Captain Marvel's role in the movie (spoilers) - Avengers: Endgame (2019) Discussion

[–] galahadfairlight (414) 6 years ago

She was shorhorned in at the last minute, but those doubting that the Russo Brothers would ensure she only played a minor role must have missed the other movies they did.

It was ALWAYS about the core Avengers, and thats exactly what we got.

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[–] wickerman1271 (946) 6 years ago

She wasn't shorthorned in at the last minute , in a recent interview the Russos said that Brie filmed her scenes for Endgame before she filmed Captain Marvel

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[–] galahadfairlight (414) 6 years ago

She was shoehorned in at the last minute. She simply wasn't a fixture of Endgame when they were writing it nearly two years ago.

The Russo Brothers were told they had to include her, she was never part of the original script. Her contribution to Endgame, well, it wasn't vital and it wasn't trivial.

She played a decent part, but she absolutely wasn't the main focus as some were supposing she was, her screen time added up to probably less than 15 minutes in a 3 hour movie.

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[–] sokar (2098) 6 years ago

Exactly shoehorned in at the last moment.

Captain Marvel in the comic book world is one of the most unlikable characters in Marvels catalogue. The character is a completely agenda driven piece of fiction for the modern feminist/idiology world we live in. She has been rebooted constantly due to bad sales and extremely low popularity and she has been rebooted again recently. She just doesn't work hence the arguments against her presence in the MCU. The Captain Marvel movie was a complete retcon to make out that everything that has occured over the last 10 years was down to her, without her we wouldn't have the Avengers. This is why she has no place within this current MCU, i even stated she should have been released after Endgame if they are going in a more cosmic direction. She is out of place and just doesn't fit but of course Disey needs there feminist idiology to be pushed in at some point, just look at how the are destroying Star Wars.

The only Captain Marvel is Shazam but in Marvel defense it should have been Monica Rambeau not Carol Danvers.

It is a perfect fit really an unlikeable character played by and unlikeable actress.

I had faith in the Russo brothers and they didn't dissapoint.

As stated above she was forced into the MCU to comply the current Bechnel test form of entertainment and Disney's current feminist idiology.

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[–] FFNogoodnik (775) 6 years ago

The Captain Marvel movie was a complete retcon to make out that everything that has occured over the last 10 years was down to her, without her we wouldn't have the Avengers.

Why was it reconned? In the first after credits scene of the entire MCU Nick Fury tells Tony Stark: "You think you are the only super hero in the world? Mr. Stark, you have become part of a bigger universe. You just don't know it yet."

While I am not a fan of how Disney is handling many things, one thing I can say is that there is leeway in the approach as far as story goes.

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[–] sokar (2098) 6 years ago

She wasn't even written into Endgame until very late, she was pushed into it by the Disney heirachy.

Captain Marvel movie is a 2 hour retcon to push Captain Marvel right to the front at the last minute and show that Nick Fury is the person he is because of Captain Marvel and without her we wouldn't have had the Avengers. Everything that happened to him was because of Captain Marvel. That entire film he is basicall comic relief.

The quote you speak of could have been about anyone, that is a very loose reference to almost any hero not specifically Cpatain Marvel.

The original Endgame script had no mention of Captain Marvel any where not until Disney decided to push there agenda right to the front and it will backfire. Brie Larson is not in the same league as Robert Downey Jnr, her on screen presence is weak, bland, cringeworthy and has no range whatsoever. Even the interviews the other actors are so uncomfortable around her. But in this modern day we are getting pushed more feminist ideals onto the screen, just look at Star Trek, Star Wars and Dr Who as proof of the way it can be destroyed just to push an agenda.

Captain Marvel is Disney/Marvel SJW Mary Sue character, she is terrible in print and terrible on screen hence the reason she is being reboted again very recently.

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[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Lighten up, Francis.

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[–] sokar (2098) 6 years ago

Cheers for the well constructed and articulated counter argument, your point brings a certain nuance to this discussion.

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[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

I know. Right over your head, that one.

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[–] DarthRoger (867) 6 years ago

Well I just let go a huge sigh of relief.

THANK GOD THERE ISN'T MUCH CAPTAIN MARVEL IN THIS MOVIE!

I've been so worried that the MCU was going to go all "Mary Sue" in this last, epic conclusion and completely wreck 10 wonderful years of classic comics storytelling. What they do from here on out with Brie Larson's silly character is up to Disney/Marvel but at least she won't ruin Avengers: Endgame.

Another source just confirmed that she is limited to about 15 minutes in a 3 hour movie. And from what I've heard, she isn't the one who takes out Thanos. THANK GOD!

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[–] kuku (3510) 6 years ago

I've been so worried that the MCU was going to go all "Mary Sue" in this last, epic conclusion and completely wreck 10 wonderful years of classic comics storytelling.

Yeap. Next cycle is gonna be SJW crap, but at least this one is ended and they can't screw it.

Just compare how they've trashed Game of Thrones... I wish it had ended before they went full SJW... :-(

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[–] jekporkins (1973) 6 years ago

Right with you there. When she and all the other gals of Marvel get together to charge the bad guys at the end I kinda rolled my eyes. Also, giving Sam the shield was a nice nod to the comics, but Steve and Bucky went back a century and it would have closed that arc to give it to him. Also, Bucky is a super-soldier who has actually wielded the shield before. Sam is just a normal (army-trained) guy without those wings.

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[–] kuku (3510) 6 years ago

It was clear that next Cpt America was going to be either black or a white chick. That's the trend of our time.

Anyway, giving the shield to Sam is beyond ridiculous. Cpt America represents a set of values that is linked to WASP America. Sam is a nice dude, but he has a different set of values. It's like you had some Chinese hero representing Confuncian values and he gives his sword to some white guy who doesn't give a shit about Confucian values. WTF?

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[–] NotoriousRio (12927) 6 years ago

Cpt Marvel is hardly in it, but Okoye (Danai Gurira) is in it much less than her, I don't get why shes included on the poster.

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[–] kuku (3510) 6 years ago

Black chick poster racial quota.

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[–] NotoriousRio (12927) 6 years ago

Sad but true.

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[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Why sad? Black chicks deserve billing too.

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[–] NotoriousRio (12927) 6 years ago

Yes they do but for so little screentime?

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[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Depends on their deal or on that of their employers.

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[–] kuku (3510) 6 years ago

Why do they? Do white chicks deserve some screentime in movies made by black people? And in chinese movies? And in bollywood movies?

And how about native american chicks? Do they deserve screentime in Hollywood movies? And in movie made by black people? And how about nigerian movies? And italian movies?

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[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

"made by black people".. Christ you racists are pathetic.

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[–] kuku (3510) 6 years ago

Fine, let's say 'chromatically alternative' instead of 'black', that offends you. The question remains: do white chicks deserve screentime in movies made by chromatically alternative people?

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[–] tanyalawrence (352) 6 years ago

I suspect the whole Captain Marvel saves the day thing was just a ploy to get more women to go to Endgame.

The original Avengers were the stars and all the other heroes had prominent but secondary roles.

Just the way it should have been.

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[–] AP (5288) 6 years ago

Fiege and the Russos said many times it was going to be a team effort.

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[–] kuku (3510) 6 years ago

I suspect that was the original intention. But after the backlash and Disney having to keep up appearances buying their own Cpt Marvel tickets to fake the numbers, they have thought about it twice...

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[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Maybe lower that daily water intake, sonny. You've become diluted.

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[–] ranmast (626) 6 years ago

But she saved,the day.

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[–] Fonz (638) 6 years ago

I agreed Marvel had Brie all over the press tour for someone who had on 15 minutes of screen time was a ripoff. I know this was about the original 6 Avengers, but still they could have had some more screen time for Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel part is small but a key part of the victory in the end.

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[–] TandyMan (11119) 6 years ago

For making a huge deal about Nick Fury summoning her at the end of Infinity War, she didn't do nothing.

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[–] DarthRoger (867) 6 years ago

From what I have read online, Captain Marvel wasn't supposed to be in either Infinity War or Endgame. The Russo's actually fought to keep her out of Infinity War and only agreed to an end credit scene to introduce her as a new protagonist in Endgame. The one pushing for Captain Marvel to be in both movies was Kevin Feige. The Russo's got their way with Infinity War but had to write her into Endgame. He's the boss but I still don't understand his logic and why Disney/Marvel is so determined to make this character the face of Phase IV.

Guess we will find out going forward. I'm sure going to miss all the original Avengers though. What a great journey over the last decade. Bravo!!!

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[–] sokar (2098) 6 years ago

It was done so Disney can keep there woke aproach, just look at Star Wars. They need there agenda even though the main target audience in fantasy/sci fi/comic books is white males, that is not the target audience they want. They want a new audience that really don't care about the characters. Hence the phrase "go woke, go broke"

Marvel comics was destroyed using this approach and the MCU will follow suit. Even showing Captain Marvel with her Justin Beiber haircut shows the direction the are gonna go.

Tessa Thompson is just as bad as Brie Larson whch is a shame as i liked her charcater but even she can't stop chiming in with using the MCU as a platform to push there individual agendas.

You can see it happending, they go al woke and agenda driven and drive the originl fans away (see Star Wars) and then once they realise whats happend they will throw in an original charcater or 2 to bring back the fans (again see Star Wars) as they are using the same tactic.

It is always the same, agenda over entertainment. No fan cares what sex the character is they just want a good entertaining story but unfortunatly Hollywood and the media just can't help themselves to continuosly attack the fans when there opinion differs.

As far as i am concerned and i'm sure many others feel the same, the MCU ended with Endgame.

And yes you are correct Captain Marvel wasn't even in the Infinity Wars/Endgame Script, she was shoehorned in at the last minute to completely retcon the entire MCU.

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[–] cyberbob (3488) 6 years ago

I think you are being a bit melodramatic

There are still plenty of white guys in the Avengers team. Doctor Strange, who will probably play a leadership role at many times. Ant-Man, who is so lovable to watch thanks to Paul Rudd. Spider-Man, who is the most popular superhero alongside Batman. Star-Lord and Thor, who audiences love. Rocket is voiced by a white guy.

And once the X-Men and F4 are brought into the fold we'll get Wolverine, Cyclops, Magneto, Prof X, Mr. Fantastic, etc. I think most, if not all, of these characters will be played by white or white-passing actors

And it's not totally true that people who aren't white males don't care about the characters. Sure, for many decades it was white males who consumed comic book media, but superheroes have breached well beyond that niche entertainment platform and become a big part of mainstream pop culture. People who never read comic books ARE becoming obsessed with comic book lore, and that includes women and people of color

I am anti-SJW and absolutely hate the approach that Kathleen Kennedy has taken with Star Wars, but I have faith in Kevin Feige that he will be able to balance the diversity that the agenda-driven media demands with the crowd-pleasing stuff we've gotten so far

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[–] alienzen (1931) 6 years ago

I had faith in Feige untill I saw Captain Marvel. That was a film that was crippled by trying to make Carol Danvers a representative for woman kind, instead of a human being. And probably by Marvel's determination to appoint a female director, instead of the best director. Black Widow will be directed by a woman and Shang-chi by an asian guy. Doesn't build my confidence that those films will be any better. And the Eternals will be directed by an asian woman.

At least they will be able to tryout two more female directors I guess, and since only a woman is allowed to direct Captain Marvel 2 I presume, maybe one of them will be better than the Bodens.

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[–] cyberbob (3488) 6 years ago

I haven't seen Captain Marvel, so I can't speak to its quality

Personally, I don't care who directs these movies. Outside of the MCU films, I personally think that Joss Whedon, James Gunn, Peyton Reed, and Scott Derrickson are all average-at-best directors. I hate the Scooby-Doo movies and Slither. I hate Peyton Reed's crappy comedies. I hate Joss Whedon's snarky writing in general

But I enjoyed the movies they made for Marvel. Whedon and Gunn definitely had more pull, but I think most MCU directors mainly serve as lackeys for the producers

I don't care if women are directing these movies either. Women can make good genre films, like Kathryn Bigelow, Patty Jenkins, and Karyn Kusama. As long as they don't shove a clear pro-feminist message down our throats, the way the shitty Star Wars movies do, where the women are all tough and capable and the men are evil or incompetent, I don't care

I also don't care about the race of the director. It makes sense to me that an asian guy would direct Shang-Chi, but I think they should have shelled out the cash for one of the great Korean or Japanese directors, like Bong Joon-Ho, rather than some rando Asian-American nobody

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[–] alienzen (1931) 6 years ago

Whedon, Gunn, Taika Waititi and The Russos all have distinctive styles that are apparent in their films. As does Shane Black actually. Ant-man clearly has the mark of Edgar Wright on it. Producer's don't make films. If it were that easy, every studio would be doing it. I agree that Peyton reed and Scott Derrickson are average, and their MCU movies show it.

"Women" can't make good anything. A particular woman can. The pool of good women directors is much smaller than the pool of male directors. So if you restrict your choice to women only, or asian only, you are almost certainly not getting the best director for the job.

What you think of the directors films outside of the genre doesn't really matter. The question is, are they the best director for tha particular film? Taika Waititi would have been a terrible choice as director of Infinity War, but he was the best choice as director of Ragnarok. I don't think Korean or Japanese directors will necessarily be able to make a good Marvel Superhero movie either. In fact the odds are heavily against it.

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[–] cyberbob (3488) 6 years ago

Obviously producers don't direct films, but different films have different levels of involvement from different parties

Just because the credits say "directed by" doesn't mean that that person made all the most important decisions. They could have just been the one saying action and cut, as an extreme example

A famous example is of the movie Poltergeist. It was directed by Tobe Hooper, but it is rumored to have been directed, secretly, in some parts, by Steven Spielberg. He couldn't be credited as director because of the rules of the Director's Guild, but it is rumored that he did a lot of that kind of work

That is what I mean by the producers doing most of the work in the MCU. They decide the tone of the movie. They have the final say on the script. They make decisions in post-production. And if the director doesn't toe the line, they fire him and find a willing yes man. It is not a complicated idea

There are obviously less women directors than male directors, but there are still some out there. So far, I've seen the MCU display of finding mediocre directors (in my opinion) like Whedon and Gunn and helping them make stand-out movies. So they could hire a transgender chimp to direct all their movies for all I care, I just don't want any SJW messages within the film itself

As for having Asian directors in Marvel movies, who knows. I wouldn't mind seeing them try. One of my favorite action movies is Face/Off, directed by the Chinese legend John Woo. Maybe it wouldn't work for a Marvel film, since they tend to stick to a certain blueprint, but I wouldn't mind seeing a famous Asian director do something for DC. And there's good Asian American directors like Justin Lin, James Wan, Ang Lee (though he failed with Hulk), Cary Fukunuga is half Asian, etc.

I don't care who directs Shang-Chi. In fact, I don't even care about the character Shang-Chi at all. I probably won't go see the movie, but I understand why Marvel is doing what it is doing. They got flack for casting Tilda Swinton as The Ancient One. They do not need that fiasco all over again

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[–] alienzen (1931) 6 years ago

Yet Thor:Ragnarok is loved by almost everyone, and Captain Marvel is loved by noone, and hated by most people who are being honest.

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[–] cyberbob (3488) 6 years ago

Taika Waititi directed What We Do in the Shadows, so he definitely has some talent, because that was a funny movie. I thought Thor: Ragnarok was good for a Thor movie, but I didn't personally love it. It definitely played to his strengths, though.

I barely checked who directed Captain Marvel, apparently it's an Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck. I've actually seen two of their movies, Half Nelson and Mississippi Grind. From what I can remember about them they were decent, somewhat slow indy dramas that were very good showcases for acting, but the stories were forgettable and tad boring

I don't know what made Feige choose them to direct CM. You could say it's because one of the two is a woman, but there are several other women directors he could have chosen. I haven't seen CM so I don't know if I will hate it, but based on their past films a big CGI-fest action movie seems like a totally wrong fit. Lots of good directors have directed terrible movies when they work out of their comfort zone. Francis Ford Coppola made Jack, a crappy comedy when he is known for serious dramas. David Fincher made Alien 3, a sci-fi movie when he is known for psychological thrillers.

Not saying that Boden and Fleck are anywhere in that league, but I am saying that you can't write artists off completely because of one misfire (if you can even call CM that. It made bank, if nothing else)

You are quick to shit on them because you yourself have an agenda. You fiercely want These attempts at diversity to fail because you view it as SJW pandering. Ironically, that makes you a lot more alike to these SJW people like Kathleen Kennedy, than you realize

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[–] alienzen (1931) 6 years ago

You haven't been paying attention to what I wrote then. I want Marvel films to be good, I don't want them to fail. Captain Marvel was the worst MCU film to date. I was shocked at some elemental blunders that it made, which at this stage in the game is hard to understand. Before Captain Marvel I still had trust in Marvel whatever they did. Black Panther was a middling Marvel film, but I knew that Coogler is a good directer and passionate about the comics.

"you could say it's because one of the two is a woman"

It is because one of them is a woman. They were searching for a female director for a long time, and ended up with a couple because they couldn't find one.

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[–] cyberbob (3488) 6 years ago

He was only following DC and Warner Bros. lead

Wonder Woman was the first female solo superhero film of the modern era and it was a smash fucking hit. And DC only considered women to direct. First Michelle McLaren, some chick who directed a few Breaking Bad episodes, and then Patty Jenkins, the director of the great film Monster

Marvel was already getting flack for not doing a Black Widow film and letting DC, a johnny-come-lately to the shared universe game, get ahead of them in terms of female superhero movies (Wonder Woman AND Harley Quinn were before Captain Marvel)

If they had hired only a male director for Captain Marvel the press would have shat all over them, and the MCU has gotten to where its at by playing it extremely smart and safe

And don't get me wrong, I am by no means a Feige fanboy, or even an MCU fanboy. I actually kind of hate them for turning the superhero franchise into glorified television series, with movies acting more like episodes than standalone experiences. I am a Nolan Batman fanboy, so I have a big bone to pick with Feige and the MCU

But I understand their choices, based on the bullshit cultural climate that we live in. They will continue to rake in billions while also getting critics AND fans to suck their dicks because they are extremely smart about how they approach things. If Captain Marvel, a movie that made hundreds of millions and has a 78% RT score, is their biggest failure, then they are doing something VERY right

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[–] cyberbob (3488) 6 years ago

And Marvel is a big company that relies on the mainstream media to promote its films. The mainstream media, like it or not, leans to the left-wing

They are not gonna risk getting the inevitable bad press just to appease a few angry nerds on the internet who hate identity politics. Not when movies like Black Panther, which was heavily promoted as a black film, joined the billion dollar club

Have some common sense and stop whining about shit that will definitely not change

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[–] alienzen (1931) 6 years ago

You are delusional if you think that pandering to identity politics is good for business. How did that work out for Starwars?

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[–] cyberbob (3488) 6 years ago

It's not working out too bad. Sure, Solo was a flop. And The Last Jedi is hated by many on the internet. But Disney has already made a profit from the 4 billion they spent on buying the franchise

As much as I hate the new Star Wars movies, I'd be lying to myself if I pretended like they didn't have SOME success. I genuinely hope the movies fail so that Kathleen Kennedy can be fired, but I won't get my hopes up. These mega franchises are very hard to kill. Even shit shows like Suicide Squad rolled in the dough

And it's not that I think identity politics, in and of themselves, are good for business. I think the identity politics are good for positive pre-release marketing from left-leaning media, and it's good for getting positive reviews from left-leaning major film critics

For example, did you think Get Out by Jordan Peele was a total masterpiece? I didn't. I thought it was a slightly above average, derivative horror film. But it won an Oscar, had a nearly 100% Rotten Tomatoes Score, and was lauded as the coming of the next Steven Spielberg by several media outlets

When SJW-pandering works, it CAN pay off. That's not me being pro-SJW, that's just facing reality. Sure, it CAN backfire, but it's a risk that these studios will continue to take, because the benefits can be enormous. Get Out, Black Panther, Wonder Woman. They were all praised to a ridiculous extent

I hate SJW culture probably as much as you do, but I don't have a naive outlook on it informed by crappy Youtube channels and message boards. I try to analyze the movie industry in more depth to understand its trends, because as much as I hate SJWs, I love movies more

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[–] alienzen (1931) 6 years ago

I haven't seen Get Out, and neither has anyone else outside of the US. It's a novelty factor for Americans, no one outside of the US cares about it. The film made the same kind of money as other breakout horror films. When it comes to billion dollar franchises, you are going to alienate more people than you gain by pandering.

Black Panther and Captain Marvel piggy backed on the back of Infinity War, and the "first" factor. Well see how much the sequels make.

The first Starwars films in a decade were going to make money no matter what. But TLJ box office imploded after TFA. Johnson was sacked, and they have apparent done a 180 on episode 9. A whole host of pĺanned Starwarsverse films got cancelled.

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[–] cyberbob (3488) 6 years ago

Get Out made 79 mill foreign total on budget of less than 5 mill. Even if you ignored the almost 200 mill domestic gross, it would have made back its budget tenfold. From a first-time director and with Catherine fucking Keener as the biggest star in the movie. It was a success any way you slice it

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[–] alienzen (1931) 6 years ago

Insidious made 43m foreign on a 1.5m budget. The nun made 250m on a 20m budget. Lots of mediocre horror films with a tiny budget have made huge profits.

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[–] cyberbob (3488) 6 years ago

Yes. And your point is? Horror movies are big fucking business. I literally said that Get Out was just ok

When you're working with budgets that small it doesn't matter how well it does in the foreign market. It does with superhero movies, but superhero movies aren't social horror-satires the way Get Out is. Even the "SJW" superhero movies like Black Panther and Wonder Woman pack on the action, the CGI, the one-liners, the celebrities, etc.

Black Panther made almost as much in the foreign market as it did in the domestic, both over 500 mill

Wonder Woman made less overall, but again, the foreign was very close to the domestic

Your arguments hold no water, dude. Bring some actual facts and then I'll believe that MCU is making a mistake with these choices for directors. I'm not seeing this impending doom that your favorite Youtubers are probably predicting

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[–] alienzen (1931) 6 years ago

Neither Black Panther or Wonder Woman were woke films, so I don't know what that has to do with anything. Wonder Woman was successful precisely because it was not woke, and was actually a relatively good film.
Most Marvel movies make twice as much foreign as they do in the US, so Black Panther and Wonder Woman actually performed relatively badly outside of the US.

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[–] cyberbob (3488) 6 years ago

How was Black Panther not a "woke" film? It showed isolationist foreign policies, which are traditionally right-wing policies, in a bad light. It celebrated ostentatious black culture. It featured a sympathetic, militant black villain trying to unite a black nation against a white-ruled world. By any reasonable standard it was as woke as any superhero movie ever made.

I haven't seen Captain Marvel yet, but I highly doubt that it pushes feminism as aggressively as Black Panther pushed black solidarity. But that's totally besides the point

I am not going to comb over every single MCU film and compare the domestic and foreign box offices just for the sake of an internet argument

But suffice it to say, you are contradicting yourself. You said that neither Black Panther nor Wonder Woman are "woke" films. And yet, you say, they performed poorly relative to other superhero films which feature white males

This would indicate that foreign audiences simply tend to reject films featuring minority characters, whether the message within the films are "woke" or not. This means that the MCU has no incentive to NOT include "wokeness" within their films, since the simple act of including a non white male lead character will lead to lesser foreign margins

So basically the whole world, outside of America, is racist and sexist? And Marvel is supposed to be ruthless enough to use this knowledge and decide to only make superhero movies based on white males?

I have no idea what your point is. Because, I think, you don't have a point at all. You're just regurgitating glib talking points from dumbass Youtubers. You have no ability to critically analyze your own arguments. I'll give you one more response to convince me to continue this conversation. Then I'll stop replying

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[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Get back in your cave now. It's the future and the timeline has been altered.

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[–] sokar (2098) 6 years ago

Im not sure who that was meant for "cyberbob" but ill respond anyway.

My comments never mentioned anything about the white male charcaters, i said the target audience being predominantly white males, which it is that cannot be argued against as that is a known fact. I also never mentioned anyones race i again just stated the target audence being predominantly white males.

Unfortunately when these decisions happen they make drastic changes and attack the fanbase that made it great in the first place (see The Last Jedi, Star Trek and Dr Who). Of course there are other races and genders that enjoy the MCU and comic books that would be a given i was again only stating the majority target audience.

Look to the rumour of Thor 4 being a woman to see the direction they want to go. Now if they wanted to create a new norse god based around a female character then fine no one would care but why change Thor. Thor is not a mantle, he is not a symbol, he is a male norse god taken from actual mythology his gender cannot be changed and keep the same name just so you can have a female charcater, it is lazy and just pushes the argument that an agenda makes these decisions.

I hope you are right about X-Men and Fantastic Four but unfortunately i think they will go down the SJW route until they realise they actually need the fans and then will course correct with the X-Men to bring everyone back onside.

We will have 2 more Captain Marvel movies which just makes my eyes roll especially having to suffer Brie Larson and her monotone demeanour for more movies is just depressing. There are some truely great female characters to call upon, there is no need to start gender swapping and pushing agendas. Kevin Fiege forced Catain Marvel into Endgame so there is no reason to think he will do the same with other's just to push the agenda.

I honestly hope you are right but i just can't see it, Disney have burnt to many briches.

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[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

She should not use vocal fry indeed. It's sets a bad example. Disney is destined to milk all cows until they are dead. It is inevitable for those juggernaut companies.
But Captain Marvel is ok in my book. Nothing wrong with female superheroes.

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[–] DarthRoger (867) 6 years ago

Yeah, I too will be done with the MCU after Avengers: Endgame. Phase IV will see the waning of fan interest, since they've chosen to foolishly go down this SJW path.

Their financial funeral.

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[–] Lilmsdev (10) 6 years ago

Right. She did absolutely nothing except save Tony’s life. You know Tony, right? The guy who figured out time travel and ultimately kills Thanos? Yeah. That wouldn’t have happened if he had suffocated in space.

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[–] ace2 (574) 6 years ago

She seemed superfluous. Only one thing she did at the beginning made any difference, and if Tony's ship hadn't failed she would be completely unnecessary. Given her power set, really surprised how little she did.

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[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Too little, too much. Incels cry for their littlest things.

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[–] alienzen (1931) 6 years ago

It's funny, I've never seen an attractive person use the insult "incel". It's usually skinny effeminate men who think they might get laid if they prove how "woke" they are by insulting other men, or bull dyke lesbians.

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[–] DarthRoger (867) 6 years ago

Oooooo - BURN!!!!

Nice one alienzen and spot on!

Let's not forget how utterly silly the term "incel" sounds. It's like they made it up in order to seem highbrowed in their insults. Instead they all end up sounding like the special kid in the corner who eats crayons.

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[–] AP (5288) 6 years ago

Wasn't incel a term coined by actual misogynists? Not that the label isn't overused anyway, but incels did not originate as an insult.

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[–] DarthRoger (867) 6 years ago

I had never heard that term used until the last two years, about the time Hollywood started feminizing movies (the last Ghostbusters for example) and it became a staple word for the cultural Left. Of course, it's a meaningless word as most people hear it and think that the user is referring to a Star Trek race.

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[–] AP (5288) 6 years ago

Yeah, it stands for Intentionally Celibate. That one kid who shot a bunch of college students because he couldn't get a date considered himself an incel.

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[–] DarthRoger (867) 6 years ago

Ironic that the cultural left would appropriate that word. Fitting since that shooter was likely a progressive.

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[–] footballhead (80) 6 years ago

I think it was a good thing. She just got her own movie. One thing I didn't want was having her be this deux ex machina that solves everything for them. Instead, she got some good scenes with the cast, had some cool moments, and that was enough.

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[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Sure but she took the Hulks place. Maybe that's the Russo's revenge. I would have loved some hits from Thanos on him doing absolutely nothing (like the headbutt on Danvers)

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[–] alienzen (1931) 6 years ago

We already saw that Thanos' punches can lay the hulk out.

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[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Of course. Unless the Hulk gets really angry (at least that used to be the case. Now he's just a sissy)

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[–] alienzen (1931) 6 years ago

I personally didn't need it. We had the moment in The Avengers when he ragdolled Loki. And he punted Ultron. How many times do you need to see the same thing? He got a character arc which was better.

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[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

You have a point but the Hulk used to be a favourite for me. And I was really hoping they would show just how strong he could get with the entire MCU entourage as a witness. You know the feeling you get when you see him stop Thor's hammer in the arena?

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[–] alienzen (1931) 6 years ago

Sure but you can't fit everything into one film. Tony and Cap were the heart of the MCU, and they got the special moments and a send off. Hulk is still around, so it's conceivable you could get a worldbreaker hulk later down the line. Thor got turned into a slob, but this wasn't his final moment either. They were both kind of neutered to allow Tony and Steve to shine.

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[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Maybe. And maybe it is a brilliant move to keep a great Hulk outing behind for boosting the movies after RDJ and Chris Evans leave.

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