Toxic fans


"I Called Out Toxic Star Wars Fandom. Then They Proved My Point."

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a25617513/toxic-star-wars-fans/

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"Phases of an SJW Takeover"

1. SJW CRITICISM – A popular IP is criticized by SJWs for being racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, and a smattering of other things. This will often manifest in media articles and academic papers which push this false narrative. This phase can take place over the course of years, or even decades.

2. IP IS ABOUT TO UNDERGO REBOOT – or reimagining, or remake, or whatever term is fashionable at the time. The rebooted production will tout “firsts,” first female, first person of color, first LGBTQ+, etc., even if the IP has already had them before. They do this to contrast their new version as far more virtuous and progressive than the previous version, which they spent years or decades labeling as racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, etc.

3. THE BARNACLING – SJWs barnacle themselves to the IP within the production, and start transforming the IP from its original form. SJWs sometimes refer to this strategy as entryism. Production staff make claims that long time customers will stay with the IP no matter what the changes are. SJWs outside of the production barnacle themselves to the customer base, and start lecturing long time customers. Shill media SJWs write articles pontificating about how diversity is good business and touting diversity “firsts,” without regard to the fact that the IP may have already been diverse for years or decades.

4. CUSTOMER CRITICISM – Long time customers of the IP voice legitimate criticism of the new direction.

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5. SJW RESPONSE TO CUSTOMER CRITICISM – A large customer backlash is created when SJWs both inside of the production, and outside of it in the customer base and shill media, falsely accuse critics of being racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, etc., usually to protect a criticized political message being pushed by the newly transformed IP that the customer base is criticizing. SJWs will also attempt to stigmatize use of the term “SJW” as a pejorative, so that you’re unable to identify the problem and articulate points. SJWs will completely ignore female, people of color, and LGBTQ+ critics, and/or marginalize their voices.

6. DISMISSING AND IGNORING THE BACKLASH – Shill media publishes pieces declaring that the backlash doesn’t exist. Shill media also publishes pieces instructing others to ignore the “tiny vocal minority,” some of whom used to be the old “gatekeepers” of the community.

7. SUPPRESSING THE BACKLASH – Blogs, internet forums, social media, and other websites delete or otherwise “redact” critical comments and posts in discussion forums under the aegis of “hate speech,” and may even engage in the complete banning of accounts. Some websites remove their comments sections altogether.

8. BACKLASH INTENSIFIES – As an inevitable side effect of suppression the Streisand Effect takes hold, as customers seek out other venues to express their criticism, and some publish their own, growing the backlash exponentially.

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9. HATE HOAXES, FALSE FLAGS & CLONED ACCOUNTS – The rank and file SJW activists in the customer base get heavily involved in shouting down critics, and creating hate hoaxes and false flags in an effort to discredit those critics. Such efforts are also intended to be picked up by shill media outlets, which will then report on them to further mischaracterize the critical customers. SJWs will create cloned social media and discussion forum accounts that mimic known critical voices, in an attempt to discredit them and/or divert payments/donations for products or causes away from the critical customer. SJWs will often operate hidden forums where these tactics are organized.

10. ESCALATION OF ATTACKS – SJWs will report posts as spam or a violation of rules, and attempt to get social media accounts suspended, and posts deleted. SJWs will start to send out false press releases to rival websites in an effort to discredit their critical competitors. SJWs will begin to search through public records such as child support or foreclosures in an effort to embarrass loud voices, a practice known as doxing. SJWs will send out phishing attempts in an effort to gain personal information. SJWs may attempt to contact the workplaces of loud voices, in an attempt to punish critical customers financially for speaking out. SJWs may attack normal people with physical violence.

11. IP FAILURES – The IP starts to falter as customers start to drift away and sales begin to plummet. This is either due to a drop in quality of the IP, or the poor treatment of the customers, or a combination of both.

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12. THE DAMSEL IN DISTRESS – A female member of the production (it could also be a member of the LGBTQ+ community) is granted victim status over a fishy event in order to deflect from the failures of the IP, and shame critical customers into silence. The damsel in distress is used as a political pawn both by the SJWs inside the IP, and the SJWs outside of the IP in the customer base and shill media. If the first Damsel In Distress doesn’t quite work, another one will come.

13. DESPERATE PLEAS FOR COMMUNITY MANAGEMENT – “White Knights” in the shill media call for creative authorities to smack down the backlash, and restore control of the narrative in response to The Damsel In Distress event. Shill media publishes multiple articles with the same talking points and catchphrases such as “toxic fan base” or “bad faith” in an effort to mischaracterize the customer base. Major news outlets report on the story, and quote those “think” pieces as authoritative.

14. ANSWERING THE CALL – Celebrity and creative cast & crew SJWs inside of the IP answer the shill media’s call, and make public statements admonishing critical customers, typically over false accusations. Critical customers will respond to the admonishments, and SJWs will call that response “abuse” and/or “harassment,” sometimes alluding to the notion that “creatives” deserve special consideration. Remember, what SJWs call “abuse” and/or “harassment” when customers do it, they call “activism” when they do it.

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15. THE FINAL PUSH – Shill media entities, and rank and file SJWs tell long time customers to go find something else if they don’t like it anymore, in a last ditch effort to push critics out of the “community” once and for all. “Don’t like it, don’t buy it.” They will also engage in Gaslighting, a method of psychologically manipulating an adversary into thinking that they’re crazy. This will oftentimes come in the form of the SJW saying that their brand of politics has always been in the IP from the very beginning.
16. IP BLEEDING – The IP starts to hemorrhage money, as long time customers begin to abandon the IP in droves.
17. CUSTOMER BASE OBLITERATION – The customer base is utterly destroyed, leaving behind only the small handful of SJWs who don’t make any purchases.
18. THE END – The new incarnation of the IP comes to an end. Since the majority of the customer base has abandoned it, there’s no more controversy or discussion about it. It’s over. The best case scenario is that the original IP is largely forgotten with the exception of a few die-hards who still carry the torch. The worst case scenario is that the new incarnation of the IP overwrites the original, and the original IP is forgotten altogether and overshadowed by the new incarnation in all future shill media mentions.

19. MIGRATION – The SJW is primarily interested in popular IPs that have a large audience, which can serve as a vehicle to spread their political message as widely as possible. Therefore, the remaining SJWs jump ship from the decimated IP, to devour a new IP that is popular and undergoing a transitional phase that they can barnacle themselves to through entryism.

20. REBIRTH – The process begins again, in the newly targeted IP. If normal creators have jumped ship from the targeted IP and start fresh in their own endeavors, SJWs will chase them down on the internet and in real life, to endlessly harass them in an effort to destroy their ability to make that new effort a success.

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Some interesting observations;but I don't think you appreciate enough that there are many 'average' fans that are just okay with just about anything Star Wars related. And that the harshes critics and most zealous defenders are in a vast minority. The minority alone is not enough to make these phases happen. Why it happens is more because the average fan base is unmotivated and just allows the "SJW" agenda to take place, which is why the producers go along with it. They think a vast majority of the crowd will just go along with it, and they will for a while. And the producers typically have sympathy or outright support for more progressive causes; the SJW crowd I would say is the zealous almost militant branch of those progressive ideology; so they go along with it. First this alienates many of the original and more conservative traditionalist fans who may or may not be outspoken. The outspoken ones then but heads with the SJW branch forcing the producers to take a side. Either side they take they loss the other; and many of the original fans end up turning away in disgust at the conflict.

So in this who is more to blame, the motivated players (critics and defenders) or the complacent fan base that allows the IP to get caught up in the culture wars? If we really wanted this to stop what would need to happen is the second any modern political messaging shows up in films marketing (i.e. "The force is female") the average fans should opt immediately to not see it. This would derail the SJW agenda at stage 3 of your analysis.

The reason it can get all the way to stage 18 "The End" is because all the along the way average fans are still paying to see it, thus making the producers money all the way until it stage 16. So I think it is more complacency that kills the IP not just the SJW agenda.

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Small minority? Not sure about that.

Box office for TFP: 936 mils in US. TLJ: 620 mils in the US. Han Solo: 213 mils - Basically a flop. Will see how much IX will make in few weeks.

But let's face it, the main problem is NOT the SJW agenda but the quality of writing. Ok, the point can be made that in order to conform to SJW agenda the quality of writing has to go down a notch so still the SJW agenda is to blame ...

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True, time will tell how the general audience will respond. But based on the response to the show The Mandaloriane it looks like the general audience will be very quick to forgive the brand even with stuff being just okay. So all they have to do is churn out a 'non-sjw' influenced (or just badly writing) story everyone once in a while and they series will carry on.

I don't know for sure either if there is specifically an SJW agenda from the writers' perspective; but I do think fear of backlash from some of the activist groups out there can definitely influence what decisions are made in a corporate office.

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Well, i enjoyed The Mandalorian (a "bit" predictable but that's to be expected when you do a western spaghetti in space) but TRoS will be the first star wars i'm NOT buying tickets for - that says nothing for what other people will do so will see :)

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I watched the Mandalorian kind of in the background at a party. It wasn't too bad from what I have seen but it was pretty average and boring at times. But overall I liked it. The thing is the general fanbase is praising it like crazy, like it is the best thing since the OT (it actually might be). But the problem is they are comparing it with the (saying it nicely) far below average product that has been coming out for the last 20 years.

We will see how successful TRoS will be and maybe discuss if the good graces of the Mandolarian show added to the success (if it is successful).

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Mark,

Just so I'm clear, cuz I'm too lazy to read the article:

Toxic Fans = The Fan Demographic that Spent the Largest Amount of Money Financing the Franchise Over 4 Decades

Is that what the article was saying?

Bold business move on Rian's part insulting the customer, I'm curious how it all works-out.

By the way, congrats on letting everyone know you were right . . . you'd make a great woman.

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"The Fan Demographic that Spent the Largest Amount of Money Financing the Franchise Over 4 Decades"
Probably yes - them be the people shitting all over every new film , but they still buy the tickets.

Bold business move on Rian's part insulting the customer
yeah , but they still buy the tickets.

"congrats on letting everyone know you were right"
That quoute was the author of the article

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From what I understand, they're not buying tickets in near the numbers anticipated, and more importantly . . . they're not buying the merch.

My apologies for thinking the quote was your words.

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Not liking the film doesn't make you a "toxic fan", it makes you a fan who didn't like the movie.

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When not liking a film makes you 'toxic' ... I had to laugh.

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Some of these filmmakers know when the customers, that is especially the fan base (the most inclined towards love/hate attachments), who are not meant to watch it let alone enjoy it turn out to be toxic, by the law of attraction healthy people don't attract experiences they would hate, however it is unwise to say it to them directly unless they're ready to change based on it by seeing that what they hate in those films is the hidden side of them they can't face within themselves, nontheless each film is meant to attract viewers the film is intended for, including sequels. I applaud musicians who dare to alienate old fans in order to create something for new fans, new generations, and I always applaud filmmakers who are re-writing history or destroy what was established, there's no other way how to start anew and educate children of new generations with new principles and conceptions of history, past can be changed only from the present, however as the saying goes the mind of a woke man can seem like madness to those deep in a sleep, it is wise not to preach and just share your worldviews in your art silently. In my view, critisizing to express our complaints instead of intending it to help someone else may not make anyone truly awaken or woke anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbrr61ezP3g

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It's what they do best.

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