Basically perfect ending
The series itself is just pure gold from start to finish. Bittersweet rather sad ending that was very real and emotional. Completely satisfying.
shareThe series itself is just pure gold from start to finish. Bittersweet rather sad ending that was very real and emotional. Completely satisfying.
shareYes, at least Naz was freed, if only thanks to a mistrial. It was probably saddest for Box. Yes, security is a job, but getting that job just out of necessity almost seemed karmic to me. He captures Chandra kissing Naz and mails it out, he tells the defense attorneys nothing when he figures out the actual murderer....he was so sure at first that Naz was guilty. He could have been fired instead of retired. Smug dick.
shareGreat ending altough Chandra (?) smuggling drugs for him ruined it from being perfect. That and the fact that it was impossible to guess who was the killer because the clues were shown right before it was revealed
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It's a good thing for her that they didn't get that on film. But doesn't her "fall from grace" make you a little more sympathetic to Naz's situation?
shareThe series itself is just pure gold from start to finish. Bittersweet rather sad ending that was very real and emotional. Completely satisfying.
I agree! The cat walking across the room at the end was perfection. What a wonderful series. I would love to see a regular show with John Turturro's lawyer Stone. What a great portrayal of a naturally gifted, non-name-brand lawyer! A series like that could have the excellence of Columbo, without copying either that perfect old series or its perfect star, Peter Falk. Turturro is a different kind of talent but he is of the same caliber as Falk.
shareI agree, well thought out. I felt there was a theme of victims throughout, Andrea being murdered,naz for his choices that night, jack with his eczema, freddy for his life sentence, even dennis for retiring and the thought of golf! All the characters to some degree were flawed real people with a story to tell.
shareStill, there is virtue in its success of showing collateral damage of incarceration on one's psyche and soul. Though released by a hung jury, Naz will remain a thoroughly damaged person, for a long time. The scene toward the end where he lights up next to the waterway while reminiscing on his lost short-term romance is priceless, and alone was worth the price of admission for many of us.The scene with Naz by the bridge smoking heroin was heartbreaking on so many levels, of course, we will never know how Naz really felt about Andrea, he certainly didn't know her long enough to have truly deep feelings. IMHO, besides Naz altered state from the drugs and alcohol...he was basically mesmerized by the type of woman he thought Andrea was...a type he had possibly never encountered in his sheltered life.
Great post, Emo. Not only well thought out and said, I learned some new things about the actors.
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There were scenes of utter brilliance in TNO, scenes which wil stick with me for a long time. Scenes which are more about the acting than the actual writing. The cinematography was also haunting and evocative. I guess many have become jaded to TV series and films due to the vast amount of choices we now have...it's sensory overload.
Just watching Naz' transformation from naive college student from Jackson Heights, who was excited about attending a Manhattan party....to Rikers thug....was truly spellbinding.
As Naz in the prison scenes, Riz didn't have to say much at all...his eyes, facial expressions and bulked up body...all easily give away his emotions. Words were not necessary.
After reading many threads here, starting from the first episode...I'd noticed many complained about Naz "blank stare". He became a junkie while in Rikers, most junkies have a blank stare!
Some reviewers mentioned the series was also about "the eyes" of the characters....which on my second viewing I focused on this aspect. This is possibly another TNO theme which needs to be revisited by the complainers posting here: THE EYES: Naz' Bambi eyes which catch Stone's attention at the precinct....Duane's cold staring eyes as he glares at Andrea and Naz....Andrea's frightened eyes on the CCTV tape as we see her running away from someone... Halle's eyes change as he discovers that Box has pretty much figured out he killed Andrea....
In Rikers, as Naz slowly became someone else, physically as well as mentally...his eyes became dead. We weren't quite sure if the kernals of Prison Naz were already there, even his mom was not sure if she raised a monster. Naz become dead inside and his eyes showed it. How can you anyone watching the series, not comprehend how great the acting was?
How about the twinkle in Stone's eyes when he was able to wear those spiffy new oxford shoes...and the pain in Stone's eyes when his eczema came back.
The smirk and stare Naz gave to his Adderall buying school buddy during the trial, was chilling. Just one smirk/stare said it all. It was the same stare down he gave to the same friend when he was with Stone in the Jackson Heights cafe. The Eyes, yet again.
The first time Naz took that hit of smoked heroin...there was a strange brief euphoric smile, the fluttering of Naz' eyes....yet the hit was mixed with dismay....then there was a look of absolute surrender....ALL THAT in a matter of seconds....that was some truly amazing acting! That wordless scene was, once again...incrediblly heartbreaking. Thank You Box for not doing your job! Of course...had Box done his job, TNO would have been a Two Part series!
As Naz in the prison scenes, Riz did not have to say much at all...his eyes, facial expressions and bulked up body...all easily give away his emotions. Sometimes words are not necessary to get the point across, any fan of great acting should already know that.
Poorna Jagannathan, who portrayed Naz' mom.....had another heartbreaking wordless scene...when she was looking as those photos of baby and toddler Naz. Emotions conveyed without words...now that's what great acting is about.
In fact, most of the acting was been incredible throughout the entire series. Riz and John's acting complimented each other. Turturro and Ahmed truly deserve Emmys.
Yet we see many posters here complaining about the 'bad writing' and 'plot holes' There might actually be a lot of failed and jealous script writers posting here! Sure, getting a break in showbiz is about talent, but it's also about a lot of luck and connections.
Viewers might be complaining about some of the TNO writing...yet the acting has definitely transcended the script.
Acting is more than over-the-top histrionics, lots of over emoting and long drawn out crying jags. The more subtle the performance....the more powerful it can be for the viewer.
Perhaps the complainers here need to watch TNO again? Maybe, focus on the acting rather than any flaws in the script?
As for the huge abundance of trolls posting here...they are quite easy to ignore. After the first few posts...their agenda is crystal clear, they are easy to weed out. A troll's agenda should be apparent immediately. The Ignore option is available for that purpose. Use it.
Never allow trolls to stop you from voicing your opinion at ANY forum...trolls are sad, miserable and utterly pathetic, don't waste your time responding. Do not get roped in by their nonsense.
IMHO, besides Naz altered state from the drugs and alcohol...he was basically mesmerized by the type of woman he thought Andrea was...a type he had possibly never encountered in his sheltered life.
She was an embodiment of the idealized American dream for him. He tasted it, for an evening, with tragic results.Naz was certainly attracted to Andrea...she initiated their encounter, he didn't have to do too much..though, he could have told her to get out of the cab, he didn't. Andrea led him around like a puppy dog.
Though born in the US, he is still an outsider to the dominant culture around him, which is compounded by being Muslim. His nerd quotient is also high, and he wants to hang with the hipsters he seems to admire at the beginning of the story. It is doubtful he ever had an affluent girlfriend, if any girlfriend, though he probably had some prior experience with sex. Andrea literally walks into his life that night, a potential wonderful opportunity he was open and eager to experience. At the onset, he did not know she was drug addicted or unemployed or had a penchant for knives or danger; instead she represented something very desirable and normally unattainable to him from mainstream culture. She was beautiful, appeared successful, and very receptive to engaging with him. A dream come true in my book; an American dream.
Life is a state of mind.
Though born in the US, he is still an outsider to the dominant culture around him, which is compounded by being Muslim. His nerd quotient is also high, and he wants to hang with the hipsters he seems to admire at the beginning of the story. It is doubtful he ever had an affluent girlfriend, if any girlfriend, though he probably had some prior experience with sex. Andrea literally walks into his life that night, a potential wonderful opportunity he was open and eager to experience. At the onset, he did not know she was drug addicted or unemployed or had a penchant for knives or danger; instead she represented something very desirable and normally unattainable to him from mainstream culture. She was beautiful, appeared successful, and very receptive to engaging with him. A dream come true in my book; an American dream.There were many good points in your post...though IMHO, the problem with what most Americans deem to be today's 'American Dream'....seems more about a consumerism culture and the desire to 'upgrade' whatever we seem to have....which also includes human beings. Which is a very sad state of affairs when you think about how this applies to human interactions. No wonder so many people have difficulties in their relationships...they are always looking to upgrade in their relationships.
It certainly wasn't perfect, Chandra's behaviour in the final episode was ridiculous. And surely we should have been shown what really happened that night? I feel cheated.
shareIt certainly wasn't perfect, Chandra's behaviour in the final episode was ridiculous. And surely we should have been shown what really happened that night? I feel cheated.
Chandra had just broken up with her boyfriend...Chandra was not a seasoned lawyer etc
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The kiss made sense, but smuggling drugs in her privates felt significantly out of character and was a plot weakness. Her decision to put Naz on the stand -- strongly opposed by Stone -- was a marginal one and if she truly concluded Naz required that much outsider help in order to testify, she more likely would have reluctantly agreed with Stone and left it alone. Her smuggling was not even necessary, because it was only the kiss on tape that Freddie had forwarded. Nonetheless, this series more than delivered great performances from its three leads, which easily overshadows any writing flaws, IMO.
Life is a state of mind.
Loved the ending.
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