Patsy scene most f'd up I've ever seen in film
My God. When Platt is forced to whip Patsy...Makes me ill
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You'd think it couldn't get worse. Well, it can. If you're interested, watch "the Passion of the Christ".
That being said - Patsy's whipping was a gutwrenching scene and awfully hard to watch.
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I didn't like the Godfather, so what?
I immediately thought of that scene in Passion of the Christ but I watched that when I was 12 the first time. I rewatched the scene on youtube about a year or two ago and was able to get through it. I think the way they showed the carnage on their backs was worse in 12 years a slave than in Passion of the Christ. Maybe the fact that Patsy was a small, frail woman made it worse in my mind but it definitely looked worse to me. As far as reality goes though, I would think the Jesus' back looked FAR worse since they weren't using whips on his back. *shudder*
shareit's not just the whipping, it's the obligation to whip her when he wouldn't do it if he wasn't obliged. Platt is being tortured as well.
shareThe whole movie is horrific. Not a movie I will ever see twice. I wonder about the idea that this sort of story can be considered 'entertainment'. Not saying the movie shouldn't have been made, but it is an indictment on contemporary society when people can't be pointed to a book instead.
I wonder what sort of barbarian needs to be shown people being whipped and raped and degraded in order to understand it.
The type of barbarian that lives in denial. Who needs to believe such things are now very ancient history, and that we have somehow magically sped up the evolutionary process. To the point where we as a species have apparently now collectively evolved beyond such sociopathy in just the last 150 years. And last but not least, the type of barbarian that needs to believe that "it wasn't all that bad". Because of an involuntary, internal need to defend so-called "whiteness" from "historical exaggerations". Because their fundamental identity is so intertwined in their fundamental "whiteness".
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America has an almost endless and hideously violent racial history. And along with it, a very long and sordid history of using carefully chosen cinematic imagery to water down the magnitude of that hideous racial history. For both socio-economic and political purposes. So historically, NOT showing such things has been a premeditated act of protecting, enabling and perpetuating the very systems that committed such acts in the first place. So therefore, continuing to dishonestly portray such events in the name of "geteelness" is, in fact, a subtle, yet frightening act of tacit collaboration with the perpetrators of such atrocities. It's a subtle, yet hideously evil lie. Like the random and scientifically BS creation of the concept of "whiteness" itself, 360 years ago.
No man lies so boldly as the man who is indignant.
wonder about the idea that this sort of story can be considered 'entertainment'.
It's enternainment to anyone how likes well made historical films.
Or just well made films with some good acting. share
Who ever said this movie is supposed to be entertainment? There are a plethora of reasons to make a film, entertainment only being one.
shareWhen he does it or when Epps does it afterwards and you just see her flesh ripping apart?
Kinda served her right in a way too, acting all uppity and thinking she had her feet firmly under the table just because he had the hots for her
Kinda served her right in a way too, acting all uppity and thinking she had her feet firmly under the table just because he had the hots for her
Are you blaming the victim? This is nonsense. No way she deserved any of the horrible beating and torture that she suffered. She was an innocent victim.
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She made a request to be killed. If that's your definition of "uppity," you have problems.
shareStupid azz.
shareHello there, Edwin Epps' reincarnation! Pissed you cannot legally have slaves these days?
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Patsy's scene was definitely sad and added some shock value but the scene I actually thought was the saddest was when Solomon had to deliver the letter that Mrs. Epps gave him to the white men in the forest and he had to see the black men about to be lynched and there was nothing he could do to save them. That scene broke my heart. Sad that kind of stuff actually happened.
That makes you sad? Thousands of black men murder thousands of other black men in Chicago. Aren't you thousands of times sadder about that?
shareNice false equivilancy. First off what about what she was saying had in anyway to do with modern crime.
Secondly, one doesn't negate the other. People can care about modern crime and toll violence takes AND be moved by a scene of useless cruelty and loss of life. It's not like beliving in one means you don't or can't care about the other.
- Currently watch classic Cinema like Gods of Egypt
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Yeah that scene was a bit rough, but his Master Epps felt that Solomon needed some discipline for his obstanancy. Being that this is loosly based on a true story, I try to look at through the lense of that time period. By all accounts Solomon was not a very good slave, he lacked the humility and conditioned respect for authority that was found in more refined slaves. I mean he was almost hung by one of his previous master's men for showing those same defects earlier in the film.
As for patsy herself, I felt she carried off the part of desirable sexpot with aplomb. The was certainly an erotic tension in most of her scenes across from Master Epps. Despite his some unfortunate bevahour towards property he did show a deep and abiding love for them.
He was torn up when he found that Solomon had decieved him/
- Currently watch classic Cinema like Gods of Egypt
There's an awful scene in "The Stoning of Soraya M." It rivaled this, maybe even surpassed it.
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