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The haters have to at least admit that the scene with Yoda and Luke was very good.

posted 6 years ago by hitfan (219)
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And I love Yoda's aphorism:

"Pass on what you have learned. Strength, mastery, hmm… but weakness, folly, failure also. Yes: failure, most of all. The greatest teacher, failure is. Luke, we are what they grow beyond. That is the true burden of all masters."

It's kind of like that scene in Rocky V (another franchise movie that is quite hated by the fans of the series) where Mickey appears in a flashback and imparts words of wisdom and comfort from beyond the grave to a downtrodden Rocky.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Star wars was over with Return of the Jedi. All you're watching is a manipulation of nostalgia. Let it go.

[–] Frogarama (12942) 6 years ago

"The Star Wars" in 1977 was manipulation of nostalgia. Literally.

[–] MisterE (733) 6 years ago

Yoda looked totally baked in that scene.

[–] Recognizer (386) 6 years ago

Be that as it may, one good scene doesn't make a good movie.

[–] Kalyber (61) 6 years ago

Only because it reflected the OT much. It's a scene looks and feels fine because we see Yoda and Luke, with Yoda's theme and whatnot. But it has no weight at all. It's a nostalgia candy.
Anyway, at first Yoda looked pretty much weird. Kinda comical i guess. So couldn't done him right as well. Also he acts like he did when he played weirdo just to trick Luke back in TESB. And it makes no sense other than another nostalgia factor.
And to top it all, as a force ghost he controls lightning. And it's another huge question mark, cause if a force ghost had such power, then him or Obi Wan, Anakin, anybody else could have easily gone fight against the first order or any dark force.
And don't even mention the burning down of old Jedi relics. It's only because of Ruin J's obsession of erasing the past. But it doesn't make much sense regarding the lore.

So as much as i wanted to love the movie and that particular scene. I have to say it's just another huge FAIL.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

CRAZY random yoda like when he originally met him that can now summon the force from beyond the grave?

That was stupid and just another way tlj broke the lore.

[–] TexasJack (12516) 6 years ago

It felt like a parody to me.

[–] presldentackbar (164) 6 years ago

You spelled "pile of shit" wrong.

[–] TandyMan (11180) 6 years ago

Seriously. It was embarrassing.

[–] Hans-Wilhelm (1365) 6 years ago

Everything except Yoda actually using power (destroying the tree) on the physical world as a force ghost.

[–] TandyMan (11180) 6 years ago

That was a god awful thing to introduce into cannon. A voice beyond the grave spiritually guiding you is already a stretch. But straight up manipulating the world? He may as well have bent over and shot lasers out his ass. Why don't force ghosts just run around blowing up sith spaceships? We haven't seen the end of that nonsense, believe you me. That crap is gonna ruin a lot of Star Wars movies to come.

[–] Hans-Wilhelm (1365) 6 years ago

Yes, Disney has been very, very irresponsible with the planning and handling of Star Wars. Just this disjointed reality of letting each separate director write the plot and go in any direction they want and each separate director just goes off the rails from the previous director without having a general framework for the 3 films before even starting is laughable and at novice levels.

[–] Alex (1504) 6 years ago

I bet Luke is gonna do a lot more bullshit last minute saves as a Force Ghost in Rise of Skywalker compared to what he did in TLJ.

[–] Ace_Spade (9601) 6 years ago

That line is a good line, but it's weird that Yoda seemed like he was on a sugar high, pretending to be kooky Yoda again? Why? And then the fact that he can summon lightning as a Force ghost? Much like the hyperspeed kamikaze attack, it was an amazing moment and a great visual, but it raises so many questions about everything else in Star Wars.

There's a lot of good moments in The Last Jedi - some neat wisdom from Luke during two training scenes, Luke and R2, Luke and... ah...most of them are just what Hamill did as Luke - but they last for so little time and as often as not they create more problems than they solve.

I'm not a hater (I don't just knee-jerk dislike everything about the whole movie), but I don't like the film, and I don't have to admit that another bad-mediocre scene is very good.