I think this is the best Batman film ever. Others are good but this is the best. It's the most well rounded from top to bottom. You can argue others do certain aspects better but as a whole I think this one did good at not falling into the other films weaknesses.
shareI really enjoyed the tone and style, but I didn't like it as much as a few others. IMO, it could have easily been 30 minutes shorter and I felt the villain's masterplan was quite anti-climatic. I put it at 4th overall.
shareI wouldn't even put this above Batman and Robin. Because at least Batman and Robin was entertaining. This was not. Also George Clooney's Batman was at least able to save the day by unfreezing the City and saving Alfred. Where this Batman couldn't stop some dork with a bunch of reddit followers from flooding the city. He didn't even catch the Riddler because the Riddler let himself get caught. This Batman is so incompetent he needs to start a Pile up on the Highway. Because he doesn't know Spanish. Yes the Character that suppose to travel the world to learn as much as he can. So he can train his mind and body to the peak of perfection doesn't know Spanish. Seriously Adam West Batman was a Better Detective. I feel like Nolan and Burton movies are better than this. And im not the biggest Burton Fan. Hell i think the Batman 66 and Batman TAS are better than this.
shareNah, I still think The Dark Knight and Batman Begins are way better films. I'd even take The Dark Knight Rises over it too. I put it equal with Batman Returns.
Best Batman performance for sure, I would have loved to see Robert Pattinson's Wayne/Batman in Nolan's films.
I love the Batman, especially it's first two acts as it feels like Fincher's Se7en but as a superhero film. Pattinson is awesome, not so crazy on Zoe Kravitz but Paul Dano was a interesting villain and Colin Farrel was great but underused imo. But it's third act totally derails it imo. And it's way too long, could have cut out 30 minutes of this film and it would have made it a stronger film.
The Dark Knight Rises is probably the worst Batman film. It's laughably bad at times, and overall a weak film. At least the earlier Batman films were intentionally campy.
The Dark Knight is great until the end, but it falls apart in its final act. People forget all of its weak moments due to how great its high points are. That doesn't make it a bad film. Howard Hawks said a great film is "three great scenes and no bad scenes," and The Dark Knight pretty much fits that bill, but it is far from perfect.
Batman Begins is like The Dark Knight Rises, only not as bad. It's a mostly forgettable film.
The Batman, on the other hand, is about as perfect a Batman film as can be constructed. It's best moments don't quite match the best moments of The Dark Knight, which is to say nothing in the film is on the level of Heath Ledger's performance, but taken as a whole, it's better. It's straight A's across the board, while the Dark Knight is mostly A's, one A+, and a B-/C+ or two. If you focus on the A+, The Dark Knight wins, but if you look at the total film, The Batman is significantly better.
Batman returns forgettable? Ha absolutely not! Pfeiffer's Catwoman is quite iconic and the musical score alone is iconic also. After all the animated series modeled and took lots from Batman Returns. I get not liking it but no absolutely not. The dark knight rises is flawed but the worst Batman film? Not by a long shot. I trust the reception of the majority over you. You have some bad takes on cinema dude.
shareYou misread my post. Batman Begins is a forgettable film.
shareAlso not true. It is responsible for the Batman renaissance after he had fallen into near obscurity after Batman and Robin. Tons of film makers in the industry cite it as having influence on blockbusters moving forward. It is the prime example of a reboot done correctly. Tell a new story with an established character. Don't recycle stuff done in the past. Telling a story out of order in a superhero film was different also. Iron man copied this blueprint with its first film. Told out of order, hero goes somewhere and is pronounced dead. Comes back with a new outlook on life and mentor turned villain. So no you are objectively wrong.
shareAgain you confuse objectivity with subjectivity. You're entitled to your own opinions, but be aware they are just that: opinions.
shareFilm makers admitting it has influence on their work isn't my opinion. It having influence on films isn't my opinion. Whether you think the film is good or not is based on opinion. You stating the film is forgettable is subjective. My statement about film makers admitting it's influence isn't my opinion. What do you have that isn't your opinion to justify your claim that it's forgettable?
shareNo rises is not better by any stretch. With laughably bad fight choreography and too much exposition. Begins and dark knight I get people preferring but I even think The Batman is better than Begins. Begins has again badly edited and shot fight scenes. Quick cut and Shakey cam galore. I love that movie but that's a blaring flaw. Rachael Dawes and the romance in Nolan films were always flat to me. Not awful but subpar. Kravitz Catwoman and Pattinson's Batman have far more chemistry than any romance in the Nolan trilogy. Too long maybe but it didn't bother me. The atmosphere is also stronger on the Batman also. Gotham is stylized and gothic which makes the character feel darker and more immersive.
share'The atmosphere is also stronger on the Batman also. Gotham is stylized and gothic which makes the character feel darker and more immersive.'
I see The Batman as a kinda spiritual successor to the Burton movies in that respect. They both generate a strong gothic, other-worldly vibe.
I agree with that. I honestly feel like the Batman feels like a nice middle ground between Burton and Nolan, and honestly a tiny drop of the animated series. Even a drop of the Schumacher era. Think the Gotham is gothic, Burton, it has a little neon Schumacher, red sky animated series, and it still feels grounded and real Nolan. I love Burton's Gotham but it does feel a bit like a stage at times. I feel it emulates a lot of the strengths of every vision while still feeling unique and that's hard to do.
share'the Batman feels like a nice middle ground between Burton and Nolan'
I definitely felt that at times (same with the Gotham TV show).
'I love Burton's Gotham but it does feel a bit like a stage at times.'
Yes, I didn't feel it so much with B89, but definitely with Returns (although that one is my favourite of the two!).
I actually prefer Returns over Batman 1989 also. To me Pattinson's Batman feels closest to the animated series. In terms of voice and vibe. Pattinson has a great batvoice.
shareWith Keaton's return in The Flash, Affleck's (brief, but probably his best) turn in the same movie, and a second Reeves/Pattinson movie to come, life is good for Batfans at the moment.
shareBatman fans are spoiled. Burton's Batman, the animated series/Arkham games, Nolan's Batman and now Reeves's Batman. All awesome and cool in their own ways.
share'But it's third act totally derails it imo. And it's way too long, could have cut out 30 minutes of this film and it would have made it a stronger film.'
When I watched The Batman for the second time, I watched it over two nights, pausing it at the exact half-way mark (where Batman and Gordon attend the old orphanage). That first half was perfect, didn't drag at all. The second half the following night was definitely where the problems were. So drawn out at times.