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The message of this movie.


Besides the fact that 'falsely accusing someone of a terrible deed' is wrong, what would you say is the message(s) of this movie?

Others being vigilante justice is not a good idea.

Other(s)?

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The message of this movie is that all parents who say "I will always trust my child no matter what he/she says" can go *beep* themselves.

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Did anyone also perhaps think that, as terrible as the actual examples of such child abuse really are, we as ordinary individuals shouldn't quickly make judgments until the whole truth is revealed, not least because, even in these cases where the real truth is often hard to prove, and the reality states that in the majority of actual cases real offenders often get away with it both with law and from any kind of justifiable revenge, there's still some or other kind of possibility that the accused is innocent and we may end up, due to some or other kind of misunderstanding, unfairly hurting the wrong man?

Even in some or other cases when abuse actually HAS happened, but let's say the victim in some or other way has misidentified their perpetrator, and that it is someone else who is ACTUALLY guilty, is it better for professional legal system to investigate and punish the person responsibl rather than society and vigilantes?

Movies like this really does may want to make people further think. No they don't say or change and SHOULDN'T do so about ACTUAL cases of guilty child molesters as such. But they do sometimes make people lean less towards even justifiable hate speech and more towards intelligent thinking.

You realize sometimes that, besides the world not being perfect, and even the film states - its full of evil.

But sometimes, fears, prejudices, mistakes and misunderstandings MAY happen and under some circumstances, lead to harsh consequences for the WRONG people, and at times, just because one is totally innocent it doesn't mean they have nothing to worry about.

Hell, I think that murder, besides being illegal, is terrible and wrong of course, and should be punished no doubt.

But there have been a lot of cases where people were falsely accused of murder and wrongly punished. It doesn't make me think that ACTUAL guilty murderers should get scot free.

Perhaps in cases of child abuse as such as this it doesn't happen as often, but there have been some or other examples out there if you look - but of course it doesn't even remotely mean actual offenders as such don't exist or even should get away either.

The greatest trick the Devil has ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist!

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It's been a while since I've seen it, but it was very much about half truths/lies spreading and the mob mentality that takes over in the wake of fear/misinformation. Even when the girl tried to convey that it was a lie she was told that she just didn't remember because the parents had already made up their mind..even with no facts to further their claim.

This makes me think of what the media does to people on a daily basis...and of course many fall for it.

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Is the media in itself ALWAYS wrong though, and how do we know it?

The greatest trick the Devil has ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist!

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True - but also, based on what I wrote above, do you think this movie was trying to say something along those lines as well, perhaps?

The greatest trick the Devil has ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist!

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I think there is also a message about alienation in this movie. Adults being afraid to be affectionate/friendly with other people's children for fear of being accused of something like this. Lucas' ex-wife also tried to alienate Lucas from his son by keeping them apart. Lucas' alienation from society over rumor and allegation. Lucas and Nadja being alienated because they couldn't resolve the accusation. Lucas alienated from his best friend over the accusation.

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In that case homercles11, one could almost see parallels between Lucas' character and Robert De Niro's Travis Bickle from Martin Scorsese's "Taxi Driver" (1976) as that man was ESPECIALLY lonely and alienated, but not over false accusations or rumours or anything of that sort - except he really did violently explode at the end though.

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Most importantly - do people ACTUALLY think that this film is some kind of pedophile apology or that it severely undermines ACTUAL cases of child abuse as such or do you think that there's more to it and that dealing with a man falsely accused of something like this is, at least in theory, not really all that much different from having a film dealing with someone wrongly accused of murder, terrible as child abuse as such is and possibly worse and more complex a matter, but murder is at least almost as bad as far as murdering innocents is concerned.

Even IF some people MAY take it as such, given such various complexities around the actual issue that say unlike murder it is far more difficult to prove etc.

Thing is - not that I disagree with them of course - but I do know that yes indeed this type of child sexual abuse issue is indeed very serious and yes there are major problems with law system, societal stances, it being difficult to prove etc etc etc that, with all of that in mind, it can be hard to accept that a man maybe wrongly accused of being a perpetrator here.

But then again, on its own or with the whole matter, I have actually heard that SOME of those cases - where man were wrongly accused of being child molesters and had to suffer consequences as a result, either by getting jailed or in trouble with people around them or in some cases even killed (the few documented cases of early 00s in Britain) actually HAVE happened - and besides, although our world IS cruel, it is also far from perfect and very flawed and as far as justice is concerned, do you agree that mistakes, misunderstandings and often unfair in such cases actings on emotion may ALSO happen and cause the wrong people to suffer by simply being easy targets and at the wrong place at the wrong time. (One of those cases in Britain by the way involved a man who lived in the same house that a known guilty pedophile offender used to live in, another ridiculous case had a misunderstanding of the word "PEDIATRICIAN" etc.)
And yes I have also heard of the 80s MacManus case and some Bjorn one from early 90s that people over here have mentioned.

Of course we do know that with ACTUAL child molesters, there is a bigger problem. And I don't even think this film attempts to deny it even once. (Keep in mind that The Hunt's director Thomas Vinterberg's previos 1998 Dogme-95-manifesto effort "Festen" ("The Celebration") was indeed about the horrors of actual, and in that case also incestuous, child sexual abuse - and it sure wasn't undermining that aspect there at all.)

But does that mean that it is highly unethical then if we make a movie about a man falsely accused of being the guilty party of such deed and that it makes it an apology for actual deed? When, for instance, if we make films where people are falsely accused of committing murder (some of which maybe child murder and some of which may have ALSO been committed with elements of sexual abuse to it) and had to suffer some or other consequences as a result of it, we are not in any case trivializing either the destructive NATURE of the crime of murder or the sad fact that yes, on our planet, there are also people who DO in fact get away with murder.

The greatest trick the Devil has ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist!

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How their 'hunt' for you is never over after being exonerated from a crime you didn't commit. Still, a year after you see those judgemental looks from people, and he himself was still on guard, never at ease. How quickly everyone you know turns against you...

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True Shade, but what did you think of what I wrote, and asked, above?

The greatest trick the Devil has ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist!

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