Did we just watch a child porn?
She is only 16.
And looks like 12 or 13.
Interesting question. How do you define legal age? Age from date of birth our chronological age?
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Yes, the actor may be 20 but in the show it is implied she is 16 . So yes I would agree this would borderline on child pornography. I like the show but find it hard to believe tv has gotten to this level. Worse is best mentality of hollywood.
shareThere is no borderline. The implications don't matter in the eyes of the law, only the age of the actress. I am not saying it is right but that is how it works. An 18 yr old girl that looks 10-12 could make a fortune in the porn industry because it can be marketed as real kiddie porn without actually breaking the law. It should be very illegal because the people buying it really are pedophiles. They should have Tanner scale requirements regardless of the actress's age.
shareIt should be very illegal because the people buying it really are pedophiles.Which is something I don't get: the problem about pedophiles is that they could hurt children. In this case no children are hurt. So why should it be illegal? share
Because pedophiles are like any other rapist in that porn doesn't satisfy their need to be in total control of their victims. It is also harder to track down real child pornographers when they have to spend time sorting through and disqualifying the legal ones. If they set a Tanner requirement that makes it all illegal. They would also have to pass regulations for age progression/regression but that would be easier to enforce with Tanner. Legitimate pornographers have plenty of other legal avenues to make money. Granted there are some underage girls that look like adults but they are useless for child porn. Most legit companies are now pretty thorough when it comes to making sure their actresses are not underage and it is much easier to do since porn has become pretty mainstream with no shortage of willing adult actresses. They even have unions for porn workers now. No one wants another Traci Lords on their hands. Porn is a very lucrative business and they don't want to risk being shut down and going to jail because a girl lied about her age. Also since it has become common the actors pay taxes which requires a SSN and that would catch those with fake ID convincing enough to get the job. The IRS sees and knows all and they want every penny of their legal money lol. The legit companies don't fight the rules because they aren't losing any money over it. It is also much easier for them to find and keep actors when they are known for doing everything legally, including requiring condoms and regular STD screenings. They get the good actors and the actors get paid without worrying about legal problems.
And no, I don't work in the porn business but I have known a couple of people who did and by nature I ask a lot of questions. I'm not an activist or protester because I think as long as everyone is a consenting adult, no laws are broken and no one is hurt they have the right to do whatever they want to make a living.
An 18 yr old girl that looks 10-12 could make a fortune in the porn industry because it can be marketed as real kiddie porn without actually breaking the law. It should be very illegal because the people buying it really are pedophiles.
Huh? Porn involving adults who look like minors should be "very illegal" because pedophiles are buying it? WTF? That's completely asinine.
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Are you just joking around or did that scene truly ruffle your feathers?
Because the actress who plays Camille will be 21 years old this Fall and the actor who plays Ben is currently 22...So, no, you did not watch child pornography or any pornography for that matter.
Did you ever watch Beverly Hills 90210? All the actors were in their 20's but played teenagers. And their characters all had sex, well, except for Donna. I don't believe any mention of child pornography was brought up.
shareActually the real question is did we watch a statutory rape. Nothing we saw on screen rose the level of porn.
shareNot complaining. But what I watched is more erotic than most porn. I just can't fully enjoy it because of being told she is only 16. I am a law abiding citizen.
shareWhat? So basically any shows that has teenagers, played by adults, having sex you can't find erotic? Weird. It's not like it's real life. I guess your best bet is to not watch any shows with teenagers cuz a sex scene is bound happen sooner or later. Unless it's rated G.
shareYou are into underage girls but pretend not to because of: law?
share16 is the age of consent here in England ;)
shareMaybe it's the age of consent in England, but in America, it's 18.
That said, I am only semi-surprised at people's reaction to this scene. As someone else brought up, there is 90210 (which I never watched, because I'm not into soap operas, and yes, it was a teenage soap opera). Going beyond this, have any of you read or seen either version of Lolita? Or how about Orphan? OK, in Orphan there was no actual sex, because the person the "girl" wanted, didn't want her, but the point is, that in the Alicia Sylverstone version of Lolita, and in Orphan, both girls were underage. In Lolita especially, there were closeups of Jeremy Irons and Alicia (individual shots for easier editing later), and yes, a stunt double was used for Alicia, but the point remains that the final editing made it blatantly look as though Jeremy and Alicia were having sex, and in that case, the girl was somewhere between 13 and 16 (I really can't remember. It's been YEARS since I've seen it).
At least here, in Returned, both actors are of age.
I'm American, but I really do understand why people from other countries shake their heads at us over this kind of thing. Reacting like this just makes Americans look very foolish. There is art, and there is porn, and people need to learn the difference. This was not porn. Not by a long shot.
That said, no, I didn't find it erotic, but honestly, I don't think we were supposed to. What I took away from the entire scene was that Camile, as a returned, IS different from the person she was. What she wasn't ready to explore before, she is now. She sees being returned as a second lease on life, and wants to live it. So, once she was able to convince Ben that she wasn't a freak, and they were able to talk, she was able to get him to have sex with her. I really don't think she was thinking about what it would do to Lena, just as she had no idea that the end result of having sex with Ben would kill him. She was simply ready now to experience what she wasn't ready to experience before. Of course, all I could think about in regard to what happened to Ben was American Horror Story: Coven, and the girl who killed whatever guy she had sex with just by having sex, so I know I probably shouldn't have, but I couldn't help it. When I saw Ben was dead, I started laughing because of what it reminded me of.
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Maybe it's the age of consent in England, but in America, it's 18.
It varies from state to state. Some are 18, some 17, and some 16. share
And in some countries it's whatever age your dad decides to marry you off to one of his business associates. Still doesn't make it a good idea.
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But what I watched is more erotic than most porn.
And there's a sidewalk scene between Joel McCrea and Jean Arthur in the 1943 movie The More the Merrier that's easily more erotic than most porn* (and easily more erotic than the scene we're talking about, too). That doesn't mean that porn was being approved for release by the Hays Office at the height the Production Code era. Eroticism and pornography are really two very different concepts. Sometimes they overlap, often they don't.
The Camille - Ben scene in the season finale of The Returned wasn't porn.
* Truth be told, most porn isn't really all that erotic.
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Well, it was some male's fantasy, fer shure. She was a 16 year old virgin (based on the comment that she wasn't "ready" before but her sister Lena was), and virgins don't get that enthusiastic the first time...or maybe even the 2nd time. The whole scene was way too rambunctious to be believable. You just don't "ride 'em cowboy and "bronco bust" the first time. I don't think male virgins do the first time, either. It was totally gratuitous.
shareIt was totally gratuitous.
1) That scene told us that Lena feels Camille's strong sensations. We had seen / been told about Camille feeling Lena's sensations before (most notably when Lena lost her virginity just before the bus accident), but this was the first time that they showed / confirmed that it also worked in the other direction. That wouldn't have been clear if they didn't cut back and forth between the two sisters at the time it was happening. That means showing at least some of the sex scene.
2) That scene told us that Ben was now so attached to Lena that he was thinking about her while having sex with Camille. There's no good way to tell us that, in a way that it can't be doubted as a lie, outside of a scene during the sex.
3) If you don't show any of the sex scene, then it leaves open to speculation the question of what might have caused Ben to die. To make it clear that *nothing* outside of the sex happened that might have caused that, they pretty much had to show at least what they did.
That scene contained way too much character & plot information, information that would have been virtually impossible to make as clear in other ways, for it to count as "gratuitous".
Also, let's not forget that they didn't actually show much of anything during the sex scene, just head and upper shoulders of each of them.
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Well, it was some male's fantasy, fer shure. She was a 16 year old virgin (based on the comment that she wasn't "ready" before but her sister Lena was), and virgins don't get that enthusiastic the first time...or maybe even the 2nd time. The whole scene was way too rambunctious to be believable. You just don't "ride 'em cowboy and "bronco bust" the first time. I don't think male virgins do the first time, either. It was totally gratuitous.
are you a comedian? or were you being serious? share
Threads like this are why I'm glad this show was cancelled.
Watching the original French version with (gasp!) sub-titles weeds out all the puritanical moronic American viewers.
People believe what they want to believe. One term for this is Faith. Another is Delusion.