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Most hatable of the 12 people beside Bryce? Least?


Bryce the rapist is the worst, but who else?

Most: Courtney, just a terrible person. Willing to protect a rapist and even convince his victim that it never happened. No sympathy at all for her.

Least: Ryan's point that he published her poem and openly wondering why he has to protect a rapist was great dark humor. And absolutely right. Not to minimize his betrayal of Hannah's confidence, but there are far worst things out there.

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Marcus, because that guy acts like a weasel.

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Jessica - she wanted to be popular so bad.

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Sympathetic:
Alex - seemed the most conflicted and guilt-ridden.
Jessica - bitchy but really screwed up by her trauma / denial over her trauma.
Tyler - a creepy peeping tom but he's bullied and treated cruelly through the whole show.
Sheri - tries to atone for her bad decision. The nicest one overall.

In the middle:
Ryan - smarmy and acts in his own self-interest.
Justin - seems genuinely remorseful about Jessica near the end.
Zach

Not sympathetic:
Bryce, obviously.
Marcus - just a creep, never seemed sorry.
Courtney - ugh, a cowardly, selfish backstabber.

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I think you're right about Sherri. I think Ryan is still least hatable, but still hatable. Sherri I would classify as simply sympathetic because she did own up to her own mistake.

Zach is in the middle ground. I feel that Zach was partially genuine in trying to be nice to Hannah, that the ulterior motive wasn't sex in the way it was for Marcus. But he was also motivated by his entitlement, that he was nice, she should be nice back to him.

Thanks to Courtney's awfulness, I almost forgot about Marcus. Another loathsome being.

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I do not believe Zach response was through entitlement, but I really think she hurt his feeling and made assumptions about him. He was right that Hannah brought on some of her misery.

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I am only up to the episode where Zach tries to be nice to her in the diner, but ends up cursing her out. If thats all he did I dont think it was that bad of a thing he did to warrant his car getting scratched up by Clay.

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True. Hannah was not completely innocent in all of this; however after everything that had previously happened, I would have responded the same way to Zach, I mean not flying off at him but merely giving him the brush off. She had already given a few of his a**hole friends the time of day, and they had all been jerks to her. He hangs out with them, so whose to say that he's just not trying to do the same thing (pretend to be a nice guy so he could get in her pants)?

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That is what the issue is, the way she reacted. She put him in a unwarranted and embarrassing situation. That is actually a big issue of hers that pushed the people that would have helped her away. She felt people could read her mind and when she would perceive something as an insult, she would push the bewildered person away without explanation. She was too apt at feeling sorry for herself.

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If you take away the education that they all received, in terms of intrinsic kindness, I think Tony, Clay, Alex, Jeff and Justin should all have been best friends, as they genuinely care about others, some despite overpowering parents.

Out of all the boys, I think Clay, Tony, Jeff and Justin had the more masculine personality, able to show self-confidence, commitment, trust and courage in relationships, while Alex was more feminine (Alex's personality I think was gender fluid and probably not masculine enough for Jessica).

It helped that the actors were all fantastic at portraying their complex psychological structure.

Strangely, I sympathize with them more than with Tyler, Marcus, Ryan or Zach - I think they are insensitive and only caring about themselves.

As far as girls go, Sheri was the kindest, Jessica was egoistic, attention-seeking and uncaring (even before she got raped) and Courtney was most insensitive, though I think it is probably due to the acting performance - he plea was not so well acted and it made her look like her fear was not genuine but more of a convenience.

Again, that's factoring out the education they received, that's my perception of their soul and the people I would personally feel drawn towards.

Justin would be the boyfriend I would try to fix and take care of while Clay/Tony would be the boyfriends I wish I could have - they are not damaged and the best able to give love to others.

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Gender fluid?

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Courtney was just horrible, of course her actions were not as bad as Bryce's, but for me, she was easily the worst to watch. Hannah was nothing but supportive of Courtney, yet Courtney didn't think twice about throwing Hannah under the bus just to protect her goody two shoes appearance. She seemed to have no remorse about it whatsoever.

No one mentioned Mr. Porter, maybe he didn't harm Hannah directly by his actions, but as a school counselor, he failed on so many levels. Hannah told him "I need everything to stop, people, life", how could that not raise a red flag in him? So you have this potentially suicidal girl, a rape victim and you tell her to move on with her life, what a joke. I believe he was legally required to contact her parents, but he didn't give a s#&^ about her.

Least: Sheri, Alex, Zach (I think he was genuinely trying to be nice to her, but she was already hurt and mistrustful of anyone's intentions. I'm not defending his actions afterwards, but I feel like Hannah totally overreacted and humiliated him in front of the entire school).

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Besides Bryce...
Hmmm... I would have to say either Courtney, Jessica or Marcus. I can't decide between the three of them. Maybe my feelings toward this have something to do with the fact that it's been awhile since I was in school; however I just can't comprehend how 95% of the people on those tapes have zero remorse for the fact that a girl killed herself and they played a part leading up to it. I mean how does your conscience not bother you at least a little bit??
The only people besides Clay who seem to feel sadness for Hannah's death are Alex, Tyler and Zach. Every one else is treating her death like some big inconvenience they have to deal with because God forbid anyone find out they're gay (Courtney) or that they're not the All American person they pretend to be (Marcus). Jessica pissed me off, because she was her friend until she ditched her to be popular. I mean your're not upset that your one-time friend that you turned your back on died??
Justin was terrible through most of it; however he did show genuine concern and remorse over what happened to Jessica. None for Hannah though.

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Most: Hannah's rape fetus. If Bryce impregnated her (and I think he did), their spawn would be very annoying. It would have inherited Hannah's whiny, victim persona with Bryce's love of rape.

Least: Tony's dad

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My ranking from best to worst people from the tapes:
1. Clay - Hannah didn't know about his feelings, but he needed to hear her story anyway. I mean how he could read her thoughts and what she wants.
2. Shelly - I really feel for this girl. She made one a big mistske and was afraid.
3. Alex - I think he finally realized how Hannah really felt.
4. Jessica - She was a bit bitch, but she sucked with herself and needed a friend.
5. Zach - He obviously deserved to be on tape for some reasons, but I understand him that he tried to help her.
6. Ryan - Just wrong thing he did and should't have happened.
7. Kevin - Why he does even have a job?
8. Tyler - I understand him why he sent that picture because Hannah refused him to hang out with him. She did in a right way, why she would? He's a creepy stalker anyway.
9. Justin - Who needs a boyfriend like him?
10. Courtney - Coward bitch, but I understand that she was afraid but in many wrong ways.
11. Marcus - Forgettable character. But if I could kill anyone, he would be on my list. He also never felt sorry for Hannah.
12. Bryce - Obvious serial rapist.

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Who is shelly, kevin and why would you kill Marcus but not Bryvce, justin or likely soon to be murderer Tyler?

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Sheri* Kevin is that black man from last tape.

Bryce needs in prison for many years. Justin's life is fucked up, but I hope he will change someday.

I don't think Tyler is a murderer, Alex probably bought his gun to shoot himself. But we'll see in Season 2 yet.

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Tyler- Not yet, but he didn't buy those guns because because he has a gun hobby. So unless his plan is foiled or her is caught before the act, he will likely be a murderer. Though i would not feel too bad for some of his potential victims.

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Why Tyler would kill him, not other many worse people than him? Alex for moment was nice to him. I think Alex killed himsef, and that's definitely because he cleared his room like the way Hannah did. And he had problem with his stomach from probably stress or depression. I don't think he's completely dead, but we'll see.

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I don't understand what you are suggesting? I was wasn't implying Tyler has shot anyone yet as I don't believe he intends to shoot alex.

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