Batman comes off as a dangerous lunatic(spoilers)

Interesting take, can't say I disagree. I too found the bit where he took on the cops during the talkshow strange. He had already established they were doing surveillance, AND his helicopter was invisible...

Still an awesome movie though. I like that Batman is a bit of a nutter- a 'do as I say, not as I do' type.

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Well, when you put it THAT way you make him sound like a paranoid borderline schizo....which he is.

By any means necessary.

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In real life ANYONE who did what Batman does would be 100% certifiable.

"He has visions of a bat from the desire to be batman."

Well how else would you depict (visually) what goes on in his head? Such a person is driven to do what he does by inner obsessions/demons.

"he just grabs a random 10 year old and makes her robin."

Even Alfred calls him out on that. But she had already taken on her own the Robin role to be honest. It's not like he kidnapped some random girl and forced her into the role. He just took advantage of her after seeing she could handle herself.

"He also jumps off a building to beat up a bunch of cops for having the audacity to do their jobs."

Well to be honest violence comes with the job for a cop. So I have no sympathy for them (like having a boxer complain he gets beat up on the ring). Plus cops almost always are bullies who take advantage of poor people who cannot fight back either by violence of expensive lawyers.

"Then his hatred of "Clumsy loud" guns for his love of throwing oh so silent bombs around, shooting rockets at police cars and having a super high tech tank."

He's a control freak. Plus would you REALLY trust the mutant nutjobs with guns (what's to stop any of them of shooting Batman in the back)?

"To top it off he rides into town on a horse beats up a bunch of civs who were defending themselves and arrest them."

When martial law is in place, riot police and national guard dudes always take down a good chunk of innocent people along with the bad guys. It's pretty much unavoidable.

Don't take it the wrong way. I agree with all your points. But they're not 100% black & white points.

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First off he is actually insane. He has visions of a bat from the desire to be batman.

Well that's batman...

Secondly, he just grabs a random 10 year old and makes her robin. He knows absolutely nothing about this girl, but he goes ahead and rips her from her life to get shot at by cops and shoot superman with a damn tank.Good thing she just stumbled upon him and just happen to have dead beat parents right.

I totally agree with that one, both Alfred and Selena say it as well... I didn't see how she was going to survive against the Joker's goons but somehow she got lucky... same with the cops and superman...

He also jumps off a building to beat up a bunch of cops for having the audacity to do their jobs. Maybe the joker wouldn't have gotten away if you didn't hospitalize 27 cops you god damn psychopath. Why didn't you put your old lady get up on and sneak in?

I felt the same, it was totally unecessary.
Though I do not expect that the cops would have caught the joker, if they did there would be no need for a Batman in Gotham...

Then his hatred of "Clumsy loud" guns for his love of throwing oh so silent bombs around, shooting rockets at police cars and having a super high tech tank. Yes, those are what champions use! Everyone should just become a billionaire high tech super genius ninja instead of using guns to protect oneself.

Batman does not use guns. The rest hmmm... oh well...

To top it off he rides into town on a horse beats up a bunch of civs who were defending themselves and arrest them. No wonder supes was called to stop him.

They were not innocents, they just robbed a store and were ready to fight the mutants. In this case, both groups are probably equally bad.

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He should come off as a lunatic. He is a lunatic. A very very high functioning lunatic. If you stop looking at him as a hero and start looking at him as a person with PTSD who's handled his mental illness in the worse way imaginable, you see what he is. When he calms down Carrie when she almost falls to her death, he goes "Good soldier". He's made a made crime a war and everyday is a battlefield. If he wasn't REALLY good at this, he'd be a nightmare. That's why the Joker LOVES him. He just wants him to admit they're the same.

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That's the point. That's why Frank portrayed him that way, to illustrate the inherent psychosis in the original concept behind the character.

But, like Lana Lang said, if the choice is between letting these criminals run wild, and setting this criminal against them, I say more power to the Batman.

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Pride is not the opposite of shame, but its source. True humility is the antidote to shame.

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There was a speech Gordon made during this movie about Roosevelt/pearl harbour... And compared it to his situation with batman...
And it is a very good speech... Especially when later commissioner Yindel realises "he's too big"...
Possibly depicting batman as a necessary evil

There's also Dr Wolpers psychobabble about how batman is a menace to society and how he shocks the "membrane" (which is the psyche of the youngsters of Gotham) and influencing them to his cause... It sounded like crap... but made perfect sense... He was a menace... The things he did were rebellious... He admits to Clark "we are criminals"... He's portrayed as a revolutionary... Who are often seen as terrorists/outlaws/criminals

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