I'm guessing demons. It seemed a bit too random and small scale to be "Satan", and there were multiple figures, so demons seems most likely. That was also the most memorable part of the movie for me though. It was really subtle, and not violent at all, yet extremely creepy. Something about crawling through a hole in the bottom of the earth, and seeing a mundane wicker chair with a hooded figure in it is freaking terrifying.
It's actually not-there is nothing in the OT or NT about the levels of Hell-nothing whatsoever. Judas is in the poem, but that's about it. Its a creative poem written in the 1300s
This films seems to have cut, copied, re-dited, watered down and pasted together several different Christian mythologies together.
I honestly thought that the film was making some sort of reference to Dante's Inferno (Dante Alighieri's 14th-century epic poem). However, it also uses some of the old-school Philosopher's stone alchemy and some people have pointed out a few other influences (The Crusades and something that started with an 'H'.)
The figure in the chair COULD have been intended to represent the devil (at one point I think you see the character's breath, which suggest coldness and that as hell is described by Dante). Although, it was not really clear.
Also, does it make sense that people are punished -- by heaven for hell -- merely for feeling guilty about something that they probably could not have actually prevented or stopped?
The Mole went into the 'undiscovered' parts of the Paris caverns and got lost. His friends did go looking for him, but could not find him. I am not sure that qualifies as leaving him to die.
Another character's younger brother drowned (when they were both kids) and the way that he describes it, their is no way that he could have actually saved his brother.
The heroine Tomb Raider-wannabe character had NO way of knowing that her father was suicidal. At least, from how it is described in the film. I can understand feeling sad or having "survivors guilt", but punishment from beyond the grave tends to be based on the idea that someone "deserves" it.
At least with a car accident, their is some sort of implication that the character somehow caused or contributed to the accident that killed some of his friends (and left him with some scars).
Maybe...expecting Hell to play fair is not terribly reasonable, but it seemed like a plot hole/flaw IMHO.
If you recall the heroine ran into her father hanging and hugged him telling him she was sorry for not picking up the phone. This was the guilt she had. Had she picked up the phone he might not have killed himself.
I didn't think he was the Devil at all. He wasn't powerful nor did he seem like the genius that created that mind *beep* they were in. He was easily pushed over and that removed all of his ability to come off as a threat.
I did however think the lady in the white dress that appeared at the club and in other scenes could possibly be the devil.
That's why I think it might have been Satan. He wouldn't have needed to be some monstrous winged demon. And he would have just appeared and disappeared since he would have no real power over the survivors yet. It's almost like he was surprised they had made it into that room and found him. Those are just my thoughts though.
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I can see where you are getting at. Especially since every movie I have seen that tries to portray Satan he never really seems to have real power. To me his only power seems to be the power of convincing the weak.
It's hard to explain my position on this thought, but I enjoy discussing it. I think in the movie we saw Satan portrayed as different people on Earth. Satan is never himself on Earth he seems to always need a body to be in. Perfect example would be Devil's Advocate with Al Pacino. I think Satan was the girl in the white dress also. I will also have to watch again to see who could also be Satan or if it is just the two people that we mentioned. Everyone else just seemed to be ghouls or whatever you want to call them.
I thought that each character who appeared in hell -- other then the main explorers -- was the spirit of someone who an explorer had "wronged" or felt guilty about. Based on that theory....
Pap is killed by people he killed in a car accident or maybe he was guilty because was survived with only some burns.
Souxie was killed by "The Mole" (who had died when the ceiling fell in the treasure room or...the first Mole we saw was a kindly spirit and the second was an evil one). Souxie did something bad to the Mole when he was alive or the Mole was just killing her to get back at Pap.
The Mole had lived underground for awhile and had decided to go into the "bad" part of the Catacombs for some reason. I think the character was suppose to be homeless, perhaps somewhat "developmentally disabled".
Ben -- the doc. filmmaker/camera man -- was killed by the leader of the "chanting cult" (as I like to call them). You saw her briefly outside the nightclub. So, she either died and came back to seek revenge on Ben or she was a demon who didn't like documentary film makers.
Scarlett could have been killed by her father, because she didn't answer the phone right before her father committed suicide. But she apologized.
George could have been killed by his younger brother who drown, although it didn't sound like it was really George's fault. But he apologized.
Zed -- I think that he mentioned (just before the end of the film) what was haunting him.
Although if the son was not dead, wouldn't that disrupt the apparent rules set up in the film, namely the dead "haunting" people who "did them wrong" or something of that sort
The figure in the chair was 1. A reference to Scarlett's dad suicide. Maybe he used a chair. Or 2. Some sort of middle management demon. 3. Satan or something to do with the chanting cult.
The I others are largely haunted by their guilt/sins committed against the dead. Zed may be haunted by the guilt of a living child he ignores, but the others seem to be more hauntings, especially with the mole character.
Although if all you need to do is apologize in order to make the hauntings stop,
I guess the survivors could just go back for the stone and riches and just apologize to anything supernatural.
"Ben -- the doc. filmmaker/camera man -- was killed by the leader of the "chanting cult" (as I like to call them). You saw her briefly outside the nightclub. So, she either died and came back to seek revenge on Ben or she was a demon who didn't like documentary film makers. "
Yeah. It's clear to me that the creepy lady was Ben's haunting, we just don't get to know the facts behind.... you can notice we always see her throught his point of view
After seeing the Movie , to get your hand om philosophers stone you had to . Risk the 'dangerous path' Go down a sewer Solve a Egyptian stone puzzle Find a bright tunnel under a templar knights tomb Solve a Sun puzzle in treasure chamber *stone aquired* and worked on girls hand..
To return, orientate the same back but by going do, not up.
As it seemed it was mere a portion of Hell in terms of rectify. Which means ' to correct by removing errors' either you apologized for your misstakes or was forgiven by whoever you brought harm to.
The charm of this tale is that we don't know what or how to get philaophers stone. It seems it had more secrets, as it could one be used once. Then someone acquired its healing powers if they return it in the 'below' world. Could this be a symbol that Hell acquired it powers from the above world?
Do you think Scarlett became immortal and gained healing powers after this trip?
I thought that each character who appeared in hell -- other then the main explorers -- was the spirit of someone who an explorer had "wronged" or felt guilty about.
Yes I agree completely. In another thread people ask "who was the girl? who is this/that?!?" but I said the same, the people seen were specific to the past of each explorer. The guy in the car only killed Pap because he was specific to the guilt of Pap. Only Scarlett saw her father, only Benjy saw the girl, only George saw his brother.
Most of the characters die before we learn who some of those people really ARE, beyond people from their guilty conscience.
George could have been killed by his younger brother who drown, although it didn't sound like it was really George's fault.
With this part of your post, however, I think you are off. I think they are not haunted necessarily by people they have harmed or wronged, but by people who represent what they feel the most guilty about, or in their own minds THEY believe they have harmed. Scarlett and George of course did not hurt their respective family members, but in their own minds they feel it was their fault.
The old "they would have lived if I had done things differently, this is my fault" kind of thinking. So they were not being haunted by the actual spirits, but they were only being haunted by their own guilty conscience.
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Pretty sure everyone saw the phone ringing, the piano, the burning car, and I know they saw the cult (Pap mentioned that there were weird people in the catacombs as they passed by). And that guy that attacked Souxie: everybody saw him.
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I never really questioned it. They were growing closer to hell, so I assumed these guys were either the gate guardians, or demons. It wasn't hard to imagine finding demons close to the entrance into hell.
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