Maybe this is a stupid question.
But what do you think would have happened next?
Would the retired ranger try to prove that Toby was a conspirator with his brother and try to bring Toby to jail?
I mean the ending dialogue of the movie is not quite clear.
The retired ranger says that Toby "has to live with it for the rest of his life".
Do you think he means that he will not try to bring Toby in?
The Ranger asked Toby to take his shirt off and thereby reopening old wounds!
It's that man again!!
I do think that they continue the conversation back at Tobys house.
I don't know from there maybe marcus talks Toby into giving himself up, appeasing to Tobys conscious. Toby may not have physically killed anyone but he set the motions that lead to four people being killed. That's gotta play on tobys mind that he was the cause of that.
Maybe they shoot it out (most likely not but still)
Maybe marcus sets Toby up to confess without knowing to the rangers
Maybe they continue this conversation every week or monthly as they gain an understanding.
"Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions"
So Toby did not shoot the guard or the customer with the gun in the bank? I was not sure. Guess he was telling what he thought was the truth when he said he never killed anyone?
I would say my memory is not what it used to be. But I don't remember what my memory used to be.
I do think that they continue the conversation back at Tobys house.
I don't know from there maybe marcus talks Toby into giving himself up, appeasing to Tobys conscious. Toby may not have physically killed anyone but he set the motions that lead to four people being killed. That's gotta play on tobys mind that he was the cause of that.
Maybe they shoot it out (most likely not but still)
Maybe marcus sets Toby up to confess without knowing to the rangers
Maybe they continue this conversation every week or monthly as they gain an understanding.
"Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions"
I think Marcus hears Toby's story and moves on with his life. I think as a retired Ranger, Marcus needs the story to be finished and know why his friend died and know that he was right all along the story. Toby just needs to get it off his chest and really doesn't care if he's shot, or busted as the farm is in the trust and it can't be sold and his family is set for a long time
shareThat's the thing, the movie ended quite ambiguously, we don't know what would've happened afterwards, we can only speculate...unless they make a sequel.
shareDid anyone think the fact they were both dressed identically in the last scene ( dark green shirt, beige trousers) had significance? I can't imagine wardrobe did it unintentionally, but can't work out if it means anything?
sharethe ranger won't do a thing. He wanted closure and he got it. He also seems to understand Toby's motives (although he obviously doesn't approve of his actions).
shareI'm with you and feel like nothing happened, Both will live a lonely hell.
shareIt will be a stalemate. Toby is not going to do anything to endanger the future he has planned for his sons. After renovating on the house he planned to return later in the evenings to help at least one of his sons with his homework.
Toby seems determined that they succeed and break the cycle of poverty his parents and grandparents endured.
Many young people get away by joining the military after high school. A recruiter told me the best place the navy recruited from was the interior of the US. And that some wanted as close to home as they could get while others wanted as far away as possible.
I don't know everything. Neither does anyone else
Great comment chicago85, you nailed it!
shareYeah, I think the ranger got his closure, he really wanted to understand why Toby did what he did, the gun was just for his protection, I don't think he intended to shoot Toby unless he had to. But the ranger did plant a seed inside Toby's head to fester at his conscience, the ranger pointed out that the reason his brother and the others died was because of Toby.
Ouch.
He didn't need to tell Toby that, Toby's already living with that ghost. His brother died because of "what he set in motion" after all. Like someone said on this board - one day when Toby's sons are grown up, Toby walks off into the sunset and shoots himself.
shareNah, Toby saw himself as innocent, he said he never killed anyone, the ranger corrected him.
shareI don't think toby thinks he is innocent at all he knows he committed a serious crime, he knows people died because of it. I think the only thing keeping him going is his kids. Remember tanner telling him "unless you want to be a blackmark on your boy's."
His oldest knows what he did, he would have to since toby told him "your gonna hear some stuff about me and your uncle, don't be like us" it's only a matter of whether or not he rats his dad out.
"Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions"
Hamilton came to Toby's wife's place for the singular purpose of KILLING HIM right then and there on that front porch.
Look at all the foreshadowing:
Marcus (Hamilton) says to Alberto in the pickup right before they turned around and headed to Vernon.
Hamilton -- "Who know? Maybe one of these bank robbers is gonna want a gunfight, and I could dodge my retirement in a blaze of glory?"
Alberto -- "Well...I've seen you shoot...won't be much glory in it."
Hamilton -- (laughs) "Well I'm lucky I've got a halfbreed by my side to avenge me."
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And there are more examples
And the scene that precedes Hamilton showing up a Toby's wife's place. He's seated on the couch in his living room with his pistol. The director purposely included this scene to leave no doubt that Hamilton would be armed when he shows up at Toby's--otherwise what's the point of that particular scene?
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Alberto and Hamilton's conversation in front of the motel is a revelation as well. There's far to much dialogue for me to post it all, but check out the scene and it becomes rather clear.
Part of it (paraphrased) includes Alberto saying he hopes he's "lucky enough to make it to the end" (re: Hamilton's retirement)
and Hamilton says something like, (paraphrased) "Don't worry, you won't cone close to any danger without me by your side."
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If Hamilton had intended to bring Toby to justice, even though he was newly retired, surely he could've convinced some of his ranger friends to accompany him after explaining the situation.
But he went there alone...and armed, and seeking to avenge his partner. And he wasn't particularly concerned with surviving the shootout.
Had Toby's ex and the family not shown up when they did, a gun fight probably would've broke out.
Check out my thread about the faceoff on the front porch. You might find it interesting.
"Stick with me, baby, and you'll be fartin' thru silk."
Yes - I took it to mean that he wasn't going to take Toby up on his challenge. Toby living with it would be enough. I figured he came to Toby for answers more than anything else.
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