It's bad enough that diversity and race-mixing are once again shoved down your throat, but for Michael Fassbender to be paired with someone as repulsive as Jodie Turner-Smith is beyond the pale. I’m convinced this was done intentionally to provoke and irritate White men.
shareI'm guessing it's just a token gesture seeing since 99% of mixed race couples in commercials/movies will feature a pretty white woman paired with some non-white version of the elephant man.
shareAlso Jodie Turner-Smith portrays a Sudanese Woman in Ethiopia, 70% of Sudanese are Arabs by race, only 30% are black.
Ethiopia is also mostly Arabs.
But they avoided casting Arabs, that is racial preference and racism in itself.
I am guessing at least partially Jewish influence.
I think Miscegenation is also a key Jewish initiative to combat white (Aryan) supremacy.
> 70% of Sudanese are Arabs by race, only 30% are black.
So what? Are you suggesting they should cast them by statistics?
This thread is a safe space for your orgy of hate and ugliness, racism, anti-semitism and misogyny.
Martian is in love with a Sudanese woman. In the original French one, Malotru was in love with a Syrian woman. Both I believe are Muslim. And it was emphasized in both, that the woman is important to each guy. It doesn’t matter why these guys like the women but they do. Is anybody watching the series at all? There’s a lot more going on. It’s beautifully complex and this American/British series is following the original very closely, and it yet it has far less appeal. I would like to hear what people think of the series. We are into the 8th episode. I know what I think. But every time I look at this discussion, the topics are focused on inane things. If there’s a S2, which there should be, it goes a different way for Martian/Malotru, but she is still the focus. Separately, most viewers of the original did fall in love with Nadia, the Syrian woman. Turner-Smith goes without saying is a formidable actress.
shareIt is almost the exact same scenes, exact same dialogues, other than casting what else can you talk about?
Why do you even watch this if you have watched the original?
Mind you that all you actually talked about is casting too.
Why wouldn’t I watch it. I see remakes all the time. It’s following the original, and yet it’s not nearly as good. Compared to the original, it’s boring. It lacks magic. It’s barely bearable. How can that happen. And this endless discussion of this woman’s race is definitely exhausting. She’s a very good actress but the casting is iffy on this one. I would like to see the original again but now, because of this series airing, it is no longer available. Wondered what other people thought of this series now that we are at ep. 8 other than the color of this actress.
shareCan you read subtitles? Speak French?
Please see the original French series. Le Bureau des Légendes or just The Bureau. It is by far one the best series ever made. The actress who plays Nadia (name change in this one) is one of the most beautiful women - a French/Moroccan actress Zineb Triki. It is also one of the most exciting espionage spy movie/television whatever - better than a John le Carré or Graham Greene or Ian Fleming novel or film. Malotru - or in this case, Martian (Fassbender’s character) - is about the best spy I have ever seen.
There are five seasons to the original. I don’t know how this American/British one will do. So far, I like Wright and Gere but it’s too early to see if everything works. But they are following the original pretty closely. I am glad it’s based in London and not Langley. The heart of this series revolves around this man and this woman. Casting is so important. I am not sure they thought it over, so in some way I agree with you. And then of course Jack White’s Love is Blindness is straight out of the last episode of S1 of Peaky Blinders, which was a love story for the ages as was Nadia and Malotru in The Legend. And this song is slamming you in the head to make its case that one is too. It isn’t. But I am going to stick with it. I think this series might be really good.
Then I suggest you have a look at "Les Patriotes", a 1994 French film written and directed by Eric Rochant, the Showrunner of "Le Bureau des Légendes".
https://www.imdb.com/fr/title/tt0110796/?ref_=fn_all_ttl_1
Both have many similarities, writing-wise, and "Les Patriotes" is an absolutely fantastic 2h20 concentrated version of "Le Bureau", following Mossad operations in France and the US. Probably one of the most criminally overlooked French film of the 90's. A damn-near perfect film in my book.
Make sure to get the international dub of the film though, where every characters speak their mother tongue.
I forgot about this, and I did see it. I loved it. I like Yvan Attal in most anything, and I especially liked Sandrine Kimberlain. She was fantastic in this. Thank you for reminding me. I will watch it again as I am sick of Netflix. I only watch subtitles and I just found it on Tubi. So Thanks again.
shareYou're most welcome.
Yeah, Sandrine Kiberlain was quite.... erm, "hypnotising" in this one.
Speaking of her, the only (minor) gripe I have with this film is the very last shot which I thought should have been cut a second earlier so as to leave things undecided with regards to the protagonist's obsession with her character.
And speaking of Attal, you might also be interested in checking out "Rapt", a 2009 film starring Attal and a retelling of the Empain baron kidnapping case in the late 70's. Nowhere near as brilliant as "Les Patriotes" but good stuff nonetheless.
I did see Rapt at a French film festival. It was very good. There was a movie I enjoyed with Attal and Sophie Marceau called Anthony Zimmer and I can’t find it anywhere. They did an American remake which was horrible with Johnny Depp and Angelina Jolie called The Tourist. Any other recommendations, I would love it.
shareDon’t know if you’re still around for this discussion. I saw it again.
I have with this film is the very last shot which I thought should have been cut a second earlier so as to leave things undecided with regards to the protagonist's obsession with her character.
"Don’t know if you’re still around for this discussion."
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In the words of Delbert Grady: "Oh, I'm always here. I've always been here."
SPOILERS
Yes, (the way I remember it) that final shot were he notices a red-haired girl at the airport that looks like her and then she turns around, and -at last- it's her! I think the ending would have been more poetic (with regards to Attal's obsession and guilt towards the girl), and perhaps a bit more honest about the nature of "the game" (they didn't save a pro-israel high-value asset from a foreign intelligence agency but save a goy prostitute?) if the last shot had been of the back of her head or of Attal's gaze towards her.
"Do you mean where he takes her into the office and shuts the door and blinds and you see them kiss through the blinds?"
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They actually do that? See, I'd forgotten about that. I gues my memory edited the film to end when she turns around and smiles to him (which I find is already too much).
"Did Israeli intelligence create her passport?"
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Yes, that would also be my understanding of the end as it is.
Now you can tell me your real name. -Yuri Eisenbach!
Spoilers -
So, she doesn’t turn around. He advances toward her and gets in front of her. They eye each other and he asks her where she got her passport - she says Paris. Asked if she had any accidents. No. Then asked her where she’s going - she names the hotel with room number in Tel Aviv. But he holds her passport up to the light to see if the stamps touch one time on each page - I couldn’t see what it was. Did you? It was explained earlier in the movie how to tell if it was faked by Israeli tech guy or real. So, no last minute turning around. He gets her in that office alone and they kiss.
Long tall Sandrine was the whole show in this movie. I can see how many years later, Rochant builds on these themes for The Bureau and how important a man’s love for a woman can affect the whole world if he’s a spy who screws up.
Another woke remake of a great original series, shocker.
shareYes. I agree with you. After the set up of the first two seasons, it is the third one I love the best. Where he goes into the field with ISIS or Daesh as they say. And I don’t think this new remake will get that far.
So since you saw it - without going into detail and creating spoilers - do you ever wonder if the director who was also the show-runner and who gave up the last two episodes to French director, Jacques Audiard (who I love btw) but I think in this case, the original director, Eric Rochant, should have seen it through to the end. I will always wonder about the way the ending was told.
Yes, he should have. I had wondered why it ended the way it did. I was looking forward to a sixth season and saw that they ended it with five which was disappointing. I was not aware that it had something to do with a director switch.
shareWell, S5 was to be the last anyway. There wasn’t going to be a six. Some series actually do end.
“Weariness aside, Rochant felt that he had reached a mythical television target. ‘For me, a real series is five seasons,’ he said. ‘I could have stopped at four, but ‘The Wire’ is five seasons. ‘Friday Night Lights’ is five. ‘Boardwalk Empire’ is five.”
But he did turn over the last two episodes to Audiard which included power over life-and-death decisions about the characters. To me, what happened was probably going to happen but it was the way it happened. Audiard said that he would never hand off something of his to someone else. Other countries might remake it, i.e., German or South Korean. I can’t figure out if this one is American or British. But some remakes are great. I thought The Tunnel was very good after the original Bron/Broen The Bridge. I can’t figure out why Americans can’t do make remakes. The casting was critical in this. Maybe they’re rewriting it.
I wasn't the only one hoping or expecting a sixth season to tie things over.
https://www.scopeweekly.com/2020/08/the-bureau-season-5-is-over-mathieu-kassovitz-hopes-to-return-with-a-season-6-so-do-we/
I was one of them. I would love to see Malotru.
It was probably done because they have great chemistry, which makes sense given the majority of women in Fassbender's dating history have been woc. Unless you think he was dating them to shove diversity down your throat too?
shareHe might. Fassbender's smart like that.
shareSo he's a race-betraying Shit-driller.
shareFassbender does have a type - slinky, silky and caramel - white or black. Jodie is a very good actress with a physical presence, but I am not sure they have chemistry. But I am watching this series. It follows the original. I like it.
shareCool. It's on my to-watch list, so looking forward to getting to it.
shareI loved the original series and I'm British, so I should be the target audience for the remake, but the moment I saw that revolting face I vowed never to watch it.
share"Race-mixing?" This isn't the 1950s, grandpa.
shareYeah it's 2024 and were bringing the 50's back... The 1850's. Were going to repeal the 19th Amendment and put women back in the kitchen where they belong. And the blacks? It's back to the cotton field.
shareAnd the Asians and Hispanics go to internment camps, but what about the Indians? What do we do with them?
shareThe street shitters? It's back to India or an internment camp. Of course, they would have their own camp. I'm not so cruel as to subject the Asians and Hispanics to the stench of curry.
shareNot those Indians... the native Americans, I mean.
shareOh, my bad. They can stay on their reservations, just like they do now — but they better keep their mouths shut. I don't want to hear them complaining. They should be grateful that we didn't genocide them all.
shareHave you thought about applying for a job in the Trump administration?
shareNah, I'm more of Hitler administration type of guy. I would be the Minister of Propaganda in the Fourth Reich.
I would be responsible for creating memes of different races where we make them look like rats and vermin to turn the public against them.
will Logan show up?
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