Lets look at the American atrocities on Japan

If the US hadn't dropped the bombs on Japan, they would have attempted to invade instead and not only would the war have been dragged out another 1-2 years,
millions of people would have died.

I'm not defending dropping bombs on civilians. But 80.000 dead is better then
hundreds of thousands, or millions.


Please don't take this in anyway shape of form that i and pro-US...

I dispise the US and consider them warmongerers.

Well, the Japs started the war. If not for the nukes, many US servicemen would have died, maybe my uncles. *beep* the collateral damage.

At the time, they deserved it and more.

One Australian death = 100,000 Japanese.

No a-hole, let's look at the fact that thousands or even millions more would've died if the war would've been allowed to continue. Go look it up. The Japanese would've NEVER surrendered; they were prepared to fight to the last man/woman. The war would've lasted at least two more years and thousands more Japanese and Americans would've died and Japan would've been annihilated to the point of being unrecognizable today. You're either a piece of Euroscum or one of the biggest anti-American POS living. By opposing the ending of this war you are saying you're okay with thousands more Americans dying in that cesspool of a war. And by the way, the Japanese committed enough atrocities during the war to make up for 10 atom bombs. Where do you cockroaches come from anyway? Go back in your hole.

You have those backwards you know right? It's not like the US bombed a country they weren't at war with. Hiroshima and Nagasaki could have never happened or been 2 other cities in a different country if Japan doesn't attack Pearl Harbor.

War is *beep* War, if the Japs had the tech for nukes then they would have used them. And don't pretend like they wouldn't have.

And? You must not know what war means...

1. It appears that for any film set in the Pacific War, there has to be a thread on US "atrocities" on Japan. The present thread, however, tops the list in stupidity in comparing the casualties at Pearl Harbor to those caused by the two atomic bombs. Perhaps the OP was not even aware that by the time of Pearl Harbor, Japan had already taken over the most productive parts of China and would soon conquer most of Southeast Asia. Has the OP read anything about the "atrocities" committed by the Japanese in all those countries?

The loss of lives from the atomic bombs was of course deplorable. But at that time, the longer term effects of contamination and radiation on the population - including the future generation - were not really known. The atomic bomb was regarded as just another bomb, just more effective (meaning destructive).

Another myth was that the Japanese were actively looking for peace at the time, but the US "insisted" on dropping the bomb to teach them a lesson. Aside from the fact that Japanese soldiers were fanatical (shown for example by the kamikaze attacks), such arguments are nonsensical if you look at the facts.

2. By 1945, the War was completely lost for Japan, but the argument that Japan was willing to negotiate reasonable terms of surrender was not supported by facts. It was true that the Suzuki cabinet that replaced Tojo was indeed inclined towards peace and it also knew that peace was what the Emperor wanted, but the military (especially the Army) was definitely against it and so in public broadcasts, the cabinet had to continue to put up a brave front. In truth, even after the dropping of the second bomb at Nagasaki, the Imperial Conference of Japan still insisted on guarantees not only of the Emperor remaining in Tokyo (he did after the surrender), but also no military occupation of Japan, no disarming of Japanese troops overseas, no trials of war criminals except by Japanese courts, etc. Who in his right mind would regard the terms as "reasonable" or realistic? As just one example, do you seriously believe that the Allies would let "Japanese troops overseas" (by definition those stationed in countries and areas where Japan had obtained her ill-begotten territorial gains) to continue to bear arms?! Admiral Toyoda (the Naval Chief of Staff), General Umezu (the Army Chief of Staff) and General Anami (the War Minister), all urged the Emperor to fight one "last battle" to save "national honor". The Emperor, however, understood that this would have led to Japan's total destruction and made use of the respect he commanded among the Japanese to carry his wish through. It was still a close call. On the night before the surrender broadcast, there was a military plot to seize the Emperor and attempts to assassinate Suzuki and the other cabinet members. All these events are well described in any book you care to read that covers the last few days of war for Japan.

3. The bombs avoided the inevitable terrible casualties in the event of an invasion of the Japanese homeland. It is also true that by 1944 if not earlier, Japan never had the smallest chance of winning the War. But by the time of surrender, Japan still had one million men under arms in the home islands. There were still over 5,000 kamikaze planes and another 5,000 conventional bombers and fighters. Later, the occupation forces discovered stores of ammunitions and supplies all over the country. There could indeed be horrific casualties on both sides had the War continued in September 1945.

4. You should also be aware of the large Japanese forces that were overseas at the time of surrender. At that time, they still held vast areas in Asia - the Dutch East Indies, British Malaya, and most of the economically productive regions in China, to name just a few. They probably could have done little to help defend the Japanese homeland. But unlike the islands bypassed by "leapfrogging", they could not be left to wither on their own but had to be dislodged (again with huge costs of human lives on both sides) as long as the War continued. As it was, these overseas troops simply surrendered with the rest of the Japanese forces.

5. The dropping of the bombs also served as a warning to the Russians. The Soviet Union did not declare war on Japan until August 8, 1945 - two days after the dropping of the bomb on Hiroshima (and one day before the dropping of the second bomb on Nagasaki). With the defeat of Germany, Soviet supremacy in Europe was beyond doubt, and there was great uncertainty regarding her intentions and designs in Asia. In fact, Japan had hoped that the Soviet Union would act as the mediator or even intervene on her behalf, and that certainly was one factor that influenced her decision to continue the fight. The US had to end the War quickly. The dropping of the bombs did just that.

*beep* for brains