The plan to ERASE the Sequel Trilogy - Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (2019) Discussion

[–] Threadkiller (3080) 4 years ago

1. That's a total non argument. Way too much beloved lore & world building over the past 20 years to discard.
2. Nostalgia & the Star Wars brand is what carried the financial success of the ST with drastically diminishing returns and with the non existent world building & lack of iconic new characters, they left absolutely nothing worth building on. Probably best to quit while they're ahead.
3. That's the one thing that is plausible. Kennedy would certainly be against dumping the ST but at this point I doubt she'd be interested in anything beyond her Mary Sue self insert protagonist.
4. if by "SJW" you mean feminists they're not nearly large enough in number to incentive Di$ney to bend over backwards for them in the face of steadliy diminishing returns. Kennedy was only able to get away with this in the ST because everyone knew it would be a success regardless of quality or feminist ideology.

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[–] bozo_500 (13130) 4 years ago

LOL LOVE IT
https://cosmicbook.news/disney-resetting-star-wars-erasing-last-jedi

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[–] mikethemartian (6750) 4 years ago

I guarantee whatever they decide they will make it into even a bigger mess.

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[–] PrimeMinisterX (8720) 4 years ago

1. The few fans of this trilogy will say, why not get rid of the Prequels as well?

No reason to get rid of the prequels. They are a much better series of films than the ST.

Revenge of the Sith is better than TFA, TLJ and TROS combined.

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[–] DarthRoger (867) 4 years ago

Kennedy is out in 2021 and she's been relegated to only one Star Wars project, that all-female show supposedly to be penned by Hedland. The Mandalorian, the next Clone Wars project and other drawing board concepts are currently being overseen by Jon Favreau. He's working with Filoni and Lucas to make Star Wars as big as the MCU.
Disney likely won't erase the Sequel Trilogy but going forward will pretend as if those movies never existed, making the next generation of Star Wars stories start from Return Of The Jedi.

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[–] [deleted] 4 years ago

Kennedy is out in 2021 and she's been relegated to only one Star Wars project, that all-female show supposedly to be penned by Hedland. The Mandalorian, the next Clone Wars project and other drawing board concepts are currently being overseen by Jon Favreau. He's working with Filoni and Lucas to make Star Wars as big as the MCU.
Disney likely won't erase the Sequel Trilogy but going forward will pretend as if those movies never existed, making the next generation of Star Wars stories start from Return Of The Jedi.

Source?

Oh, and I wouldn't trust Filoni either, he was sucking up to SJWs and feminists, so he's just as bad as Kennedy.

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[–] DarthRoger (867) 4 years ago

My sources are from youtube - Midnight's Edge, The Quartering, Clownfish T.V. and Mike Zeroh. They have some excellent videos where they discuss the latest word. So far, they're all saying it's just rumor but the youtuber who initially broke the story - Doomcock of Overlord DVD - has been spot on in the past when he's shared things from the rumor mill.

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[–] triplea (3577) 4 years ago

This is exactly what many expected, many films surrounded by a central sequence of films that ties it all together ala the MCU.

There is no such thing as Star Wars fatigue.

I'd still be watching the sequels in theatres of they were any good.

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[–] DarthRoger (867) 4 years ago

I grew up seeing the Star Wars OT in movie theaters. New Hope and Empire are still some of the best Sci-Fi movies ever made and Return was at least entertaining, albeit a lesser exciting movie than the first two. The prequels were hit-and-miss but the Mandalorian is great. If Disney keeps putting out content like Mandalorian, they'll win the fans back.

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[–] triplea (3577) 4 years ago

The problem isn't that they made money, it's that the brand is clearly on the decline due to them losing 100% of the OG fans and being vocal about this being their exact strategy; successive iterations are becoming less and less profitable (some even did lose money).

Parks are not working, toys aren't selling, movies are not getting multiple views and there is no hype.

They have just realised that Kathleen Kennedy's divisive politics have slit the throat of the golden goose and it's almost bled out.

Time to do something before it's dead.

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[–] arflexit (2376) 4 years ago

Actually if you really break down the numbers only TFA made them real good money. With everything declining since then (as you point out) the profitabiliy is in the tank. Each ST film should have been able to pull in close to 2 Billion; then Disney would be happy. TROS literally saw it's profitability cut in literal half since TFA and that is even with 5 years of inflation.

The toys and Merchandise sales are so bad the manufacturers are refusing to produce and trying to dump the licensing. Go to any store today and see how much Star Wars merchandise is available; it is not the same as it was 10 years ago.

It is quite amazing how poorly Kennedy and Iger mishandled this franchise; Star Wars was one of the strongest IP on the planet, even with the poor quality of the prequels didn't put a single dent in the merchandising sales everything Lucasfilm related was going up right until 2017 then it tanked.

It might be dead already. I am pretty much done with it; I come here to grieve and complain a bit about how it was killed. Not even the good praise Mandalorian is getting will get me back. If the rumors are true and they try to world between worlds away the ST I still will likely be checked out. TFA just killed all love I have for Star Wars. For me now it is just enjoying the OT with my kids and nothing more.

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[–] bozo_500 (13130) 4 years ago

Reading comments like that and others in this thread its pretty obvious and depressing what's happened. I mean we live in an age where sequels are supposed to do more..ALOT more each entry or at least similar (Marvel/DC, TF, Pirates, Potter, LOTR) . and yet as you say TROS did HALF of TFA! (and TROS was supposed to be the culmination of the entire saga!) that is like back in the 60s/70s when sequels were sort of frowned upon and thought of as just a cash grab and might do half of the blockbuster original if it was lucky (see Planet of the Apes, Halloweens, Jaws etc)..

of course some of those other franchises I mentioned have had the same fate (DC/JL, TF, Potter/FB) but y'know this is frickin Star Wars!

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[–] arflexit (2376) 4 years ago

Yes exactly; the people that defend the disney era star wars have got to have their heads in the sand. TROS was supposed to be the culmination of a 9 film saga of arguably the strongest IP since the 1970's. IT should have easily passed Endgame number but instead it couldn't even match Last Jedi numbers. I mean that is just impressively bad decline of brand selling power.

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[–] bozo_500 (13130) 4 years ago

Pre ROS there was some genuine concern from anyone versed in movies/box office that it might not even break 1b (due to the now obvious controversy/disaster of the woke TLJ and the resulting bombing of Solo). It did. Just. Which for the finale to the 'Skywalker saga' is dire. realistically TROS should've excited everyone from diehard fans since 77 to see it about 5 times, causals to check out twice, and even ppl who no like SW or not been to a cinema in decades to check out to see what the fuss was about (like happened with Titanic, Avatar, TFA and Endgame)

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[–] arflexit (2376) 4 years ago

Exactly the so called "finale" in the Skywalker saga should have easily put up near Endgame type numbers. The fact that it didn't even make 1/3 of what endgame did is a direct result of the diminishing value of the brand according to the fans. People that think Star Wars is doing 'well' for disney are either oblivious to the facts and numbers or outright delusional.

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[–] bozo_500 (13130) 4 years ago

Yes, its actually similar to recent sequels that have sort of bombed due to making little more than half of the previous entry due to that one being actively disliked by the general audience and reviews for current one similar (Alien Covenant, TF Last Knight, Justice League, Fantastic Beasts 2, XM Dark Phoenix, Dark Fate etc ).. I know the middle chapter of all the SW trilogys had a notable decline in box office (so TLJ was never expected to do as much as TFA) but the 3rd concluding chapter previously got close to the original but TROS did not. At all. and for the conclusion of the entire saga to do 'just' a billion and be just another in a sea of billion grosses that year (and less than Spiderman, Cap Marvel, Joker) is pretty shameful

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[–] arflexit (2376) 4 years ago

Yes, the fact that Rise of Sky walker did less than Captain Marvel (generally a relatively unknown Marvel hero that also got really bad marketing due to the divisive nature of the star's interviews) has got to be setting red flags off all over Lucas Film. There is no reason the 'finale' chapter of Star Wars should see this small of a box office take.

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[–] triplea (3577) 4 years ago

Like I said with TFA back in the day - The only thing that's impressive about it is the incredible focus it must have taken to produce something so deliberately terrible - it surely must have been a well coordinated and planned effort.

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[–] arflexit (2376) 4 years ago

I don't think it was intentional; I think there was noone with a creative vision so there were dozens of independent players that were all trying to cram in their own ideas and agendas. The Force Awakens felt like a movie who's plot and characters were decided on in a board meeting and then details filled in through collaboration meetings. No one actually had a story to tell or characters they actually cared about; it shows in the product.

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[–] triplea (3577) 4 years ago

Yeah I was being a bit facetious - 100% TFA was board room written as everything in the film (aside from KK's fem 'the real chosen one' insert) was basically "Identify the top 5 items that you associate with the Star Wars brand(TM)" focus group data review.

"Don't care how you do it, just tape it all together. THEY'LL EAT IT UP!"

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[–] arflexit (2376) 4 years ago

Yes; I am not 100% sure that Rey was the result of KK's fantesy insert. I actually think that Rey being a Mary Sue (overpowered, annoyingly good at everything) character is actually a result of JJ's self insert; KK only ensured the 'new' Luke was a female. of course I could be wrong about how much of Rey's character (or lack of I should say) was KK's influence.

But as of the rest; yeah, I felt like a board meeting in which a bunch of top executives and shareholders (that didn't give 2 craps about star wars) listed out things that they thought would make sure it sold well. and then your quote:

""Don't care how you do it, just tape it all together. THEY'LL EAT IT UP!""

is exactly what happened. They gave the rest to a talent-less hack that can recreate visuals but they screwed up because all he did was 'tape it all together' with open ended unanswerable mystery boxes that fall apart under even the slightest scrutiny and resulted in a trilogy that was a disaster.

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[–] DarthRoger (867) 4 years ago

And don't forget how bad Solo bombed. It was the first SW movie to not make a profile. What did they expect with a pan-sexual Lando and an SJW droid!
If you had told me years ago that Star Wars would end up as a failed franchise, I would have laughed. I'm not laughing now. It makes me mad. Instead of the writers, producers and even some actors calling out lifelong fans and disparaging them as "misogynists" or "man babies" or worse, they might have listened and learned something. Too late now for some of those fans as they aren't coming back.
If the MCU isn't careful, they will suffer the same fate. Nobody I know gives a rats ass about stupid characters like Squirrel Girl or Ms. Marvel.

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[–] triplea (3577) 4 years ago

It's all part of the current mentality - "I'm never at fault for anything, it's you!" etc.

If I don't like something then yes that is on me, and I have every right to - but don't then DEMAND my hard earned $$$ to thrown your way lest you call me some meaningless insult or accuse me of a hate crime if I don't.

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[–] arflexit (2376) 4 years ago

I like how they think they can say whatever they want and bash their paying audience and so arrogant to think the audience will still show up and pay to see their shit. Well they are starting to see it now.

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[–] DarthRoger (867) 4 years ago

Indeed. I hear the new Disney CEO, Bob Chapek wants to get the movies away from wokeness and SJW influences. He's smart. He understands math when looking at the receipts! :)

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[–] arflexit (2376) 4 years ago

I think he is a fall guy; Iger is still in charge and Chapek may want to make moves but he was conveniently put into place just as disney was starting a to see financial backlash and at the same time Covid-19 hit the globe (inevitably causing a disaster for theaters and movie production). Disney is going to loss so much money on this deal and Iger conveniently stepped back for it all to happen. The guy is brilliant as a megalomaniac business man.

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[–] arflexit (2376) 4 years ago

Yeah there is a new trend in hollywood it seems; don't listen to the fans and criticism instead label and mock them and try to use other ad hominems to go after the critic and not listen to the criticism. Most people are guilty of doing this in some shape; but it seems for certain franchises that got so big they appeared too big to fail; the studios and actors got arrogant and started saying what they actually thought instead of saving face for marketing. And these are the results; some call it "get woke, go broke" I think it is more "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".

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[–] Martoto (5042) 4 years ago

At this rate folk will soon start believing its already happened. It's only a half a step up on the tragically deluded scale.

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[–] ProgsReturn (2090) 4 years ago

i couldn't care less if the Disney trilogy got shitcanned. But they'll never get any of the original cast back for another movie.

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