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Why Is There So Much Negativity on these Boards?


This movie has a 95% critic score and a 90% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes and is making insane cash, so clearly lots of people did like the movie

I, myself, am not an MCU fanboy. I enjoy the movies quite a bit, but think most of them are inferior to the Raimi Spider-Man movies, Nolan Batman movies, and X-Men: First Class. There are a lot of Avengers characters that I find useless and just clutter up the screen

But even then I have to say that this movie was pretty damn fun. It was not perfect, obviously. These movies will never stand up to greats like The Godfather, Taxi Driver, the Dollars Trilogy, or other cinematic masterpieces. But they don't have to be. They are pioneering a new type of filmmaking: the "movie show", meaning that their movies are more like episodes in a giant TV show. They are not built to deliver divine cinematic experiences, but they are still good fun and a step up from your typical blockbuster garbage

Yet all I see on this board is nitpicking of every single fucking detail about the movie. Yes, some things don't quite make sense, and some scenes don't work, and yeah it has a few cringey moments, but that is EVERY superhero movie EVER. A movie this fucking massive cannot possibly be perfect, but it was pretty good as a giant culmination of twenty previous films, something never done before in history

I come to these boards because I love movies more than anything else, and could talk about them all day. But the insane negativity and crybaby attitude I see here has really put me off to this website. Some of y'all some to have some real personal issues, and your idea of a good movie seems to fit in a tiny little box

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Taxi Driver was awful (sorry). Jodie was great in it though.

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Well, obviously everyone has their own personal tastes, so not everyone is going to like every film. But it is generally regarded as one of the greatest movies of all time

I, myself, never found Kubrick's movies to be all that, so I can't judge you for hating one of the greats, I'm guilty of it too. Actually, I think the mark of a true movie nerd is someone who can form their own opinions and doesn't just like whatever he thinks will make him look intellectual

But watching Taxi Driver was a life-changing experience for me. I saw it as a teenager, I checked it out from the public library because the name seemed vaguely familiar. I was already a film geek then, but after seeing it I think it became a sort of chasing-the-dragon type of thing, where I obsessively watched movies trying to come close to that same feeling of watching it for the first time

I dunno what it says about me. John Hinckley Jr. the lunatic who stalked Jodie Foster and almost killed Reagan, was also obsessed with it. But I have to say, the man had my kind of taste in women (Accused era Jodie, not Taxi Driver era, that'd be creepy)

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Agreed on the mark of a movie nerd. Good stuff.

Speaking of Kubrick, "my Taxi Driver" seen as a teenager, that compelled me seek more and different movies, was Clockwork Orange.

It and Cuckoo's Nest could both be re-adapted nicely. Especially Cuckoo... following the book will require a big budget and heavy VFX.

The movie, a filmed version of the play adapted from the novel, is literally only half of the story, and lacks the book's narrative.

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Yup. Not saying that Kubrick is not an all time great, just that the movies of his that I've seen didn't leave a lasting personal impact on me. And I don't think that anyone who does something with a lot of passion (like watch movies) should be apologetic about the fact that they don't share the same opinions as the rest of the crowd

I've actually never seen A Clockwork Orange. It's one of those movies on my list (everyone has their own list) of classic movies that I've just never gotten around to watching. I think I haven't seen it because I made the mistake of spoiling the story for myself a long time ago by looking up the book's plot on Wikipedia. I had heard of the infamously difficult to understand slang terms, so figured that I'd be better off just reading the cliffs notes. But maybe it was a mistake

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The slang is far heavier in the novel, so much so that Burgess includes a glossary to translate the slang.

What's cool is that Clockwork Orange is science fiction because it is about future technology and takes place in the future, though that future is now in the past.... It was at least 1995, as the car they steal is a '95 Durango.

One thing I'd change in a remake is removing the "future slang" completely. That would remain a unique aspect of the novel and original movie, and would set a remake apart from them instead of trying to copy what's been done before.

The one movie on my list that people get surprised about is Jaws. I haven't seen it yet. I even have the blu-ray.

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I haven't seen Jaws either lol

Probably cause I'm not a huge fan of Spielberg's sci-fi/adventure stuff. I like sci-fi literature, but something about the kiddie aspect of Spielberg's films is too saccharine for me. It probably doesn't help that my initials are ET and kids used to make "ET phone home" jokes to me all the time

I probably would like Jaws if I saw it, though. Jurassic Park is the only Spielberg adventure movie I like, and it's also about man-eating beasts

I will make it a point to watch Clockwork, though. Any movie that could leave such a strong impression on someone is probably worth watching

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Agreed on Spielberg. His movies are highly watchable but not one of them has ever landed even close to my "favorites" (and I refuse to watch Schindler's List). Duel was a great start for him, though; Close Encounters is a classic.

I find Spielberg to be far too much of an emotional manipulator... Plus his preoccupation with putting children in danger is a little creepy.

The one thing I criticize him for the most, however, is his blatant exploitation of war, particularly WWII.

I find it a bit distasteful, to be honest.

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Yeah, Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan are classic Oscar bait. I mean, I can understand based on his Jewish heritage I can understand why he made Schindler's List, and the movie had some great performances, but it was definitely emotionally manipulative the way most of his work is

Not to mention that it paved the way for other weepy Oscar bait holocaust movies like Life is Beautiful and The Boy in The Striped Pyjamas

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The special effects in 2001 were amazing, his movie's are damn good in my opinion

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Rotten Tomatoes is a dead site in my opinion. I don't trust a word on that site anymore, and haven't been there since the Captain Marvel fiasco. It will probably join IMDb as sites I'll very rarely, if ever, visit again.

Critics are also bought and paid for, and only out looking for something to fit their political cause of the moment instead of judging whether they thought a movie was good or not. It's sad, but that's life in 2019. Everything is politics.

That being said, while I definitely don't think it deserves a 95% positive rating, it was a really fun, good movie. The emotional moments really landed, it was exciting, and it was funny as hell.

My only issues were the time travel plot was a little much for me at points, and the "girl power" scene was an atrocious cringe fest and made absolutely no sense, but whatever, glad the ladies had their self esteem boost moment, because apparently they need that. Nothing that ruined the movie though.

I thought Infinity War was better, but Endgame was a really good finish, and the 3 hours flew by. Thumbs up!

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Don't know who you are, but I pretty much agree with you 99%

I use RT because I'm lazy and want an easy way to know whether I should go to the movies or not. But yeah, most RT scores are WAYYY off. Get Out and Black Panther obviously didn't deserve to be near 100%. And so many very good movies have gotten mediocre scores. But yes, film criticism has become a joke. One example was the Death Wish remake by Eli Roth. Normally, I don't like Roth too much. And the movie was definitely not amazing or anything, but almost ALL of the reviews focused on how it was "inappropriate" in a time of increased gun violence, blah blah blah. That makes me sick. Every work of art should be judged based on its own merits. Movies should be judged based on how well they tell a story. Roth's Death Wish was a decent watch if you have nothing better to do and maybe get plastered drunk. It had its moments. But it has a ridiculously low 17% on RT just because it's about vigilantism. The Avengers are ALL vigilantes who kill bad guys. But you replace lasers and boomerang-shields with a pistol and suddenly a movie becomes morally-abhorrent. It is hard being a movie fan in modern times

And yeah, I feel more or less exactly the same way about Endgame as you. It was a lot of fun, but also confusing. But then again, I've never gone into an Avengers movie expecting them to make any sense. I personally liked Endgame more than IW, but only because it focused more on the Avengers that I like: Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Hawkeye, Ant-Man. Only Doctor Strange was missing from my whitelist

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Honestly, I believe the "crybaby attitude" is why this board even exists in the first place. Unfortunately all of the negative posters and trolls took over the original IMDb boards and caused them to be shut down, and MovieChat was made to replace them. However, the problem is that all of the idiots followed, and are now ruining these boards as well. Newsflash: No one cares about how much money someone thinks a particular movie will make and whether or not they were right about it. No one wants to see 75 separate posts on the same topic. And for the love of God, can you please make sure you actually UNDERSTAND a movie before you start posting about it (this of course excludes legitimate questions and requests for clarification on plot points)? The entire process is infuriating and is beginning to sour me on these boards as well.

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Yeah, I only spent a small amount of time on the IMDb boards before they were removed, but I am aware that IMDb did so because of how toxic the forums were. And I am not one, usually, to complain about toxic fandom

And I totally agree. I do not care about box office results. I sometimes look them up just to shut up bitter assholes claiming that EVERYONE (which actually means just a small contingent of rage-filled geeks) hated a movie.

And yeah, most posters here have no respect for artists. They have a weirdly stubborn sense of entitlement. They think that if a movie wasn't EXACTLY how they thought it should be, then it was bad and twenty negative threads should be made about it. They don't understand how complex the film industry is. You have producers, writers, directors, actors, and studio execs and they ALL have an opinion on what a film should be. You have millions of dollars invested into even low-key dramas. And no matter how good a film is or isn't, ultimately the only thing that matters is how much profit it makes or doesn't make. No movie is ever going to please everyone. No movie will ever be flawless

I signed up because I like movies too much and can't find enough people in real life to have deep discussions with about them. But I can see that this website is not the answer to my problem. It makes TOTAL sense to my why IMDb got shut down

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The issues many people are having is that they made decisions that hurt the movie because of leftist political motivations. We are getting sick of political injections into our movies and this time it impacted one of the most anticipated movies of all time. What the fuck was that all girls assemble scene in the movie? What the fuck was with the fat Thor "joke" that took Thor out of essentially the entire movie? What the fuck was with the Hulk not fighting either? What the fuck is with Captain America going off to the past and then handing the dhield to Sam? The weak excuses that the damage control bots are putting out for this doesn't magically make these and the many other issues go away. When I saw the movie in theaters I had mixed feelings. Now I'm starting to straight up dislike this movie for where they decided to take things. Even simple things like Thanos being just a straight up evil creature in this movie instead of calculating and a galactic eco terrorist of sorts. Or the fact that he seems just as strong with or without the infinity stones. They made too many mistakes with this movie that did not have to be made.

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Big budget movies almost always get the critic score because critics make peanuts and can be bought off. Also, just because people are griping about certain points doesn't mean the movie wasn't enjoyable. It was. Fat drunk Thor was hilarious.

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Hm, not quite sure about that. Transformers, Pirates of the Caribbean (after the first one), the DCEU movies, Spider Man 3, etc. There are tons of big-budget movies that have awful reviews

I mean, some critics probably do get bought off, and I do find it a little suspect that every single MCU movie has received overall positive reviews, since at least a few of them sucked, IMO

And yeah, I liked Fat Thor a lot, but many people here think it totally ruined the character

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Great post!

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Thanks!

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Remind me to never invite you to parties. You would give us a whole list of people that everyone is inferior too.

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I wouldn't want to go to your inferior party when there are vastly superior parties to attend

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