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sorry but "you just didn't get it" and "its a metaphor" is not an excuse for poor story telling


And the narrative "she just figured it out" plot deus ex machine. what lazy filmmaking.

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Yeap

Knowing a language cannot make our puny brains be able to see the future

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we just didn't get it.. the film wasn't about language. it was about time and how we experience it... even though literally half the film was about figuring out their language and communication... we are too dumb and should stick with transformers instead

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This but unironically.

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IKR

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True, but the movie is science fiction.

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its some of Denis best work how is lazy shes a linguist with a degree and its sci-fi

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[its lazy because half the movie builds up to her solving it. only to give a montage saying "she's so much smarter than everyone she solved it". its lazy filmmaking

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ITS HUMOROUS THE WAY THE DUMB DUMBS FIGHT AGAINST THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY JUST DIDNT GET IT BECAUSE THEY WERENT SMART ENOUGH.

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its poor film making. a cop-out and lazy. rather than actually giving a logical explanation of her solving it they went with a voice over montage saying "she's so smart. smarter then the rest of us. she figured it out"

what poor lazy filmmaking

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I WOULD PROBABLY GET ANGRY AND CALL IT POOR FILMMAKING TOO IF EVERYTHING FLEW SO FAR OVER MY HEAD.

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nice rebuttal. oh wait you couldn't lol. Oh and the caps def makes you appear stable lol. I just won by default lol

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YOURE COUNTING WINS ON MOVIECHAT?...YIKES...IM SORRY KIDDO,IS YOUR MOTHER HOME?

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Newsflash: you didn't win, kid.

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Best movie ever. Stick to Transformers!

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hahah you are a loser

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Lolz. Dennis easily beat the original with this one, visuals are stunnig, Rian Gosling is great and Harrison Ford gave obe of his better performances of his recent films. You loose. Stick to poer rangers!

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this is a thread about Arrival. not bladerunner 2049 you retard. LOL

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denis is going to top lynchs awful adaptation of Dune as well

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Lulz! Dennis outshines Michael Bay AND Ridlay Scott! I am so proud of the worldwide hate, so proud!!!!!

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yes he is a billion Tims better than Michael bay and I prefer him over Ridley. doesn't mean I don't live in reality and can't call out faults.

lol do you still think we are talking about bladerunner? that was sooo emabrassing

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Lolwut? Of course Blade! Arrival was a shitshow of a movie, horrible, pretentious.
my bad.

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agreed one of the best SciFi-Fi Movies ever Denis is an Auteur

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Well, there were a lot of montages showing them making slow progress, figuring out what the tails, loops, and whorls of the aliens' language meant.

At first they knew nothing.

Then she introduced writing.

Then touch/introduction.

Montage of the teams working (you don't want to see every tiny advance, do you...?)

And the next encounters they're able to send some signs back and forth in an unsophisticated manner.

Then the military dudes force her to ask THE question. She gets a vague answer.

All the time the language is re-wiring her brain (which they introduced earlier, slowly, in phases, and with Ian asking about the way language affects perspective and the mind).

They see the big chart. KA-BOOM! They study the chart for awhile (montage)

Renner makes that big piece of progress that starts to work out the geometry of the patterns.

She goes into the pod and has a tete-a-tete with the heptopods. She can clearly read the language (has been able to for awhile), just not at a complex level. The face-to-face meeting pushes her over the edge. All the jigsaw puzzle pieces start falling into place and her brain is near-completely rewired.

So, she didn't "just figure it out". She wasn't just smarter than everybody else, there were multiple, global teams, slow progress, and a build-up of themes (communication, perception, time, inevitability, cooperation, etc.) throughout the film.

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Never mind, he'll never understand the movie.

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I always figure it's worth a shot.

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Yes, you never know.

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Sometimes I wind up with a really interesting conversation by just trying to talk to somebody on these boards in good faith, somebody who is arguing with everybody else who came in hot. It doesn't always work; there are always trolls or other kinds of bad-faith actors, but sometimes it does. I've also had really nice, "Agree to disagree" moments where we at least wind up understanding each other.

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And even if there's an "agree to disagree" conclusion, a differing opinion expressed in good faith may still give us something new to consider about a film, something we might not have thought about before. And that can't be bad.

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Yes. A new facet to a film is (almost) always appreciated and interesting to contemplate. There are several theories I like, even if I don't think they're canon or that they "work" (Ferris is Cameron's fictitious creation, for instance).

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Agree with you 100%, king

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