to pounce and defend this show that you aren't even reading correctly. I never said Flash "got it wrong"....what I implied is that if he did indeed have a lot of input into the actual production...that input might not have actually been implemented verbatim into the script, set, costumes, etc. I hope you aren't so naive about the production of theater and film to not realize there are dozens of people with design ideas about their specific area of "expertise" who come to the production table and mesh together. And if you want to throw in metaphors, Luhrmann did "throw[] in some white savior character" by himself being the one to create the movie. Think on that.

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[–] activista 8 years ago

@mrjdc

Flash and the other rap pioneers consulting for the show had a lot of imput into the look of the show, the fashions/slang of that era, and making sure it was as accurate as can be---he worked on the show for over a year and a half, so his role as a supervising producer wasn't just decorative. I've already posted an interview with him detailing exactly what his role was in the show--here it is right here:

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2016/08/grandmaster-flash-baz-luhrmann-get-down-netflix-series-turntablism-early-hip-hop

And what I meant by a "white savior character" is when Hollywood throws some fictional white character into a story about black people or other people of color because of their stupid outdated racist theory that white people won't watch a story about people of color unless said white character is there to hold their hand through the story and "whitesplain" it for them,lol (even though that's been proven to not always be the case, even at the box office.) A good recent example of this is the movie MILES AHEAD,a bio film about Miles Davis in which a white character was inserted to go alone with Davis on his journey to find and recover his music---even though the white character never existed. The great actor/now director Don Cheadle, who also starred as Miles in the film, was told that he'd have to put a white character in the film to sell the film overseas, which is ridiculous, but,yeah that BS still goes on,even though white films flop overseas all the time. Luhrmman's made it clear in interviews about the show that it was a collaborative effort all the way, and that in no way could he have done it all himself. I like the fact that he stuck with the project literally from its beginning nearly four years ago, and the fact that he clearly has a passion and appreciation of the hip-hop genre as opposed to someone who just slapped their name on a project and let people do whatever the hell they wanted with the project, or just half-a** it. And his passion for the project definitely shines through in each episode (even though he only directed the pilot, but produced everything else.)

That being said, I enjoyed the show (despite its flaws, it had more positives than negatives) and can't wait to see the rest of it,

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[–] mrjdc_22 8 years ago

Thanks for your reply. You make a convincing argument and --almost-- sold me on watching more episodes. I may....just not right now.

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[–] activista 8 years ago

You're welcome! Check out the rest of the show whenever you get a chance--because it's fun--and tell others about it, please.

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[–] mrjdc_22 8 years ago

Oh......trust me, I have!

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[–] Freedom1981 8 years ago

It's too bad you gave up on it because you are missing out on a great show!

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[–] mrjdc_22 8 years ago

I'm gonna try and go back and watch more. I have to make myself be very objective and ignore a lot of things...lol.

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[–] avildsen-610-19446 8 years ago

I enjoyed this show a lot, but because I'm a white European who has never sat foot in America, I was actually wondering just how lived in and truthful it would feel to a POC American.

I think there's lots of entertainment to be had here, but I guess it demands a certain lack of intimate knowledge about the subject matter.

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[–] mrjdc_22 8 years ago

I think you hit the nail on the head with the word "entertainment". That's what this film is. It isn't a true documentary, so perhaps the director felt ok with taking liberties. I would even be ok with that.....but there are certain subjects that one shouldn't take liberties with, if presenting onscreen; this being one of them. The history of hip-hop and rap culture is very dear to a lot of people and to make it rather trivial and myopic is a mistake.

Also----Caucasians styling black hair....a NO NO!! I don't know for certain if the wig designer was white or not, but I've seen this before in theatre and film and it always points to someone styling people of color without aid of first hand knowledge of HOW TO style this type of hair...and it ends up looking clownish.

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[–] avildsen-610-19446 8 years ago

but there are certain subjects that one shouldn't take liberties with, if presenting onscreen; this being one of them.

Why specifically this and not all real world subjects?

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[–] mrjdc_22 8 years ago

I think it depends upon the approach to the subject. Sometimes there are films about a certain time period, especially historical periods of "yesterday" where there are fictitious characters in fictional situations but based in actual facts. I think it's a little easier to do that when the time period is more distant and those who lived it are long gone. But to set a story in a time when there are people still alive who lived it, I think one needs to be more sensitive to how one represents the period. And then when as a director or designer, you are developing your esthetic for a film based on things that weren't actually tangible in your own life, I think that influences your choices. For example, what would I look like, coming to England, as an American, and making a film about a specific conflict between the IRA and the government--yet I only hire one or two people who were actually in the conflict to "advise" me...I hire a lot of non-Irish to play the roles, and I'm not all that concerned about getting the costumes accurate for the time period or the actual look, even though I've received millions of dollars to produce this film. This is sort of what Baz has done with this story. I hope I'm making some sort of sense here...lol.

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[–] avildsen-610-19446 8 years ago

Yeah, no worries, you're making total sense.

I hadn't really thought about the time aspect and how this is still fairy close.

Still, to continue with you Northen Ireland example, I recently saw a thriller set during the conflict, '71.

Very good film, that was written by a Scottish dude and directed by a French guy.

Now maybe it's just that I'm insensitive, that shouldn't be out of the question, but in that case I felt the same way I do about The Get Down; it didn't really bother me.

I very much try to get on board whatever it is I'm watching, and if it's a thriller I'll go along with that (yet still knowing the IRA conflict was far from fun and thrills), just like I'll go along with the fantastical fantasy aspects of The Get Down (knowing it's not an accurate representation of a specific time and place).

I live in a tiny country rarely represented in movies, but when we are, we often don't even speak the right language. Is it jarring? Sure, but I just go okay and move on.

Maybe I really am an *beep* now that I think about it. Ha ha...

I hope not.

I fully understand your objection to this show and you have explained it well, just wanted to offer a different POV.

And I'll continue to enjoy it, but now with the knowledge that they *beep* up the hair.

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[–] Freedom1981 8 years ago

I get your point however, the show runners did their homework, consulted people who lived in the Bronx during that time period or have been pioneers in Hip-hop and it shows.

I'm of the opinion that people can make a good film or TV show about any subject as long as they do enough research to get it right on screen.

Baz Luhrmann is said to have spent 10 years developing this show. The least you can do is not judge the show before watching...

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[–] mrjdc_22 8 years ago

You are correct in that I need to continue to watch the show. I was not, however, judging the show so much as I am upset by the poor dialogue and THE HAIR and the overall visual representation. I guess because I work in costuming every day, and was trained as a fashion designer---specifics that are askew make me a little crazy, particularly when a lot of people will view this and think it's accurate. If you cast a woman who is not Hispanic or naturally has long st8 hair, don't stick a poor looking weave on her head (i.e. the lead and the high school teacher). The clothing is fine, I would have made some different choices...but, things like Ezekiel going into the closet and grabbing a pair of shoes and one of his uncle's suits..(worn by a man who is way taller) and everything fits like a glove...really? Those are the types of things I wouldn't expect from a production this expensive.

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[–] IndigoStardust 8 years ago

I enjoyed this show a lot, but because I'm a white European who has never sat foot in America, I was actually wondering just how lived in and truthful it would feel to a POC American.

I know you mean well but you cannot feel how it feels to be a POC based off a TV series. TV is not real, the actors act but we are real and we are not actors. Too many white people have this idea they want to feel but it comes off as ignorant and offensive. Like this weeaboo 'Japanese' white girl who painted her face black and got a black curl wig and walked around Japan, just to tell her viewers, "See? I haven't experienced racism while walking around in Black face! Japan isn't racist! And anyone who says differently are lying and overreacting!" 

You will never know what it feels to be a POC so I think you should get that goal from your list. Instead, just understand that you have a privilege we do not have, speak up and come together about racist sh*t, and join our fight for basic human rights.

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[–] avildsen-610-19446 8 years ago

I know you mean well but you cannot feel how it feels to be a POC based off a TV series. TV is not real, the actors act but we are real and we are not actors. Too many white people have this idea they want to feel but it comes off as ignorant and offensive. Like this weeaboo 'Japanese' white girl who painted her face black and got a black curl wig and walked around Japan, just to tell her viewers, "See? I haven't experienced racism while walking around in Black face! Japan isn't racist! And anyone who says differently are lying and overreacting!"

You will never know what it feels to be a POC so I think you should get that goal from your list. Instead, just understand that you have a privilege we do not have, speak up and come together about racist sh*t, and join our fight for basic human rights.

This is what I said:

I was actually wondering just how lived in and truthful it would feel to a POC American.

I was wondering how the show would feel to someone different to me, not how it feels to be different than me. In other words, I was interested in other people's reaction, you know, the same reason there are reviews and such things.

This is IMDb and a board about a tv show, so excuse me that I'm talking about said tv show.

Going by what you wrote though (you invoked goddamn blackface), I don't think you give a *beep* what I said or didn't say.

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[–] IndigoStardust 8 years ago

Erm, I know this is a movie/TV board. Why do you think I'm here and on this specific board?

I didn't 'invoke' anything. I was giving you an example of the stupid sh*t "liberal" white people do in order to try to understand the struggles of POC. And it's very interesting that you chose the word "invoke" too. Very classic passive aggressive language with hints of racial tones.

Obviously, igaf if I replied to you so calm down and stop spazzing out. I just misread what you wrote.

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[–] avildsen-610-19446 8 years ago

stop spazzing out. I just misread what you wrote.

Ah, okay th...

And it's very interesting that you chose the word "invoke" too. Very classic passive aggressive language with hints of racial tones.

What the actual *beep* is going on in your head?

Racial tones?

You went on a crazy rant that had nothing to do with anything I'd said, now you admit that it was groundless idiocy and a lack of reading ability on your part...

But then you proceed with a bit more meaningless idiocy anyway. Again for no apparent reason.

You misread something, wrote something stupid as a reply, you recognize it, but you still kind of want to double down. Don't, just take the goddamn loss and move on.

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[–] IndigoStardust 8 years ago

You went on a crazy rant that had nothing to do with anything I'd said, now you admit that it was groundless idiocy and a lack of reading ability on your part...

You can't differentiate between a rant and a disagreement? And I'm the crazy one. I admitted that I misread. 'Groundless idiocy' is not what I wrote, so I think that your statement is not only rude and arrogant, but is a 'lack of reading ability on your part'.

But then you proceed with a bit more meaningless idiocy anyway. Again for no apparent reason.

For no reason? I explained to you what why I wrote what I wrote.

I didn't 'invoke' anything. I was giving you an example of the stupid sh*t "liberal" white people do in order to try to understand the struggles of POC. And it's very interesting that you chose the word "invoke" too. Very classic passive aggressive language with hints of racial tones.

This is "meaningless idiocy"? You mean meaningless to you because according to you, you are an uncultured White fe/male so of course the passive aggressive statements and words with racial tones is "idiotic" and "meaningless". If you cannot see the racial reason why you wrote that I 'invoked' blackface, then stay in your European egg pretending life is butterflies and gumdrops for everyone and continue to think when POC call you out on your subconscious racism, it's 'meaningless idiocy'.

You misread something, wrote something stupid as a reply, you recognize it, but you still kind of want to double down. Don't, just take the goddamn loss and move on.

And are you not doing the same? Why did you reply so negatively after I admitted that I made a mistake? Not only calling me incompetent for a simple mistake but calling the words that you used had racial tones and a weeaboo white girl doing blackface 'meaningless idiocy'? Is that not 'still doubling down'? Seems you have a problem. I suggest you get out and read more. No loss for me. What I wrote is true. Idc whether or not it pertains to your post. Someone will read it and agree with me, if not, they will reply. It opens up a dialogue.

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[–] avildsen-610-19446 8 years ago

I get it.

I think your fake.

You might very well be a 14 year old white girl who's "fighting the good fight" or something.

Or it's just that you're American... And I mean, we all know what you are like, right?

Not exactly the most cultured, intelligent people around. To put it mildly. I mean, you're generally speaking borderline retarded.

You all seem to think the world only revolves around the states and your petty implosion. There's a damn chance Donald Trump might become your president, that's how ignorant you are as a people. I bet you're thinking about voting for him, because you want to to "stick it to The Man", right?

But yeah, white little tumblr girl is more likely. Playing pretend.

Or maybe you're just an idiot.

No matter what, have a nice day doing your thing.

And I certainly didn't mean to offend with any ignorant stuff I may just have said, it's just words that makes no sense, pay no heed to them.

Bye bye.

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[–] IndigoStardust 8 years ago

I get it.

I think your fake.

You might very well be a 14 year old white girl who's "fighting the good fight" or something.

Or it's just that you're American... And I mean, we all know what you are like, right?

Not exactly the most cultured, intelligent people around. To put it mildly. I mean, you're generally speaking borderline retarded.

Bless your heart for thinking an American white girl, 14 at that, would posses the knowledge about race.

I am a proud Black woman. I am (naturally) cultured and educated. I know it's a rarity for someone who goes around calling educated statements and people 'borderline retarded' because they are too unintelligent to come up with a rebuttal. I am and will always fight "the good fight' if the 'good fight' is to educate people about systematic and prejudicial racism against POC.

You Europeans are no better than Americans. They are, in fact, your kin so idk why you think you are better than them just because you live on a different continent.

You all seem to think the world only revolves around the states and your petty implosion. There's a damn chance Donald Trump might become your president, that's how ignorant you are as a people. I bet you're thinking about voting for him, because you want to to "stick it to The Man", right?

But yeah, white little tumblr girl is more likely. Playing pretend.

Or maybe you're just an idiot.

...'meaningless and groundless idiocy' is all I have to say about this.

No matter what, have a nice day doing your thing.

And I certainly didn't mean to offend with any ignorant stuff I may just have said, it's just words that makes no sense, pay no heed to them.

Bye bye.

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[–] avildsen-610-19446 8 years ago

you are an uncultured White fe/male so of course the passive aggressive statements and words with racial tones is "idiotic" and "meaningless". If you cannot see the racial reason why you wrote that I 'invoked'

Such an amusing child.
I wonder if you believe in you own fantasy? Well, do you little one?

I am a proud Black woman.

No you're not.

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[–] IndigoStardust 8 years ago

Such an amusing child.
I wonder if you believe in you own fantasy? Well, do you little one?

Yet, you are still here...why is that? So now you think you can tell me what my race and age is based off my username, profile pic, and my knowledge of prejudice against POC? Sounds like someone is living in their fantasy of denial.

Also, you never did answer the Trump thing?

Am I to take it that you're pro-Trump?

Silence is an act of complicity.

I did answer. Take it as fit.

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[–] avildsen-610-19446 8 years ago

Also, you never did answer the Trump thing?

Am I to take it that you're pro-Trump?

Silence is an act of complicity.

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[–] WorldWar1000 8 years ago

I am a proud Black woman. I am (naturally) cultured and educated. I know it's a rarity for someone who goes around calling educated statements and people 'borderline retarded' because they are too unintelligent to come up with a rebuttal. I am and will always fight "the good fight' if the 'good fight' is to educate people about systematic and prejudicial racism against POC.

You're so educated yet because you are so race centered, you couldn't even read a simple post correctly without spazing about race. B_tch just shut the f_ck with your racist ass. I'm black, but I have to be honest, people like you are annoying as *beep* and make black people look bad.

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[–] avildsen-610-19446 8 years ago

I took my assholishness to a whole new level during this discourse, but it really is a simple as that. Read what people write and reply in good faith. If you make a mistake, say sorry and move on.

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[–] aquarianbrass 8 years ago

I believe she's black. I don't believe you're black and this entire thread started off "race centered" so why is what she wrote a problem?

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[–] activista 8 years ago

@WorldWar1000

Who asked you to come on here cussing and sounding like a damn fool yourself? Nobody was even talking to you, yet you were so quick to call a female poster a "b****" just because she said something you didn't agree with? You need to STFU and go somewhere with your fckd-up attitude. Plus you didn't contribute jack to the conversation, so why the hell did you even bother to even say anything then? Grow the hell up or shut up. Nobody making anybody look bad except for your little ignorant self. You're not Mr. Tough Guy because you curse a lot---anybody can do that s***.

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[–] tiligo-mes92 8 years ago

As a mixed (white, black and native) latino, I'm curious: why the word 'invoke' possess "hints of racial tones" for POC in North America?

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[–] avildsen-610-19446 8 years ago

I'm wondering about that too.

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[–] IndigoStardust 8 years ago

As a mixed (white, black and native) latino, I'm curious: why the word 'invoke' possess "hints of racial tones" for POC in North America?

Don't know why you stated your DNA chart as if your 'mixness' will save you from racial issues (that is if you aren't racially ambiguous). Also, I am not a spokesperson for POC in North America nor anywhere, so do not expect everyone to feel like 'invoke' is a trigger word.

For me, it was not the word I had an issue with. It's the how s(he) used it, that made it racially charged to me. How she used it was the equivalence of white people thinking POC (particularly Black people) are being "hypersensitive" to racism/racist experiences and always playing the 'race card' in any and every situation that may be racially motivated.

Telling someone they 'invoked' a racial incident for 'no apparent reason' (like it's taboo to even mention race(ism)) is very passive aggressive way of saying, "Can you please be quiet with that race talk, you are making me uncomfortable." which is what they like to refer to as: race baiting or 'white guilt'.

As a Black woman, I am very aware of the subtle, covert racist statements and words that have racial tones, especially in the workplace. i.e, "Your pretty for a Black girl." or when we are upset or passionately arguing (especially about race) we a told to "calm down" in a very condescending tone because we are "causing trouble" and "overreacting". Then we are deemed an 'angry Black person' and not worth the time anymore to have a conversation with. They are all classic examples of Passive Aggressive Racism 101.

Look, I am not telling her or any white person they need to watch their words around us, I'm telling them they need to think about the reason they (consciously or subconsciously) choose specific words or use racially charged tones to describe and/or talk to us when we talk about race because we already know why they do.

avildsen-610-19446: I'm wondering about that too.

Well, why didn't you ask, instead of being rude, ignorant, and resort to name-calling? I have no problem explaining (to a certain extent) why I wrote what I wrote.

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[–] tiligo-mes92 8 years ago

Don't know why you stated your DNA chart as if your 'mixness' will save you from racial issues

As a Black woman

That's sort of hypocrite. You keep talking about yourself and your race in every post but when someone does the same, you act all passive aggressive

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[–] IndigoStardust 8 years ago

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You're not very good at reading and comprehension, are you?

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[–] tiligo-mes92 8 years ago

I also forgot to mention you're an elitist disguised as an enlightened person, but yeah let's call it a day 

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[–] tiligo-mes92 8 years ago

As a mixed (white, black and native) latino, I'm curious: why the word 'invoke' possess "hints of racial tones" for POC in North America?

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[–] WorldWar1000 8 years ago

@IndigoStardust

I know you mean well but you cannot feel how it feels to be a POC based off a TV series. TV is not real, the actors act but we are real and we are not actors. Too many white people have this idea they want to feel but it comes off as ignorant and offensive. Like this weeaboo 'Japanese' white girl who painted her face black and got a black curl wig and walked around Japan, just to tell her viewers, "See? I haven't experienced racism while walking around in Black face! Japan isn't racist! And anyone who says differently are lying and overreacting!"

You will never know what it feels to be a POC so I think you should get that goal from your list. Instead, just understand that you have a privilege we do not have, speak up and come together about racist sh*t, and join our fight for basic human rights

B_tch are you f_cking stupid or something??? Nothing he said had anything to do with what your dumb ass is insinuating.

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[–] IndigoStardust 8 years ago

We have already established that, thank you, come again. Try to keep up.

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[–] DarthTigris 8 years ago

The first episode is a Baz movie. Stick around a bit and enjoy the actual show.

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[–] c_cole742 8 years ago

The costumer is a female--again too young to have really lived the era.

I would have to disagree with a lot of what you said, however this phrase really irked me.

Aside from that, I read through your posts and it makes since that you'd critique the costume design since its your field. I would do the same if I were you. But being of a different era doesn't negate a person from casting a vision. How would we ever make a period film set before the 1930s? I think a lot of people are having a difficult time seeing the forest through the trees with this show. Design of course is important in story telling, but the eye your seeing it with is different from someone merely being entertained by the story. Yes, hold it to a standard, but if you're not entertained, I suggest you watch something else.

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[–] mrjdc_22 8 years ago

If all we ever did was "watch something else" then things wouldn't ever be corrected, would they? And like I said, plenty of works from different eras have been done using research only. However, when you do something of a period close enough that people are still alive who lived it, there should be more sensitivity to the realism....that is unless you specifically are making a "fantasy"..and if so, that should be stated.

I knew the "female" statement would irk people because originally I was going to state she was a "white" female..but I actually think she is of Hispanic heritage. However, she is still YOUNG. That fact irked me---because I witnessed the very same thing in a stage play being costumed by a young white female barely out of college. She was so naive that all her looks came from a book and she knew nothing of dookie chains and furry Kangols. And I speak from my specific observations and experiences when I say, Caucasians directing, costuming, and writing for African American stories often don't get it right. And of course, Millennials are usually more interested in being entertained ...rather than caring about accuracy or the organic nature of a piece.

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[–] leeleechick 8 years ago

Lol yeah although beautiful, Mylene's lace front is so noticeable and bad. Her real texture would have been more realistic in the 70's but they wanted to give her that long sleek look.

Shameik aka Shaolin Fantastic looks sexy and I think authentic in this. Lol

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[–] IndigoStardust 8 years ago

I only got a few minutes into the first episode and had to stop. I knew, just from the trailer, that this was a "white" series. White, as in seen through Caucasian eyes. I"m still researching to see just who was on the production team, but the costumes...the dialogue...and OMG the awful wigs!!! They could at least have given the lead a natural looking weave--if they wanted to make her more "hispanic". I will come back and edit if necessary after I get more info.

So I did look up the main players on the team and EVERY director is older, white, and male. All the writers, but one, is white and the one black writer is not old enough to have lived the era. The costumer is a female--again too young to have really lived the era. It's one thing to do a historical, period piece using research and another when there are persons alive who not only have first hand knowledge of the period, but also are trained in the field of film costuming. This is just another example of the irritating tend of privileged persons in the industry trying to tell the stories of others without actually employing those who could give a more accurate, organic visual image.

I agree with you (especially in the bold), with the wigs because Jaden's fro is every kinds of f-ed up and they got sideburns but no facial hair? How sway? You can definitely tell White people are behind this. The horrible 2001 prom dress Disco outfit they had the Hispanic girl in  I wish they kept the Hispanic girl's fro instead of the ugly ass weave. They had the Jew fros why not show hers?

So many cliches and many cringy dialogues and scenes. I'm only on the 2nd eppe but I will invest my time in watching the rest because I invested my time into watching the first episode.

Mmm, this capon taste like chicken.
Capon is chicken.

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[–] leeleechick 8 years ago

Yeah Jaden's fro is jacked up Lol. bahaha!

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[–] mrjdc_22 8 years ago

.....got him looking like Huey...of Boondocks!!! That's the first thing I thought. If you notice, his wig even shifts on his head from one scene to the other..