Political Correctness - Houdini and Doyle (2016) Discussion

[–] saken-4 9 years ago

Political Correctness is a term that is often applied incorrectly, with the intention of avoiding a critique. But it can also be used properly.

For it to be used properly it must be the case that a critique is motivated solely by a perceived need to fulfill a social or political orthodoxy of proper interaction. That is to say, that the one making the critique isn't actually appealing to a reasoned argument for their critique, but simply to keep up appearances and/or fulfill a social expectation.

The tendency for the term to be used incorrectly comes with the fact that it is not simple to identify that no reasoned argument is being appealed to. A critique may fulfill a social expectation while also being well reasoned, with the social expectation just being peripheral to the speaker's motivation. The distinguishing factor between a correct and incorrect use of the term is the motivation behind the critique. And rarely is the motivation singular and directly apparent. As a result, the use of the term political correctness often comes down to assuming motives in an attempt to discredit.

The motivation behind having both genders and different ethnicities in a show isn't simply driven by a perceived need to fulfill a social expectation. But rather, a well reasoned case for the promotion of fairness and diversity, along with countering ethnocentric laziness.

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[–] NHLiptak 9 years ago

saken-4, I can almost see your words flying over the collective heads of imdb users everywhere. Still, I try to keep my head up, so I glimpsed a few as they passed. Thank you! It's good to know you're out there.

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[–] johnf_sf 9 years ago

So would it be ok to have some white people working as slaves on a plantation? Maybe have some Chinese slavemasters?

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[–] andy_woods98 9 years ago

Is the show PC. The show is not trying to be PC. they are making a point. They are not trying to explain history, they are only trying to have us not forget.

Not that aspiring to be a wife and mother is a bad thing. But it should be the same as a man aspiring to be a husband and father. Gender should not make a difference. But still many things are still considered gender specific. What people fail to consider, things deemed better handled by a women or mother, as in the show Adelaide talking to the boy.
Are things that could handled by a man if we where not taught to suppress that part of us. That kind of compassion is not considered manly. On the same theory women where told they are to delicate for that. They are not strong enough. Once women started to believe they are equally capable. they began to whip the floor with men. The proved pound for pound they could hang and still be female.

What I see is both sides coming to an agreement that it is more important to consider what makes all of us human. That to be human takes a little of both sides.

Embrace your inner Biest.... We all have one

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[–] popedon1 9 years ago

This reminds me of the very PC remake of Kojack. Instead of an ugly white-ish guy, they had an ugly black dude. A cop who was the biggest vagina who ever lived. He didn't carry a gun, and Ghandi was a bigger bad-ass. It was fuqqen pathetic. I hate Michael Weston's vagina voice anyway. ;9)B

"Who loves ya, baby? In a very non-sexual way, of course." - Black Kojackoff

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[–] siu18 9 years ago

Another series ruined by ITV for political correctness, women - check, ethnic minorities out of period, check.

After watching the show, I think it's less political correctness, and more a plot device as to give Houdini a woman to distract him. I kinda like the whole thing. I think they way the male characters interact with and treat her is pretty accurate for how women who interfered with men's work were treated. I'm getting a heavy Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson vibe from Houdini and Doyle, and the female constable might be playing an Irene Adler role. I know Houdini was married, but he probably flirted and it's possible he cheated on his wife in real life.
I was surprised by a black nun too. But in reading the other comments in this board, there were more minorities in London than I was aware. And since this particular convent took in women who found themselves as young unwed mothers, that would be women of all colors.
Also, this is pure fiction and is only supposed to be entertaining. I think Michael Weston is incredibly entertaining as Houdini, and his fascination with the female constable amuses me.

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[–] richard.fuller1 9 years ago

I'm on the third episode and since OP has not posted any further, I believe that is what is known as 'trolling' of which I am accused far too often, even tho I never say 'fire' in the theatre and disappear.

But I am watching the third episode and there is no Houdini and Doyle, it is Houdini & Stratton or Stratton & Doyle.

If they wanted to include a female, which is the Hollywood way, they could have taken massive liberties with Bess, Houdini's wife.

There is no interaction observed between the two leads because Stratton is always there. They might as well put her name in the title.

I wasn't bothered at all by the black nun (since it was in the UK, she could hardly be called 'African-American', whether the actress was American, African or what) nor am I bothered by the faith healer in the third episode.

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[–] AprilValen 9 years ago

There were black nuns in the show Bonanza in the early 60s.why would this be surprising here. Is it that only white people can be nuns?

It ain't the Ganges, but you go with what you got." ~ Ken Talley, "The Fifth of July"

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[–] mttyflynn 9 years ago

In every program from the BBC, there seems to be a relationship between a blackman and a white woman.

Okay its out there...

I am not a clansman...
I am not a liberal...

I am not saying its good or bad, but it seems to be a thing with the BBC.

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[–] bah_humbug 8 years ago

To original poster -

You are right Mr Trump. Lets stamp out this nonsense right away and build a wall around England, near London so we aren't indoctrinated by their crazy propaganda.

I suggest a total ban on all fiction work and TV programmes can only be based on the Bible, the one true book(s).

Least you misunderstand me, that was sarcasm.

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