Why do you think she implanted a real memory into K's mind, given that she said it is illegal to do so? Is it just that the artist in her couldn't help but 'sign her work' with an authentic memory? Or was there another possible reason that I missed?
sharelike modern day filmmaking, it was there just because.
shareThe best lies have a hint of truth in them.
shareIt was explained clearly in the movie, it was implanted on several replicants to scramble the trace of the replicant's son (later revealed to be a daughter, the same dream maker) and to make all of the replicants think they were important, K was not the only replicant with the same dream, they might not have a way to check for every dream to see which were real or fabricated.
shareThe most confusing part of the plot imo.
I actually wasn't sure who was Deckard's child at the end, her or Gosling. But the explanations in this thread have helped.
I still don't understand fully how they even figured out she was the child.
Ana is a HOLOGRAM (like JOI).
That's why she's confined to the BUBBLE (the same way as SINATRA was in VEGAS when K plays the song that he sings).
In other words, she's a REPLICATION of the GIRL who DIED (the same way as ELVIS & MARILYN MONROE were also a REPLICATIONS of people who died).
ANA is the DECOY. Her job is to PROTECT K who's her TWIN BROTHER.
And we also know RACHEL had TWINS due to the MICRO FILM that K finds.
But the GIRL TWIN DIES, which also means K is the boy twin.
And if he hadn't killed the REPLICANT at the start of the story (before he could tell him about the MIRACLE that he'd witnessed when Rachel gave birth), then he'd probably also have known that and then we also wouldn't have had a story.
A boy and a girl.
It's impossible.
Why?
Two people can't have identical DNA.
One of these isn't real.
it's a copy.
They were both processed at
the Morrill Cole orphanage.
It says the girl died there.
Genetic disorder.
Galatians syndrome.
And the boy...
disappeares.
Where's the orphanage?
You wanna go for a ride?
Los Angeles Waste Processing
San Diego Ditrict
Well, here we are.
Buckle up.
Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/movie_script.php?movie=blade-runner-2049
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You're welcome. But also be aware that MOST PEOPLE don't agree with this interpretation & instead prefer to believe that ANA is REAL.
But since JOI is also a HOLOGRAM who seems to have EVOLVED BEYOND her programming, that may also mean ANA has also EVOLVED as well to the point where she could probably also use an EMITTER (like the one K buys for JOI) as a way to travel outside of her BUBBLE.
And I also SUSPECT that she was DOWNLOADING the MEMORIES of K as he lay there and dies OUTSIDE on the STEPS. That's why we see the SNOW FALLING when DECKER arrives inside (which is also what K sees when he dies).
And since she's also an EXPERT on HOW to IMPLANT MEMORIES, she could probably also RESURRECT K again & place ALL of his MEMORIES back into another IDENTICAL REPLICANT body. Because that's also what WALLACE did to RACHEL (just by using that one little bit of her memory that they had from the interview she'd had with Deckard back when Tyrell still ran the place).
And then ANA could probably also use K's MEMORIES of JOI to RESURRECT her again as well.
So both K & JOI could also be together again in the NEXT SEQUEL.
The ORIGINAL DIRECTOR from the ORIGINAL BR is also supposed to be making a BR TV SHOW for some streaming service or something.
But since he didn't create the JOI & K characters in BR 2049, they may also not be included in whatever that other story is about.
Awesome post, it kinda makes sense yeh.
However it seems like K/Joe is not aware of this, or maybe he just doesn't want to believe. He never tells Deckard of course that he is his son. Why?
He never tells him he's his SON because the REBEL LEADER probably LIES to K telling him that he's NOT DECKARD's son, & claims she was there when the child was born (which is probably a bunch of BS that she tells everyone as a way to get the other REPLICANTS to do what she wants).
She also tells K they all have the same FANTASY & wish to want to have been BORN. So K ends up believing her & that he's NOT Deckard's son.
Here's a link that talks about BR 2099 coming to AMAZON:
https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/amazon/161768-blade-runner-2099-here-s-what-we-know-so-far-about-the-blade-runner-tv-series
(Pocket-lint) - Blade Runner is coming to the small screen, thanks to Amazon and Ridley Scott.
A new TV series will be set 50 years after the movie sequel, Blade Runner 2049, and could even feature a return for Harrison Ford.
Here's everything you need to know about Blade Runner 2099 so far.
Blade Runner 2099 release date speculation
The Blade Runner TV series was first announced in late 2021 when Ridley Scott himself revealed a pilot had been written.
It was then confirmed further in February 2022, with reports that Scott is executive producing the project for Amazon Studios and that he could even direct some episodes.
Amazon has since announced that a full series has been greenlit to appear on Prime Video
Ah I see, so it is indeed ambiguous.
I guess time will only tell
If the REBEL LEADER cares about Rachel's child, then why would she place it into that orphanage where the kids were SLAVES who were FORCED to WORK to make money for that other man???
Nothing she says makes any sense.
Because ANA also says that her parents placed her into the BUBBLE.
A compromised immune system.
A life of freedom, so long
as it's behind glass.
Is that why you're not off-world?
Yes.
My parents had our passes
in-pocket, but I took sick.
So...
it was a new life for me.
Then, they put me in my cage
filled it with everything they
could, to keep me happy,
except company, of course.
And I was used to crowds.
Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/movie_script.php?movie=blade-runner-2049
If Rachel (who's supposed to be her mother) DIED in childbirth, then how can Ana's parents have had passes when she took sick?
And Decker also claims that he's never seen his child before.
So how can ANA be his daughter if she KNEW her parents???
She obviously was referring to her adoptive parents, not biological. Though it's doubtful she was ever aware of the difference.
shareSince the memories she implants into K's mind were supposed to be memories of ANA as a child at that awful orphanage ... (hiding the little wooden horse with the birthdate on the bottom of it in the furnace .... to keep the other bullies from getting it), that means she didn't have any adoptive parents. Otherwise she wouldn't have ended up in the orphanage where the kids were SLAVES.
So any way that you chose to look at the situation NOTHING adds up. Because she says her PARENTS placed her into the BUBBLE area, yet DECKARD doesn't know her, and tells K he's never seen her before. And RACHEL's supposed to have died in childbirth which means she wouldn't know her either.
And the REBEL LEADER claims to have wrapped her in blue, but obviously didn't otherwise give a damn about the child to have let her end up in that horrible orphanage where kids were abused by being made to work and make money for the guy who ran the place.
And IF Ana was with her parents like she says when she's placed in the BUBBLE, we also know Rachel would never have left her at that orphanage either.
Anyhow, since there's never any mention of any adoptive parents, there's no reason to assume that's what she refers to. And the man who ran the orphanage and made money off of the work that the kids did would also have no reason to adopt any of them out to anyone.
Another possibility is ANA has also been IMPLANTED with FALSE MEMORIES. And IF she's a HOLOGRAM (like JOI), that would also be easy enough to do.
Since holographic SINATRA was also inside of a BUBBLE in Vegas singing the song that K plays (after the end of his fight with DECARD where we see the HOLOGRAPHIC ELVIS and MARILYN MONROE), my guess is Ana is also another larger version of Sinatra.
Because the info K finds says there were TWINS, and the GIRL TWIN died:
They were both processed at
the Morrill Cole orphanage.
It says the girl died there.
Genetic disorder.
Galatians syndrome.
And the boy...
So Ana might also be a holographic replication of the DEAD TWIN, due to the way the SNOW doesn't STICK to her hand (the same way as the rain didn't stick to Joi's hand until after K buys the EMITTER for her and she's able to stand outside in the rain).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU0uSAi26-I
Blade Runner 2049 - Joi in the Rain 4K
And since Ana works for the guy who took over TYREL's Company, (who also creates another DUPLICATE copy of Rachel as well as copies of JOI), it would also be easy enough for him to create a holographic image of Ana. And that could also be a way to lure Deckard out of hiding if he's told Ana's his daughter (which is also why one hopes to see another BR sequel made ... even though 2049 apparently didn't make enough $$$ for that to happen).
Because Ana might be the HOLOGRAPHIC DECOY that Wallace uses to entrap DECKARD again (the same way as he tried to use the other copy of RACHEL that he created as a way to try to fool him).
I didn't mean adoptive parents that literally. I mean as in whoever served the role of ersatz guardians to her on behalf of Rachel and Dekard, people who were part of the plan to protect her. People like Sapper and Freysa. Hiding her in the orphanage was part of the plan.
shareHow does placing her in that horrible orphanage where the kids were ABUSED protect her???
Freysa obviously doesn't give a damn about Rachel's child. She only uses the story about the child as a way to get the other rebels to let her be their leader.
Freysa is after power, and she'll say or do anything as a way to get it and keep it. She's just another corrupted version of K's female boss at the LAPD. Remember how K's Boss interrupts and freezes up JOI in the rain scene so that she could try to seduce K herself???
Deckard's the only one who ever mentions the plan, and at the same time as he tells K about it in Vegas, he also claims not to know anything about it (other than the plan was for him to leave before it's born and not to have anything to do with the child as a way to protect it).
Hence the reason why Ana might be the HOLOGRAPHIC DECOY that Wallace would use in the NEXT SEQUEL of the story as a way to entrap DECKARD again (the same way as Wallace tried to use the other fake copy of RACHEL that he created in BR 2049 as a way to try to control him).
In other words, instead of BR 2049 ending with a happy reunion for Deckard with his daughter, it probably ends with Deckard falling into still another trap ... where Wallace is using a HOLOGRAPHIC copy of Ana as a DECOY ... (the same way as Wallace also created the other REPLICATED copy of Ana's mother Rachel ... in the other attempt to try to manipulate Deckard).
So the next Sequel of the story could begin with Wallace having captured Deckard again, and planning to transport him OFFWORLD again, to a place where he can dissect him as a way to try and figure out how he got Rachel pregnant.
But since it also looks like Ana captured K's MEMORIES as he lay there dying on the stairs, K could probably also be RESURRECTED again by placing his MEMORIES into another REPLICATED Body (the same way as Wallace placed Rachel's MEMORIES into the other REPLICATED body of Rachel that he created before LUV killed it ... after DECKARD rejected it by saying Rachel's eyes were GREEN (not Blue).
And JOI could probably also be RESURRECTED again as well, because you could probably also just use K's MEMORIES of JOI as a way to recreate her again.
PLUS Rachel's memories were also originally those of TYRELL's niece. Remember how she had those childhood photos of what she assumed were herself with her mother only to discover that they weren't real???
As DECKARD once said: We're talking about MEMORIES.
And all of those other photos of his family that Deckard had sitting on the PIANO in BR were probably also just as FAKE as the photos that Rachel had of what she thought were her family.
So the memories of Freya and Sapper (who are also REPLICANTS) could also be just as FAKE as Rachel's Memories (which were really those of TYRELL's niece).
Keep your thoughts and points concise, and stop bloating your posts with absurd meaningless speculation and your own personal head canon. All you do is spew a metric shit ton of nonsensical ravings in an attempt to do a sufficient amount of mental gymnastics to convince yourself you're correct.
>How does placing her in that horrible orphanage where the kids were ABUSED protect her???
It HIDES her from the VERY VERY BAD PEOPLE who were SEARCHING for her and would DISSECT and KILL her if THEY found HER.
"Keep your thoughts and points concise, and stop bloating your posts with absurd meaningless speculation and your own personal head canon. All you do is spew a metric shit ton of nonsensical ravings in an attempt to do a sufficient amount of mental gymnastics to convince yourself you're correct."
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Sorry, but you're NOT my MOTHER, nor my FATHER, or my BOSS either, and you have NO RIGHT whatsoever to try and insult me, or BOSS me around, by giving me orders to post messages in a way that pleases you and your "own personal head cannon" as you put it.
What's more, your speculation about Ana having adoptive parents is just as meaningless, meaning you've spewed just as much NONSENSE here as you accuse someone else of doing.
In other words, this is also basically a case PROJECTION where you accuse another person of having done what it is that you've done yourself, in your attempt at mental gymnasitcs as a way to convince yourself that you're correct about Ana.
https://www.gradesaver.com/blade-runner/study-guide/quotes/
"Implants. Those aren't your memories, they're somebody else's. They're Tyrell's niece's."
Rick Deckard, 00:33:22
The FACT is ALL of the REPLICANTS have IMPLANTED MEMORIES, which means NOTHING that any of them say is reliable.
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>How does placing her in that horrible orphanage where the kids were ABUSED protect her???
>>It HIDES her from the VERY VERY BAD PEOPLE who were SEARCHING for her and would DISSECT and KILL her if THEY found HER.
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And HIDING Ana in the orphanage didn't work, because either she DIED there (like the RECORDS that K and JOI found said she did), or else she was removed from there (due to the genetic disorder she had) and placed into the BUBBLE where she ends up working for WALLACE (the same guy who wants to DISSECT and KILL her).
Like was pointed out before (in the 2nd message posted back to you), anyway you chose to look at the SITUATION at hand, NOTHING ADDS UP or makes any sense:
"any way that you chose to look at the situation NOTHING adds up"
> What's more, your speculation about Ana having adoptive parents is just as meaningless,
> meaning you've spewed just as much NONSENSE here as you accuse someone else of
> doing.
That's not speculation, moron. The story itself states outright that Rachel died and Dekard went into hiding/seclusion, and that Freja and Sapper and apparently others were all part of the plan to protect Rachel and Dekard's child and prevent them from being found.
"But but but but MAYBE Freya and Sapper's MEMORIES were ALL fake TOO!!!"
Sure, maybe. Maybe every single character in the entire movie is actually a replicant with fake memories. It's possible. You can't prove otherwise, nobody can. But it doesn't matter, because it's just pointless vapid empty speculation with absolutely zero basis in the facts and information the story provides to us. Exactly like the bullshit speculation you engage in.
Uh oh, here comes the next 2000 words of meaningless garbage...
>The story itself states outright that Rachel died and Dekard went into hiding/seclusion, and that Freja and Sapper and apparently others were all part of the plan to protect Rachel and Dekard's child and prevent them from being found.
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Deckard is the only one who mentions the plan. And all he says is the plan was for him to LEAVE before the child was born (meaning DECKARD doesn't know what happened to the child after it's born or what others did or did not do to protect it).
K: What happened to the kid?
Who put it in the orphanage?
Was it you?
Deckard: I was long gone, by then.
You didn't even meet your own kid?
Why?
Because that was the plan.
I showed them how to
scramble the records,
cover their tracks.
Everyone had a part.
Mine was to leave.
Then the Blackout came,
baked over everything.
Couldn't have found the child,
if I tried.
Did you want to?
- Not really.
- Why not?
Because we were being hunted!
I didn't want our child found.
Taken apart. Dissected!
Sometimes, to love someone...
you gotta be a stranger.
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>it's just pointless vapid empty speculation with absolutely zero basis in the facts
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*The FACT is RACHEL was IMPLANTED with the MEMORIES of TYRELL'S NIECE.
*The FACT is ANA (who is suppose to be Rachel's child ... even though the RECORDS K found state that she died at the orphanage), IMPLANTED her MEMORIES (of hiding the little wooden horse at the orphanage) into the MIND of K.
*The FACT is another RACHEL was RESSURECTED again by WALLACE and had the MEMORIES of the other RACHEL (which were really the MEMORIES of Tyrell's NIECE) IMPLANTED into her.
*The FACT is FREYA said ALL of the REPLICANTS in her REBEL SQUAD had the SAME IDEA as K did (also thinking that they were RACHEL's child ... meaning ANA most likely also IMPLANTED the same MEMORIES into their minds as she PLANTED into K's mind).
Freya to K: You imagined it was you?
Oh.
You did.
You did.
We all wish it was us.
*The FACT is ANA also said that it was NOT LEGAL to IMPLANT the REAL MEMORIES of someone into the minds of the REPLICANTS.
K: do you ever use ones (Memories)
that are real?
ANA: It's illegal to use real memories, Officer.
So did ANA break the law???
Or if she's NOT REAL, then perhaps she did NOT BREAK IT by PLANTING her own MEMORIES into the mind of K and others???
And Surely her BOSS WALLACE (who wants to find ANA so that he can DISSECT her) would also have NOTICED IT if she were BREAKING HIS LAW not to place the REAL MEMORIES of others into the MINDS of the REPLICANTS???
Like I said before, anyway that you chose to look at the SITUATION, things just DO NOT ADD UP or make much sense.
And that's basically due to the REPLICANTS walking around with FAKE MEMORIES that have been IMPLANTED into them (by ANA).
Memories, you're talking about memories...