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Did anyone NOT see it coming?


I really tried to enjoy this movie. Geoffrey rush is amazing, and the intial setup certainly was intriguing.

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- But if you don't realize that there's something not right with Billy, the mechanic, and Claire, regarding their relationships with him, you've probably never seen any other movies.

And when we first see his vault & it's contents, if you didn't immediately realize he was going to be robbed, then you've probably not watched much TV, either.

After the first 15 minutes, I found the rest of the movie tedious, just waiting to see if, maybe just maybe, something NOT completely expected would happen.


Alas ......

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I did see that possibility, but at that stage it was too early to determine if the story will actually go that way. There were so many possibilities in my head that I couldn't just pick one and assume that's how the movie will turn out.

At the end, when it happened as it did, I wasn't disappointed because I was amazed at how they execute the whole story. At every act, there's a bit of a twist and some mystery that keeps me wondering what actually will happen next.

I mean, we all had guessed the "What" of the story, but it's the "How" that makes the film amazing for me. Also, in most films involving con and robbery, we see the story progress from the conman's perspective, where they're the main character(s). This film offers something different. We see it from the victim's point of view. And unlike films such as Ocean Eleven, The Sting, Italian Job or Flawless, it's not about getting rich or winning, either. Which is a plus for me.

Another beautiful thing about the story is that even though Billy betrayed Virgil in such a cruel way, he actually gave him the one thing (one piece of art) that Virgil had never had. That is the experience of falling in love and being in a romantic relationship, fake as it might seem, with a beautiful woman. The feeling that none of the items in his collection could have given him. I guess if you've already decided to turn your attention away after only 15 minutes in, you wouldn't be able to appreciate this brilliant and possibly one of the most important bit of the movie.

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It's good that you could appreciate this movie.

The OP and many people here couldn't help but guess about what was going to happen in the story. They had an idea of how the story would unfold. When it did unfold the way they had thought it would, then they feel that they've already known about the twists.

The truth is, the writers could have decided that Virgil somehow knew about Billy's plot and had came up with a counter plan, OR that 'Claire' changed her mind because she actually fell in love with Virgil, and there will still be some people who post here saying that they knew it was going to happen that way.

Anyway, I was just trying to make a point that even though many people were coincidentally successful in guessing the plot, it doesn't mean that the film isn't that great. In fact, it seems that the filmmakers didn't even bother that much to 'surprise' the audience. They instead focused more on showing the whole psychological roller coaster experience through the eyes of a loner like Virgil. His character alone is interesting enough to make me engage in the film throughout. Then we have the pieces of the puzzle that come together beautifully in the end.

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I think you make an excellent point. It's normal for anyone as they're watching a movie to be thinking of multiple possibilities as to how the story might turn out. Then when one of them does turn out to be the case, it's easy to say after the fact, "Oh yeah, I saw that coming from a mile away. So obvious."

I don't think because someone doesn't see the twists that others claim they found to be "predictable", that it makes that person less intelligent. I didn't see the full twist coming, and I think I'm a reasonably intelligent individual. But there' something to be said for engaging a movie on its own terms as you view it, not watching with an attitude of trying to outsmart it and play "Gotcha!"

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The truth is, the writers could have decided that Virgil somehow knew about Billy's plot and had came up with a counter plan, OR that 'Claire' changed her mind because she actually fell in love with Virgil, and there will still be some people who post here saying that they knew it was going to happen that way.
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LOL. It reminds me of a crazy guy who wrote a book, predicting every possible disaster in every possible corner of the world, and if one came true, shrieking in capital letters that he had foreseen it.

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I didn't see it coming.
I thought Claire was an automaton.

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Yes. I thought of this possibility, too. At first, I thought 'Claire' would never actually shows up and we'd only hear her voice over the phone or behind a closed room.

Even after she got out and they got engaged, I still thought there's a chance for this possibility to be true. Although, that would make the film really weird and resembles cheap sci-fi movies. A mysterious automaton made by someone from a century ago could walk and talk like a real person? I thought to myself, where are they going with this? Could they be trying to make a stupid copy of "AI" or "Robot & Frank"? I was pleasantly relieved that it wasn't the case.

Maybe I'm just too obsessive compulsive to assume anything to be true until I see the truth for myself or see enough evidence.

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Am I the only one who thought it was strange, that in the 21st century Vergil never even thought or running a background check, before he let a strange girl with no family or history, into his multimillion million dollar home, we know he was P*ssy Whip but his paintings was worth more to him than his money in the bank.

I don't know how this would work out in the UK, but here in the U.S you just cant sell, millions of dollars worth of art without a full background check, just to make sure that you, your parents or family really did purchase and have the history of receipts, to prove you or your family really own the items, before your sell them off to a public auction.


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This wasn't about money. For Claire and Robert, no doubt it was about money, but they didn't think it up.

Billy probably can sell some of the collection, to pay them off. After all this time on the shady side of the business, he'll know other collectors like Virgil, who don't care how they get a specific item, or whether or not anyone else realizes it's the real thing, as long as they get to have it. But the money was never the point, for him.

This movie is about revenge.

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I thought it was odd, too, that Virgil never checked out the family. Not for the reason you suggested, but because of Claire's erratic behavior. How many times did he imply or come right out and say he didn't trust her? Why would he trust the info Fred gave him rather than have an assistant check them out, see if they were legit. Virgil didn't get where he was by trusting people. A scammer is typically very paranoid that others are trying to do the same to him.

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I actually thought it was going to go more like 'The Sixth Sense'.

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I didn't see it coming.
I thought Claire was an automaton.
That thought ran through my mind a few times, too. I gave up on it when Claire came out of her room for the first time. Too perfect-looking.

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It's true, you really see it coming. I was surprised only by Billy, I thought it was only Claire and Robert, but it is a very well done film, enjoyable even if predictable.
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Yes , I saw it coming , but so what . I really love this movie and it's one of the best movie I saw sin "No Country for Old Men".


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You figured the film out? Really, you figured out that in the end Virgil would not be furious at having his precious collection stolen but rather (prior to losing his mind) uproot himself and go to a pub in Prague to wait endlessly, hopelessly for his love to return to him. Hoping that the one "truth" in this "forgery" was that the girl really loved him- you guessed that? The other thing- that caper thing- that's not what the film is about. (I guessed that in one of the opening scenes- did not affect my enjoyment of the film at all. Really well made.)

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I didn't see it coming because I wasn't going into it looking for a caper or a twist. I went into it and continued to watch it, rather, as a character study of "broken" people finding and clinging to each other.

The thought of the film, the story and characters turning into a simple scam/theft story was jolting and a bit disappointing.



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I did see a lot of it coming, but this didn't bother me because the execution was sublime. Damn near perfect, really.

The result of which was that I couldn't wait to see how it would happen, and was thoroughly captivated throughout. The ways that Virgil gets drawn in are nothing short of brilliant (what a lovingly planned con it was - Billy must have cared tremendously for Virgil, once, before he began hating him), and the characters are all fascinating in their own rights as well as in their interplay.

Also of course it looks so incredible. Gorgeous, gorgeous gorgeousness, every single shot. The story and its people would have hooked me anyway, so this was just a bonus for me, but what a bonus it was! This is a real feast for the eyes.

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because the execution was sublime. Damn near perfect, really.


This was me exactly! I knew it was coming but you are so completely drawn in by it all. And then after watching as I said in another thread the symbolism of it all is then completely fully realized, making me appreciate it even more. Very well done.

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Yes! It all comes together so beautifully, the metaphorical and the literal. And of course we did not know the exact specifics in advance, and some of those were extremely clever, as well.

The whole thing, really, a work of art itself.

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"Oh, dear. Mr. Dictionary seems to have deserted us again."

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