Jesus christ that was brutal. I watched it a couple days ago and I'm still thinking about it. I love violent movies and gore never bothers me but man that scene was so impactful. Sign of a good movie imo.
shareWould have been more realistic if he had struggled. If that were me, those guys would have lost teeth among other things.
shareVery good point
shareYea he just kind of sat there. I think he was pretty broken by that point and outnumbered though.
The realism came from that fact that the whole execution was shot without cuts and with practical effects. The camera didn't even budge and we were forced to watch 20 seconds of uninterrupted gruesomeness.
Anyways...crazy scene to spice up a movie.
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Which can also be extremely effective if done correctly.
I can only imagine how people would respond to a scene like this 40-50 years ago.
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That has nothing to do with showing brutality on screen.
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Well if we're talking about 70s exploitation flicks, i think it would've been a hit. I mean, look at some of the movies Sam Peckinpah put out
shareYea he just kind of sat there. I think he was pretty broken by that point and outnumbered though.Broken is the key. They'd already killed David Arquette (presumably the same way), which means Nick knew what was coming, and he had no reason to fight. He spent all of his strength briefing Hunt on what was going on before they killed him.
Yes. Like you, I can state exactly how I would react to any kind of situation occurring days into being in the captivity of cave dwelling cannibals.
shareWould have been more realistic if he had struggled
I agree. Samantha mentioned to the sense that he wasn't going to make it and was very wounded. He drug him out of the cell so what gives people the idea he could physically fight?
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Probably, but the woman did mention that he was in bad condition. He was barely moving when they joined him in captivity. Perhaps he didnt have the strength at that point.
What a lovely way to burn...
Shows that you're ignorant.
I know a little bit about what it's like to be tortured to death by jihadists. And you don't struggle. You've learned by that point not to *beep* with them.
But you'll never understand. And that's a luxury for you. And you'll never even regard it as a luxury. But people... who shouldn't have had to learn.... learned that it is.
He seemed weak and malnourished. I've seen videos of beheading (I strongly recommend never viewing them) and often them men in those do not struggle much. Some are clearly drugged, but others are clearly in a mental state where fighting back is not really possible. Physically a few seemed like they were doing mostly okay, but there comes a point I think, under a situation like this, where the imagination and the reality divide and a man will simply endure the awful.
shareever wondered why the prisoners didn't fight the wards on their way to the showers or to the trains in WW2? There you have it. It's called SHOCK.
shareTwo Trogs were holding his arms behind him.
shareYou got that right. The Trogledytes were pretty horrific Indians, but when you reflect at how gruesome the Europeans were to the native people of the Americas, this was a bit of Karma, no doubt! However, seeing that dude scalped, split in half and his bowels fall out had to be the most gruesome, gory murder scene ever! And HOW did they pull it off? It was SO realistic. Congrats to the SPFX team - GREAT WORK!
And Kurt is really soaring with these Westerns - I quite enjoyed him in Quentin's "Hateful Eight", and now this. Been a Kurt Russell fan since "The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes".
The pace was a bit slow at times, and should have been a bit shorter, as it didn't add to the tension. I really liked the 'Back-up Deputy' as well, and Brooder - great film!!
I concur. I bet Tom Savini really enjoys that scene
shareI can laugh at most gore in movies, but that whole scene made me nauseous.
A great movie, but i'll never watch it again.
Me too. I actually watched Bone Tomahawk tonight, then came to the boards, and someone mentioned The Green Inferno, an Eli Roth film that I hadn't heard of. I watched it right after BT, and caught myself chuckling throughout much of it. The gore was so outlandish compared to the reality of BT.
shareI think the brutality of it was part of the theme of arrogant stupidity the movie deals with. Samantha gives them a lecture on it when she finds out they let her husband come out in his condition and that 2 old guys and a gunslinger had come out so unprepared to attempt a rescue they were warned they couldn't do. The native expert said as much, but rather than work up a solid safer plan they barged on out.
So they get captured with in minutes of arriving and it suddenly turns into something miles worse than they could imagine. No gentlemanly talking their way out of it, no overpowering with strength, and one of them gets butchered for meat right in front of them.
It was mostly pure dumb luck that any of them survived.
Excellent point. I really liked the build up to that scene. When they finally get to the cave i was thinking "ok *beep* about to go down" and then it surpassed my expectations with the shear brutality of the troglodytes. The movie went from 0-100 real *beep* quick.
shareThe acting was top notch to convey it too. Them cowering in horror in the cell at the tusk guys call. Terrifying. And they knew they were out of their league then, and Sh!t had just got very real, and so did the audience, which is why it works as a horror. Their situation was terrifying, not in a Friday the 13th cheesy predicable way but in a serious, "we believe these characters cos they're so well written and now they're in genuine pant sh!tting trouble" way.
shareYes sir you're exactly right. I put this movie in the category of "we're not friends if you don't like this movie" haha
shareId say the acting was for everyone but the woman. I mean she was totally flat, no emotion. She was captured and watched two men get slaughtered and eaten, she doesn't even ask about her husband till much much later then she attacks them for coming to save her, getting killed and mamed in the process. Is she at all surprised her husband came to rescue her? How could any of them know what they were walking into? I just hate how movies always make women so insufferable and easy to hate.
shareI got the feeling she saw some really off the wall shxt for the majority of her stay with the troglodytes. So by the time we catch up her she was pretty Desensitized To all that violence
shareExactly. She saw David Arquettes character butchered in front of her and God only knows what they did to her. She would have been traumatized. People in shock often have no affect and seem dull.
shareYou're also ignoring the fact that she was the "doctor" of the town. Of the ones left (Brooder was already dead), she was the only with even a half-scientific mind. Smarter people are more logical, and could prioritize things properly. It's also why she didn't want her husband wasting his time trying to save her. Sure it's romantic to have her husband die with her, but it's not logical...
I personally took her as the only smart one left...
(Hunt and Chicory were just the stereotypical law enforcement duo. Hunt had balls but no brain, and Chicory was almost a Barney Fife. Even Hunt was telling him to shut up.)
Smart one indeed. Who couldn't do jack... but wait for the "idiot" calvary to pull her outta the fire.
shareThe ONLY reason she was in this mess to begin with is because she is the town "doctor"...
taking care of a town full of "idiots".
It's the "idiot calvary" that got her in the fire to begin with.
Sometimes the only smart move is... no move at all.
FWIW - she survived. Doesn't appear to me the others captured along with her could do "jack" either, since they died?
Unlike Hunt/Chicory, at least her husband was bright enough to figure out how to use their own calls against them, and "call" them out of hiding?
Yeah, Hunt/Chicory went in with no plan/intel, nothing. Stupid.
It's also why she didn't want her husband wasting his time trying to save her.You are missing the point. It has nothing to do with "logic". She was just angry that her husband is getting himself killed. After many days of inprisonment and witnessing cannibalism, she realized what they are up against - a conclusion that could only be made in hindsight.
Hunt and Chicory were just the stereotypical law enforcement duo. Hunt had balls but no brain, and Chicory was almost a Barney Fife.
All 4 of them knew what they are getting into, let the captives die or go on a mission into unknown territory against an unprecedented enemy force. There was no time to set up a great plan or wait for back-up; by that wifey got eaten.
He took my kidneys, Raylan, not my dick!
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I think the scalping in Lonesome dove was far worse
"Wait!" "Worry" "Who Cares?"
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Will check it out
shareWould you believe that there are people (me for example) who see your comment and think "oh this guy doesn't see much real gore"
shareMy friend ,who happens to be a lawyer, shows me autopsy photos occasionally. The last one was a guy with with skull cut open and face skin pulled back. They were trying to figure out the path of the bullet. It was pretty freaking cool. Still didn't make me cringe like this scalping scene.
shareYou need to check out Liveleak daily for a month. The scalping scene will quickly become nothing...
(like the lady that had her face ripped off in a car accident, and she was still trapped in the car, pulling at her ripped-off face, and eyeball that was dangling out of the socket...)
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