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Weird feeling at the climax scene


Hi guys,

I had a very weird feeling at the scene, where Robot tells Frank about his next job:

"After you wipe my memory things can go back to normal and you can continue planning your next job."

- What did you say? - Frank

"Remember Frank, your next job."

"You deal in diamonds and jewels, the most value by the ounce."

"It's not too late, Frank. Don't give up."

"Lifting that high-end stuff, no one gets hurt."

"Except those insurance company crooks."

- There is a hidden a message in this scene, help me guys to grab it and define it.

My first feeling was that there is someone else, who is steering this robot and wants the jewels. But it's not that. It's like he is talking with himself. Robot said impossible things, that could never be said by a robot.

Another thing is I think he didn't want to wipe the robot's memory, because of his own problems with memory.

In any case, this film is amazing. I didn't even imagine, that Susan character was who she was.

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I thought that this was a case of the robot coercing Frank to erase his memory. Kind of like when he and Frank were hiking and the robot said "what about me Frank if I fail". Robot revealed later to Frank that he basically manipulated him to get him to do what the robot wanted. I think that is what happens here.
I do find it ironic that both the robot and Frank will manipulate those around them, though Frank's motives are purely selfish, and the robot's are only to help Frank.

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I thought the exact same thing. He was quoting Frank's earlier lines in the library almost word for word.

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I think it was more about Frank finally realizing something about himself, how obsessed he had been with doing these burglaries all his life and that he actually even made this robot, which was sent to care for him, help him commit these crimes. I think he felt bad. The reason why he didn't want to erase Robot's memory wasn't because he would need to teach it all those things again, he didn't want to erase Robot's memory because it had become a friend.

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Good incite. ::Thumbs up::

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He come to the realization that family is worth it. He also has to wipe out his friends memory.


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Right--from a creative standpoint, it was like the robot was throwing all that selfishness back in his face. It's like hearing your child tell you, "Wow, what a great criminal you made me into!"

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The best explanation for OP's question. Great one.

We have dragons.

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It's a film about memory, and Frank doesn't want to be remembered solely for being a burglar - he wants to be remembered as a father. So he turns off the robot (which can ONLY remember, not imagine the future) and turns to his family. Broadly, I think the film is saying that technology can help us along the way, but it is human beings who are there at the beginning and the end.

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I like what you've said here. It was very insightful.

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The Robot obviously imagines the future when it urges Frank to erase its memory. Do "this" now otherwise "that" happens in the future.

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Rooee, that's exactly what I thought! Well put!

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When Frank entered the enursing home he saw two other identocal robots following patients around. I wondered if he would get another one or just let it go.

Kind of reminded me of Blade Runner near the end when Rutger Hauer? is dying on the rooftop after saving Harrison Ford. Hauer and other robots had escaped to earth to find their inventor because they didn't want to die, especially as slaves. They had a termination date.

He starts telling Ford he has seen things Ford can never imagine "ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion" and Sun beams off another location. He said all these memories would die with him and be lost forever.

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Castanz, I think you mean 'good insight.'
'Incite' means to stir up or ecourage unlawful behavior.

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Hello,

I was also a bit confused about why this peculiar dialog leading Frank to change his mind.
Then I gave it some thoughts, and here what I concluded :
- for Frank, that Robot is like his son (a few times he's talking to it like it's Hunter)
- when Frank taught the Robot how to be a thief he said with what sounds to be some regrets that he never taught that to his son
- when the Robot said all that back to him, he understands that if it would have been really his son, then his son would have been like him : a thief, a criminal
- he didn't want things to be like that, so he accepted he should erase its memory

In the last scene, when talking about Princeton with his son, he says "My son did better than his old man" that shows he didn't want his son to be a thief and his pride of what he achieved.

Am I stretching things too much ? Or does it make sense, is it what the director intended to say ..? :-)

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I don't know about the director, but that makes sense to me :)

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Thank you manutoo. That was great. I can't believe how much I enjoyed this movie.

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I didn't even imagine, that Susan character was who she was


Yeah, that was a great twist.


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Well, I picked up on that as soon as she was introduced. Franks having alsheimers, asking for her number, him having been in the library many times (having read all of the books three times she jokes)... I dont think the twist was really meant for the audience, but for Frank really.

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As observed elsewhere, the Robot was quoting Frank word-for-word. He was trying to convince Frank that Robot was dangerous to Frank unless Frank rebooted Robot. Why? Because Robot had verbatim memory. Unless Frank had changed Robot so much (in RAM, not in ROM) that Robot could/would lie, then under interrogation or deposition Robot would reveal so much about Frank's ambitions and techniques and maybe even plans as a jewel thief that there would be no doubt that Frank had indeed stolen the asswipe neighbors' jewelry.

If there was a hidden message, it was that one of the lead astronauts in 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) was named "Frank." The onboard computer, HAL, talks to Frank and tries to convince Frank not to disable HAL. Further, there are times when the voice of Robot (voiced by Peter Sarsgaard) either accidentally or purposely sounds very much like HAL. Just not all the time, and just not completely. Which, for me, makes it more of an in-joke than a message; but that's just semantics.

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The astronaut who disables HAL in 2001 is Dave Bowman. But I agree Sarsgaard is very reminiscent of HAL.

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