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so the riddler....

posted 3 years ago by [deleted]
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didn't know bruce wayne was batman?

[–] thingmakersback (1377) 3 years ago

Nope Watch the scene where Batman confronts him at Arkham and grows progressively certain that Riddler does know who he is and is addressing him as Bruce Wayne... And then the Riddler says, once more sounding like he is addressing Batman as Bruce Wayne - "Bruce Wayne..... He's the only one we didn't get." So Bat man thought his identity was exposed for a couple of minutes and then realized Riddler didn't know.

[–] [deleted] 3 years ago

i thought so. thanks

[–] jhodess (84) 3 years ago

He was obsessed to Batman and Bruce Wayne but weirdly he couldn't add two and two together despite the fact that he is, according to the movie, more brilliant than Sherlock Holmes in his detective skills.

[–] fc31 (5438) 3 years ago

He was a forensic accountant. His detective skills are mostly in accounting.

[–] jhodess (84) 3 years ago

So figuring out that Bruce Wayne is Batman according to his expenses would take a second in comparison to trace Falcone to a multitude of shady deals that happened 20 years ago.

[–] fc31 (5438) 3 years ago

That would need the accounting file of Wayne family.

The riddler found out what he found out because he had his hands on "The Renewal Project" file, most likely through his accounting firm. That does not mean he had access to the accounting information of Wayne family or Wayne enterprise, they probably used a different firm.

[–] Ace_Spade (9552) 3 years ago

Exactly.

I liked that they gave the Riddler some blind spots. He was a genius, but he wasn't *quite* as smart as he thought he was...

[–] fc31 (5438) 3 years ago

To me that is also one of the main bright spots of the film, an understandable, even relatable villain, not some super evil genius beyond comprehension.

[–] Ace_Spade (9552) 3 years ago

Yeah, it kinda sucks when villains seem to just win because they have a copy of the script. I know that it's always scripted (they're movies) but some movies make it easier to buy that these are people operating of their own volition, others can only protect their villains to the final act by giving them information they couldn't possibly have.

[–] actionkamen (23176) 3 years ago

But I guess the way The Riddler was able to set up the many many bombs needed to flood Gotham is in the realm of "because it's in the script."

[–] Ace_Spade (9552) 3 years ago

I buy the bomb-planting the same way I buy the bomb-planting in The Dark Knight. It doesn't seem impossible to me that somebody could hide bombs around a city. It helps that the script just indicates that there are bombs, but not how many or what kind or how much blasting power would be necessary to bring down the sea wall.

So, not to me, no.

The best examples of plot armour or this kind of thing that I've seen come from other places than The Batman. There's one in Breaking Bad, for instance, that bugs me a lot (partly because it's one of the only unjustified conveniences of plot that the show took). If you want, I can talk about it, but I don't want to spoil a BIG moment in Breaking Bad for yourself or others who haven't seen it yet.

[–] Darren (1344) 3 years ago

I actually find the idea of several vehicles parked around the city more plausible than dozens of 55 gallon fuel drums snuck aboard a couple of ferries without anyone noticing.

[–] Ace_Spade (9552) 3 years ago

A fair point. It would be harder to pull of Joker's scheme. I still buy both of them, within their respective films, and given the Joker's level of craftiness and Riddler's methodical planning, I can definitely believe that they could accomplish those goals.

Honestly, in The Dark Knight, one of the hardest pills I have to swallow is the school bus thing where somehow Joker pulls the bus out into a bus-sized gap in a bus column (how?) with bank debris on his roof (something no other bus has) and nobody notices/cares.